Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

IF proof ever does surface, we will all be long gone. Too many people now have too much riding on this

Originally Posted by cayla99

IF proof ever does surface, we will all be long gone.
Too many people now have too much riding on this.

Cayla99, stay the course. They have a measure of power, for a limited time only, but you are on the side of the truth. We have the facts on our side. Even the Obots are backing off from disputing evidence and are concentrating on talking trash.

I won't be so arrogant as to say, "We are on the Lord's side," but you surely see that the usurpation is in league with the devil, serving the cause of the NWO and Dar al-Is|am, and lying all the way. They are losers, trading their eternity for a brief time of Satanic domination.

They cannot stand sunshine, truth, and the facts. They are going to lose - they know it, we know it, even the majority of silent Christians and conservatives are sufficiently awake that they know it. Meanwhile, we are spoiling their hour of unlawful authority by continuing to expose their wickednesses to anyone who cares to notice. (If you are awake some night at 4 or 5 am, log on here and see how many guests are reading the ALIPAC Obama ineligibility thread.)

Talk about "Resistance is futile." Resisting the Lord and resisting truth are the ultimate exercises in futility. ". . . then take note, you have sinned against the Lord; and be sure your sin will find you out." - Num 32:23b,c

The Provenance of Barack Obama with Dr. Jerome Corsi

Here is a warning to those who choose to do nothing to remove an unlawful usurper
from the office he occupies illegally, anticipating that he will surely be voted out of office.


Gov. Romney is up by 1% this week, after being down by 2.5% a week before.
Anyone who thinks crooked poll managers cannot manufacture enough ballots to
overcome a 2.5% shortfall in a few key swing states has all too quickly forgotten
Sen. Al Franken (D-MN).

There is only one word to describe anyone who would trade a 100% certainty of
criminal election fraud and identity theft for a fluctuating 1% margin of voters.

Hawaii’s Non-Verification [of AZ Sec. of State's request - Butterdezillion's analysis]

In response to large volume of communications requesting that, in light of Sheriff Arpaio’s findings of probable cause for forgery and fraud involving Barack Obama’s posted long-form birth certificate and draft registration, Obama’s Presidential eligibility be investigated, Ken Bennett, the Arizona Secretary of State, requested a verification of Obama’s birth facts from the Hawaii Dept of Health. According to the communications posted at
How Hawaii Stiffed Arizona Secretary Of State Ken Bennett’s Birther Investigation | TPMMuckraker ,
this is the content of Bennett’s original request (bold numbers added to show the 3 kinds of verification originally requested, in the order in which I will address them):

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to (1) the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify (2) the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641
Time of birth: 7:24 p.m.
Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Age of father: 25
Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa
Age of mother: 18
Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas
Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961
Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961
Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify (3) that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

After 8 weeks of delay and insisting that Bennett had not yet proven that he was eligible to receive a verification, the Hawaii Attorney General’s office spoke with Bennett and said that if Bennett “re-worded” his request they would consider responding to it. Shortly thereafter the following “verification” at the end of this article was issued
(found at http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf ). Bennett was quoted as saying that he received what he had asked for. So if we look at the difference between what he originally requested and what he received, we will know what he was required to change.

#1: The actual request form printed from the web was specifically withdrawn.

In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form,
please verify the following items from the record of birth

In addition to this communication, Bennett copied a request form off the HDOH, filled it out, and sent it. The form to request a verification in lieu of a certified copy is the same form as to request a certified copy. The items on that form can be seen at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf and include the date of birth, which is essential to Presidential eligibility.

Why was that specifically left out – apparently at the demand of the HI Attorney General’s office?

The key, I believe, is this: The original request for items other than on the form said, “please verify the following items from the record of birth”. This is a request to verify that those items are on the record of birth – NOT that those items are accurate.

Without that statement – for instance, if the form was just filled out, HRS 338-14.3
(found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0014_0003.htm ) says that:

(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.

In other words, unless stated otherwise, the HDOH in a verification is actually certifying that the applicant’s claims on the birth certificate are true. But that is problematic for the HDOH when the birth record in question is late and/or amended, because HRS 338-17
(found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur..._0338-0017.htm ) says:

§338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a "late" or "altered" certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4]

The State of Hawaii does not vouch for the accuracy of the claims on a late or amended birth certificate. That’s why they have to be clearly marked as “LATE” or “ALTERED”. And the computer-generated abstracts (COLB’s) have a statement at the bottom: ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE. Late and altered birth certificates are legally non-valid. The State of Hawaii CANNOT verify the truth of the facts on a legally non-valid birth certificate. The Hawaii Attorney General’s office would know that, and they would thus require that the request form itself be withdrawn.

