Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by cayla99

You do not need to be a natural born citizen to get a passport. My son has duel citizenship and possesses both a US and Irish passport.

There are many links and information sections on these links below...


http://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/proof.html

Proof of Citizenship

Any one of the following may be used as proof of citizenship

* Previous U.S. Passport (mutilated, altered, or damaged passports are not acceptable as evidence of U.S. citizenship.)
* Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state

NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth

* Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
* Naturalization Certificate
* Certificate of Citizenship

A Delayed Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable proof of citizenship if it:

* Listed the documentation used to create it and
* Signed by the attending physician or midwife, or, lists an affidavit signed by the parents, or shows early public records.

If you do NOT have any of the above documents as proof of citizenship, you can use secondary evidence of citizenship.:

FOR MINORS UNDER THE AGE OF 14:

The citizenship evidence submitted for minors under the age of 14 must list both parents' names.

Expedite your passport today.

U.S. Passport Top



Secondary Proof of Citizenship

Travelers who cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. The list of secondary evidence below will help you decide which is most appropriate for your situation. Passport applications are handled on a case-by-case basis. The options below serve only as general guidance.

Early Public Records

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted together with a birth record or Letter of No Record (see below). Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:

* Baptismal certificate
* Hospital birth certificate
* Census record
* Early school record
* Family bible record
* Doctor's record of post-natal care

Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone.

Delayed Birth Certificate

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because your U.S. Birth Certificate was not filed within the first year of your birth, you may submit a Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate. A Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if:

red check It lists the documentation used to create it (preferably early public records) and
red check It is signed by the birth attendant or lists an affidavit signed by the parents

If your Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate does not include these items, it should be submitted together with Early Public Records (see above).

Letter of No Record

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because you do not have a previous U.S. passport or a certified U.S. birth certificate of any kind, you must present a state-issued Letter of No Record showing:

red check Your name
red check Your date of birth
red check The years for which a birth record was searched
red check Acknowledgement that no birth certificate was found on file

A Letter of No Record must be submitted together with Early Public Records (see above).

Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit as additional evidence of your U.S. citizenship. You may be requested to submit Early Public Records when submitting Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit. The birth affidavit:

red check Must be notarized
red check Must be submitted in person with Form DS-11
red check Must be submitted together with early public records
red check Must be completed by an affiant who has personal knowledge of birth in the U.S.
red check Must state briefly how the affiant's knowledge was acquired
red check Should be completed by an older blood relative

NOTE: If no older blood relative is available, the affiant may be the attending physician or any other person who has personal knowledge of the birth

Foreign Birth Documents + Parent(s) Citizenship Evidence
If you claim citizenship through birth abroad to U.S. citizen parent(s), but cannot submit a Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth, you must submit all of the following:

red check Your foreign birth certificate
red check Evidence of citizenship of your U.S. citizen parent
red check Parents' marriage certificate
red check An affidavit of your U.S. citizen parent showing all periods and places of residence or physical presence in the United States and abroad before your birth

Unacceptable Documents

The following will not be accepted as evidence of U.S. citizenship:

* Voter registration card
* Army discharge paper
* Social Security Card



http://www.us-passport-service-guide.co ... nship.html


Kathyet

Originally Posted by kathyet

Originally Posted by cayla99

You do not need to be a natural born citizen to get a passport. My son has duel citizenship and possesses both a US and Irish passport.

There are many links and information sections on these links below...


http://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/proof.html

Proof of Citizenship

Any one of the following may be used as proof of citizenship

* Previous U.S. Passport (mutilated, altered, or damaged passports are not acceptable as evidence of U.S. citizenship.)
* Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state

NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth

* Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
* Naturalization Certificate
* Certificate of Citizenship

A Delayed Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable proof of citizenship if it:

* Listed the documentation used to create it and
* Signed by the attending physician or midwife, or, lists an affidavit signed by the parents, or shows early public records.

If you do NOT have any of the above documents as proof of citizenship, you can use secondary evidence of citizenship.:

FOR MINORS UNDER THE AGE OF 14:

The citizenship evidence submitted for minors under the age of 14 must list both parents' names.

Expedite your passport today.

U.S. Passport Top



Secondary Proof of Citizenship

Travelers who cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. The list of secondary evidence below will help you decide which is most appropriate for your situation. Passport applications are handled on a case-by-case basis. The options below serve only as general guidance.

Early Public Records

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted together with a birth record or Letter of No Record (see below). Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:

* Baptismal certificate
* Hospital birth certificate
* Census record
* Early school record
* Family bible record
* Doctor's record of post-natal care

Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone.

Delayed Birth Certificate

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because your U.S. Birth Certificate was not filed within the first year of your birth, you may submit a Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate. A Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate filed more than one year after your birth may be acceptable if:

red check It lists the documentation used to create it (preferably early public records) and
red check It is signed by the birth attendant or lists an affidavit signed by the parents

If your Delayed U.S. Birth Certificate does not include these items, it should be submitted together with Early Public Records (see above).

