Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

The lawsuit filed by 12 voters out in State of Washington will go to a full court hearing of their State Supreme Court on January 8th. Their case argues "natural born" as its lead issue, but it also throws the kitchen sink into the pleadings with demands for original birth certificate and all passports or immigration paperwork that might show what citizenship status existed in the past. Or now.

It won't be decided in time to halt the electoral college and I'm not sure what it will do as far as Congress meeting to count the EC ballots.

FreedomFirst,

Do you have a case name/number for the Washington case?

The stay request in the Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz case has been denied without official comment. However, this time we were tossed a carrot. A clerk, who must remain anonymous according to my local news, has stated that a candidates qualifications can not be challenged until after the electoral college has cast its vote. Hmmmmm I wonder if this is why the stays are being denied but non of the cases, except for Donofrio who actually withdrew his to help support Wrotnowski, have been tossed out.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

As expected, SCOTUS has denied the Wrotnowski petition.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/co ... 508zor.pdf

08A469
WROTNOWSKI, CORT V. BYSIEWICZ, CT SEC. OF STATE
The application for stay and/or injunction addressed
to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court is denied.

The "CERTIORARI DENIED" list does not include the Wrotnowski case.
Only the application for stay of the Electoral College vote is denied.

Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz is still pending for cert.

Here is what the judge in one of the lower courts said. I bet this has a lot to do with why they are denying the stays but not the cases themselves.

[quote]
Judge Alsup wrote, “Mechanisms exist under the Twelfth Amendment and 3 U.S.C. 15 for any challenge to any candidate to be ventilated when electoral votes are counted, and the Twentieth Amendment provides guidance regarding how to proceed if a president elect shall have failed to qualify. Issues regarding qualifications or lack thereof can be laid before the voting public before the election and, once the election is over, can be raised as objections as the electoral votes are counted in Congress. Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review � if any � should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course.â€

Denial of the stay invokes the alternative request for a writ of certiorari, mandamus, and/or prohibition.

Originally Posted by Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz

REQUEST THAT APPLICATION BE TREATED AS PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI AND/OR MANDAMUS AND /OR PROHIBITION

Because the Electoral College is set to meet in three weeks, Applicant

respectfully submits there is no time for a more formal approach to the

issues listed herein. In Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 at 98 (2000), this

Honorable Court accepted an emergency stay application as a full petition:

"Governor Bush and Richard Cheney, Republican Candidates for the Presidency and Vice Presidency, filed an emergency application for a stay of this mandate. On December 9, we granted the application, treated the application as a petition for a writ of certiorari, and granted certiorari."

In Purcell v. Gonzales, 127 S. Ct. 5 (2006), this Honorable Court construed

an application for a stay as a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari, and then granted

Certiorari in an election dispute - two weeks before election day - regarding

alleged unconstitutional voter registration conditions. Applicant respectfully

submits this application be treated the same.

[quote="cayla99"]Here is what the judge in one of the lower courts said. I bet this has a lot to do with why they are denying the stays but not the cases themselves.

[quote]
Judge Alsup wrote, “Mechanisms exist under the Twelfth Amendment and 3 U.S.C. 15 for any challenge to any candidate to be ventilated when electoral votes are counted, and the Twentieth Amendment provides guidance regarding how to proceed if a president elect shall have failed to qualify. Issues regarding qualifications or lack thereof can be laid before the voting public before the election and, once the election is over, can be raised as objections as the electoral votes are counted in Congress. Therefore, this order holds that the challenge presented by plaintiff is committed under the Constitution to the electors and the legislative branch, at least in the first instance. Judicial review � if any � should occur only after the electoral and Congressional processes have run their course.â€

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

FreedomFirst,

Do you have a case name/number for the Washington case?

You should be able to track down more from lawyer & Press release links below.

http://stephenpidgeon.com/

http://decalogosintl.org/?p=65

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148287/posts

I don't have a clear sense of what solution that Washington case is going to achieve.

Presidential Electors Confirm Obama as Next President

Presidential electors met in state capitals around the United States on Monday to confirm last month’s presidential election results that will make Barack Obama the 44th U.S. president on January 20.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-15-voa47.cfm

This story is not ended yet, as there will be additional congressional reviews and probably additional judicial reviews.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Presidential Electors Confirm Obama as Next President

Presidential electors met in state capitals around the United States on Monday to confirm last month’s presidential election results that will make Barack Obama the 44th U.S. president on January 20.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-15-voa47.cfm

This story is not ended yet, as there will be additional congressional reviews and probably additional judicial reviews.

Exactly..........it's not over til it's over. And even then, all is not always as it seems.

Keep heart Patriots!!!