But the way Bennett phrased his original non-form request indicates that he wants the HDOH to verify that those items are what is on the birth certificate – which is a different thing than verifying what the true, legally probative facts are. And that is what the HDOH does. In his certifying statement Onaka says:

I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.

He is certifying that the “verification” is based solely on the information contained in the vital record. Which is all Bennett asked for on the NON-FORM request. He only wanted to verify that these are the claims that were on the birth certificate.

And nowhere does either Bennett or this “verification” specify that the vital record in question be legally valid. If the form had been used, the facts would have to be verified by a legally-valid record. But the AG got rid of the requests on the form – even the birth date, which is critical to Presidential eligibility. The only way the birthdate even comes into the picture is by Onaka saying that the information on Obama’s posted long-form matches what is on what they have – without saying whether the record they have is legally valid.

#2: “the following items from the record of birth” were allowed to be requested

This was the only part of the original request that the HI Attorney General allowed to remain as it was, and the 12 points were verified verbatim – simply verifying that this is what the document claims, as explained above. Which is all the HDOH CAN verify for a legally non-valid record. They can verify that the record exists and that it makes these specific claims. And that’s what items 1-12 verify – and the certifying statement confirms that these are simply the claims as contained in the (legally non-valid. SSSSHHHH) record.

#3: The request for verification of Obama’s online BC as a “true and accurate representation of the record” was withdrawn.

["]Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.["]

But the corresponding response on the “verification” is this:



The Hawaii Attorney General apparently told Ken Bennett not to ask for a verification that the birth certificate that Obama posted online is a true and accurate representation of the original record in the HDOH files. Onaka instead verified that the INFORMATION IN THAT COPY matches the original record in their files. IOW, Onaka is SPECIFICALLY NOT SAYING that what Obama posted accurately represents the actual birth certificate. They are refusing to verify that what Obama posted is a copy of the original. They are specifically making no comment on whether Obama posted what they sent him.

Probably because they know it was a forgery. Sheriff Arpaio’s posse uncovered ample evidence of that. Videos about that can be accessed at Tea Party Power Hour . Another video that make the blatancy of the forgery clear: Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers ) - YouTube .

So if the information on the copy HI sent Obama was the same as what was on the forgery, then why make a forgery at all? Why did they have to manipulate the document to get a photo (with a very faint, nondescript seal, which is one of the red flags for a forgery) – as can be seen at NBC's Savannah Guthrie Unintentionally Proves Obama Birth Certificate Tampered With - YouTube ) ? If the information is the same, then what is different?

Onaka’s certification on that forgery gives the answer (emphasis mine):

“I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health.”

There is good reason to believe that Obama’s actual birth record is a compilation from different sources:

1. Previous official responses by the HDOH have indirectly confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate was amended around late-2006
(see Amendment Confirmation for Dummies « Butterdezillion's Blog ), and official responses by former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama indicated that there are affidavits to support the claims on his birth certificate, which would only be necessary for late and/or amended birth certificates.

2. Former HDOH Director Chiyome Fukino has said that Obama’s birth certificate is “half typed, half written”, which would make sense for an incomplete typed birth certificate with supplemental affidavits to supply the information that was missing.

3. Fukino also said in a July 2009 press release that she had seen the vital records (plural) verifying (swearing) that Obama was born in Hawaii.

4. HI Governor Neil Abercrombie was quoted in a Star Advertiser column as saying there was something about Obama’s birth “actually written down”
(see 'This is a collaborative endeavor' - Hawaii Editorials - Honolulu Star-Advertiser ), but according to Mike Evans as recorded on radio interviews, Abercrombie said he was not able to find a birth certificate for Obama, not able to find a record of Obama’s birth at any Hawaii hospital in spite of searching with a search warrant – and Abercrombie said he never even saw Obama in Hawaii until he was T-ball age.
(see Evans: Abercrombie Hospital Search Warrant « Butterdezillion's Blog
and Evans: Abercrombie Says No Proof of HI Birth « Butterdezillion's Blog .)

5. The HDOH has apparently altered the BC#’s for both Stig Waidelich and Virginia Sunahara, according to HDOH spokesperson Janice Okubo’s official responses saying that Oahu BC#’s were almost always given by the HDOH on the “date filed”. The particular combination of a BC# being higher than BC’s filed 3 days later is a very peculiar “fingerprint” that doesn’t fit a normal hospital birth like either Obama’s or Stig Waidelich, but does fit the extremely rare circumstances for Virginia Sunahara. And the database record for Virginia Sunahara had been changed to a different name at one point because a query for her birth record came up with no records. So the HDOH has been manipulating BC#’s on certified copies of COLB’s and has apparently temporarily changed Virginia Sunahara’s record. None of that would be necessary if Obama had a valid 1961 BC#.
(See Why Barack Obama listed his birthplace as Kenya ,
Arizona elections chief seeks proof of Obama's citizenship ,
and Why Barack Obama listed his birthplace as Kenya .)