Letter of No Record

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship because you do not have a previous U.S. passport or a certified U.S. birth certificate of any kind, you must present a state-issued Letter of No Record showing:

red check Your name
red check Your date of birth
red check The years for which a birth record was searched
red check Acknowledgement that no birth certificate was found on file

A Letter of No Record must be submitted together with Early Public Records (see above).

Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit as additional evidence of your U.S. citizenship. You may be requested to submit Early Public Records when submitting Form DS-10: Birth Affidavit. The birth affidavit:

red check Must be notarized
red check Must be submitted in person with Form DS-11
red check Must be submitted together with early public records
red check Must be completed by an affiant who has personal knowledge of birth in the U.S.
red check Must state briefly how the affiant's knowledge was acquired
red check Should be completed by an older blood relative

NOTE: If no older blood relative is available, the affiant may be the attending physician or any other person who has personal knowledge of the birth

Foreign Birth Documents + Parent(s) Citizenship Evidence
If you claim citizenship through birth abroad to U.S. citizen parent(s), but cannot submit a Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth, you must submit all of the following:

red check Your foreign birth certificate
red check Evidence of citizenship of your U.S. citizen parent
red check Parents' marriage certificate
red check An affidavit of your U.S. citizen parent showing all periods and places of residence or physical presence in the United States and abroad before your birth

Unacceptable Documents

The following will not be accepted as evidence of U.S. citizenship:

* Voter registration card
* Army discharge paper
* Social Security Card



http://www.us-passport-service-guide.co ... nship.html


Kathyet

A passport will show CITIZENSHIP, but not NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. Natural born is the main question here

Rush Weighs in on Hawaii’s Obama Birth Certificate Search

January 22, 2011 at 7:04am
by Meredith Jessup


http://conservidive.magnify.net/embed/p ... search%2F#

Rush Weighs in on Hawaii’s Obama Birth Certificate Search

January 22, 2011 at 7:04am
by Meredith Jessup
Comments (266)

It looks like the fight over President Barack Obama’s birth certificate will never end. The debate over the supposed controversy heated up once more after Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie made it his mission to track down the infamous document to finally put rumors to rest. Instead, it seems the Democratic former member of Congress has only made things worse.

Earlier this week, Abercrombie announced that while the actual birth certificate document hasn’t been located, Obama’s birth was noted in a state registry. To many Obama supporters, this reaffirmed their belief that the entire debate was a non-issue. To “birthers,â€

Originally Posted by AirborneSapper7

On Friday, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh weighed in with his thoughts on the issue:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rush-we ... te-search/

I hadn't listened to el Rushbo since he took a dive on Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility. Good to hear that he is back in the ring swinging.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

I DO want to see people like Pelosi face justice though, as she was, IMO, involved in a massive fraud and cover-up.

Enough of sooth-saying, political correctness, and pulling punches. It is more than just fraud that DNC Chairwoman Rep. Nancy Pelosi and DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond misrepresented Mr. Obama as Constitutionally qualified. It is, on the face of it, giving aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S. Constitution who is even now committing ongoing sedition in his overthrow of Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5.

Mr. Obama has not just violated the "natural born Citizen" clause. Unless he is brought to justice, for sedition against the Constitution at the very least, that part of the Constitution is toast, which will lead to more foreigners with foreign loyalties ruling the United States.

As for being an enemy of the U.S., Mr. Obama has done far more financial damage to American investors on Wall Street than the 9/11 hijackers did to the World Trade Center at Liberty & Church Streets. Mr. Obama's redistribution of American investors' wealth, force-multiplied by Obamacare, may eventually cause many more than 3000 needless and otherwise avoidable deaths of U.S. citizens.

Minuteman, that's more like it Glad to hear that you think it's time to take the gloves off. I felt this way a long time ago.

Texas, I originally posted the following 8 months ago: http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... -2954.html

To Steve Cooper, The Conservative Monster.com

Mr. Cooper, a conviction on any number of counts of voter fraud, a pardonable offense, is not going to make this go away.

This is about subverting the Constitution by knowingly violating the natural born Citizen clause (Art. II § 1 ¶ 5).

This is about rebellion and sedition against and overthrow of a duly elected, duly constituted government, through deception, subterfuge, and intrigue, by a Constitutionally disqualified impostor usurping the Office of President and Commander-in-Chief: more specifically, by a former collaborator with and supplier to the Talibαn, Is|amist terrorists with whom the United States is at war.