If Obama’s birth record was a combination of a birth certificate form that was initially filed by a local registrar (on the report of Obama’s grandmother, for instance) but was left incomplete and thus had to be amended in 2006 to add the missing information, it would explain everything we see. The birth certificate would be required to have “LATE” and “ALTERED” stamped on the front of it, and a note would have to be made on the bottom line, recording what amendment was made, when, and what supporting documentation is in the supplementary file.

This would explain why Obama couldn’t just post what the HDOH gave him, including the seal. The seal is positioned right where the affidavits supporting a late filing or amendment would be listed.


SUMMARY: So what we’ve got here is Onaka certifying that the claims on Obama’s long-form match what they’ve got on the record in their office. But the Attorney General required Bennett to remove every part of his request that would have required Onaka to verify what’s actually TRUE according to Hawaii’s legal evidentiary standards. That’s because Onaka can’t legally verify the truth of anything claimed on a late, amended birth certificate like Obama’s.

Aside from supporting the theory that Obama’s record is late and amended, this “verification” is worthless, except to show

1. that the HDOH at that particular moment had 151-61-10641 as Obama’s file # (but that could be on his electronic file, which they can change back and forth whenever they want to, as demonstrated by the Virginia Sunahara situation), AND
2. that the HDOH took special care to NOT SAY Obama’s posted long-form is a genuine copy.

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpre...fication-1.pdf

HEADS UP: DHS KEYWORDS THAT TRIGGER INTERNET SURVEILLANCE
(from an FOIA request to DHS)




Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?

Southwest, El Paso, San Diego, Yuma, Tucson,
Nogales, Reynosa, Ciudad Juarez, and Tijuana,
but not Laredo or Neuvo Laredo?

Scammers, spammers, hacker, and phishing?

Malware, virus, Trojan, and rootkit?

Emergency, hurricane, tornado, flood, storm, ice, snow?

Social media, but not texting?

I feel so much more secure knowing that DHS
can't spell "lightning" in an official watch list.

The Republicans certainly seem inept when fielding candidates don't they? I'm guessing that the Obama administration will do something to goose the job market, or at least the job numbers, towards the end of summer. He'll have to do something remarkable, as we remember his last campaign: all that rhetoric in sympathy of the middle class, then he got elected and was off on all these tangents that didn't do regular people any good. It was like he'd dumped the people who elected him. I don't think everyone has forgotten that. Not that I'm thrilled about having a Mormon bishop in the white house. I used to be Mormon, and I know how they are, too.

Welcome back, Betsy Ross. Long time...

Republicans seem inept, but the problem may be divided loyalties. Limiting the candidate pool to those who can be trusted to do the bidding of the Bilderberger-Banksters/Council on Foreign Relations/Trilateral Commission/New World Order rules out most (or all) of the good people that otherwise would win elections.

Of course, the Democratic Party and Democratic Socialists have the same problem.

A Gallup poll (released today) of veterans gave expected results.

U.S. veterans, about 13% of the adult population and consisting mostly of older men [Older than whom? Those too young to vote?], support Mitt Romney over Barack Obama for president by 58% to 34%, while nonveterans give Obama a four-percentage-point edge.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154904/Veterans-Give-Romney-Big-Lead-Obama.aspx

Aaron Klein, author of The Manchurian President, hosts “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on New York’s WABC Radio. On Sunday, May 27th, Sheriff Joe Arpaio was on the talk show by telephone (1-800-848-WABC).

Aaron Klein: "Sheriff, what is your response to the Arizona Secretary of State saying that this letter now certifies indeed that Obama meets the requirements and will get on the state ballot?"

Sheriff Joe Arpaio: "That doesn't impress me. Why doesn't he ask for the birth certificate, the microfilm - look at the original to see if it exists?"

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/arpaio-no...a-birth-story/

WND EXCLUSIVE

Posse in Hawaii: 'Shocking' news coming

Investigator says state's letter on Obama's birth 'opened door' to new revelations

Published: 35 mins agoby Drew Zahn



A letter from Hawaii’s Department of Health verifying Barack Obama’s birth in Honolulu has not only not stopped Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse work on the island, his lead investigator reports it has actually “opened the door” to some “shocking revelations” the posse is promising to disclose.

Among the details leaked early by Cold Case Posse lead investigator Mike Zullo: There are allegedly several stamps bearing Registrar Alvin Onaka’s name “floating around” inside the Hawaii Department of Health.


Zullo was interviewed via telephone from Hawaii by Tea Party Power Hour host Mark Gillar to discuss, among other things, a letter stamped with Onaka’s name and sent to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett as verification of Obama’s Hawaiian birth.

But Zullo – who met with Hawaii Department of Health officials in Honolulu the day before the letter to Bennett was issued – said the verification did deter the investigation briefly, but “actually, what looked like it was going to be almost like a deal killer, in a sense opened the door up to a greater avenue of investigational material.

“There is a lot that has been uncovered as a result of it,” he said.

“I can’t disclose to you what we’ve discovered, but it’s going to be a shocking revelation at our press conference,” Zullo promised.

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Zullo affirmed the posse’s intention to release their findings publicly within the next few weeks.

Zullo also affirmed that the investigators have reservations about the verification letter that was sent to Bennett, particularly as it fails to list Obama’s birth date and as it’s merely stamped with the registrar’s name, while another set of initials – not Registrar Alvin Onaka’s – appears next to the signature.

“Either they are so inept in taking care of vital statistics here, or this cover-up is bigger than anyone could have imagined,” Zullo told Gillar. “When you have the individual who is solely responsible and has the authority to validate any document of this sort and he doesn’t, that’s a problem. … And we do understand that there are a number of these stamps floating around inside the Department of Health.”

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“From what you’re telling me,” Gillar said, “it sounds like the next press conference is going to be even more amazing than the last press conference back on March 1st.”
“It will be,” Zullo responded. “The information … is going to be breathtaking when it’s released.”

Video of the interview can be seen below:



Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.

Posse in Hawaii: ‘Shocking’ news coming

WND EXCLUSIVE

Where's the lawman to run Obama out of town?

Lord Monckton tells Americans: It's time to get behind this approach

Published: 1 hour ago
by Drew Zahn



Lord Christopher Monckton at Tombstone's 'Wyatt Earp Days'

On the dusty streets of Tombstone, Ariz., on a weekend the city devotes to legendary western lawman Wyatt Earp, a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher told Americans it’s time to put their faith in another man who wears the star, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

The U.K.’s Lord Christopher Monckton, known internationally for his climate-change skepticism, those still skeptical about Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president to put their money where their mouth is and back Arpaio’s ongoing Cold Case Posse investigation into the current occupant of the Oval Office.

“My particular purpose in coming to Tombstone today is to ask you … to contribute as generously as you can to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse,” Monckton told Tom Ballantyne, author of “Oh Really, O’Reilly!” and cameraman Gabe Zolna. “They need help to pay for further investigations. They don’t want to charge this one to taxpayers. The Cold Case Posse is funded entirely by people like you who would like to reach the truth on this question and are willing to help the sheriff.”

Only three months ago, Lord Monckton had never really looked into the issue of Obama’s eligibility and had never even heard of Arizona’s Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

But then he watched Arpaio’s press conference announcing the Cold Case Posse’s investigation had found probable cause to believe the White House presented forged documents as proof of Obama’s birthplace and citizenship.

And then he met Arpaio in person.

Now Monckton believes the Arizona sheriff may be the best shot Americans have of rounding up the truth about Obama.

Sign the petition now to show members of Congress how many Americans demand constitutional integrity.


Sheriff Joe Arpaio

“This is not a man to be dismissed lightly,” Monckton said of Arpaio, “and when I met him, I found him to be very thoughtful, very cautious, very meticulous, very careful and above all, very non-political.”

Monckton explained, “Many people of a certain political faction will try to make out that this is a purely political investigation or a [racist] investigation, and there is nobody less [racist] than this sheriff that could possibly be found.”

“The sheriff clearly has done a good job,” he continued. “There were clearly material things wrong with the document that appeared on the White House website.”

Monckton told Ballantyne he even went so far as to have an expert forge a phony “Christopher W. Monckton” Hawaiian birth certificate to match the “Barack Obama” document the White House released on April 27 last year – just to see that it could be done.

Ballantyne summarized for the British former newspaper editor: “Once you viewed the evidence, once you met sheriff Arpaio, met Mike Zullo, who is Sheriff Arpaio’s lead investigator, you were fairly convinced or at least satisfied that there was something here that was worth, in fact, investigating.”

“That’s right,” Monckton said.

Ballantyne and Zolna’s interview of Monckton can be seen below:

Video at the page Link:

Monckton’s appeal to back Arpaio’s continuing investigation can also be seen below.

2nd Video at the page Link:

Monckton noted that private contributions to Arpaio’s investigation can be made through the website for the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse, www.mcsoccp.org.

Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.

Where’s the lawman to run Obama out of town?