This is about giving aid and comfort to the enemy - Is|amist terrorism, al Qai'dα, and the Talibαn - in time of war, by actions that, when taken together, help or benefit the enemy, including:

• Reducing the military budget in wartime;
  
  Pressuring Israel, a U.S. ally, to surrender militarily crucial land areas, thereby rendering the country indefensible;
  
  Refusing to deploy defensive radar systems against Iran while it threatens to annihilate Israel, a U.S. ally;
  
  Shrinking from taking whatever actions necessary, above and beyond commercial and financial sanctions, to keep an atomic bδmb out of the hands of Shiiτε madmen in Irαn and Is|amist terrorists in their surrogates, Hezbo||ah and Hamαs;
  
  Bowing subserviently before King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, a nation which sponsors Wahhαbi Mus|im terrorists, such as al Qai'dα;
  
  Refusing commanding General Petraus' call for reinforcements for three months, reducing the number of those reinforcements by one-fourth, delaying the deployment of those reinforcements for several more months, and then, as a condition of sending reinforcements, setting a departure date (surrender date) to abandon overseas confrontation in the war against Is|amist terrorism, al Qai'dα, and the Talibαn;
  
  Requiring removal of enemy combatants from military prisons at Guantanamo Bay, and granting them the judicial rights of U.S. citizens and civilian trials, sometimes in courtrooms located in the very areas they terrorized;
  
  Publicly announcing the number of nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal and proclaiming a desire to unilaterally disarm;
  
  Emboldening our enemies by publicly announcing a new policy to renounce the use of nuclear retaliation against non-nuclear states, even against governments which are known to be state sponsors or exporters of terrorism;
  
  Stating (through DHS) that even though Arizona law enforcement apprehends illegal aliens who are violating U.S. immigration laws, ICE may possibly not deport all the illegal aliens Arizona captures (actually, that has been standard procedure in the past and until now);
  
  Refusing to secure the borders when countless Is|amist terrorists are continuing to simply walk across and blend into the citizenry, even after illegal alien Is|amist terrorists killed nearly 3000 persons on 9/11.

In the words of J. B. Williams, "Obama's entire domestic, foreign, and national defense agenda has proven to be wholly anti-American on every possible level." Similarly, Pastor James David Manning calls him "the anti-American President," though most of us would prefer to call him "the anti-American usurper" or "the anti-American impostor."

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort (U.S. Constitution, Art. III § 3 ¶ 1). Treason is more than just opposing or acting against the government. In the military, it is punishable by death by firing squad. For civilians, it is punishable either by death or by imprisonment up to life imprisonment. For a usurper posing as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, who now knows innumerable state secrets, the penalty is yet undetermined.

Birthers Unite! Hawaii Governor’s Quest to End Birth Certificate ‘Controversy’ Hits a Dead End
» 47 comments
by Tommy Christopher | 12:05 pm, January 22nd, 2011

Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie’s one-man crusade to end the “controversyâ€

http://www.mediaite.com/online/birthers ... -dead-end/

The comments are running about 5 to 3 against Mr. Obama's eligibility for office. But the aggregate intelligence runs much higher in the posts against Mr. Obama's eligibility. We might expect as much, since his supporters either don't know whereof they speak, or they do know, but they fabricate. More often, Obamaton debating skills are limited to insults and one-liners, and lack any logic or evidence or persuasion whatsoever.
[quote="For the Constitution, TeaPartyPatriot"][size=117]“Hawaii Governor’s Quest to End Birth Certificate ‘Controversy’ Hits a Dead Endâ€

The truth is whatever the BO administration and MSM SAYS it is. It has nothing to do with facts. The powers that be will NEVER allow this case to go before the SC because it implicates the "Powers That Be". The fox is guarding the hen house. Frankly, I don't give a $#%# anymore because WE don't matter. What matters is WHO makes the money, WHO holds the power and WHO gets sacrificed on the alter of the political gods. We are living the lie of all lies, a bogus/illegal potus and a corrupt/clueless government. IMO, nothing short of a civil revolt will push this issue forward and even THEN, doubtful. Nobody in our outlaw government wants to be the one to admit or bring to light the laws and ethics that were broken to put BO into office and that really doesn't even matter. Our Constitution means NOTHING to these scum. Lots of people made lots of money and gained lots of power by putting BO in office. Get it?

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Nobody in our outlaw government wants to be the one to admit or bring to light the laws and ethics that were broken to put BO into office and that really doesn't even matter. Our Constitution means NOTHING to these scum. Lots of people made lots of money and gained lots of power by putting BO in office. Get it?

Then those who are not complicit with our outlaw government need to admit the violations of law and ethics by that government and bring them to light. Rush talking about the usurpation is a start.

I had no response from "non-partisan" government corruption watchdogs in Europe. How can we petition other nations to derecognize this unlawful government, especially since there is no alternate or exiled government to recognize? Other nations see the usurpation as the de facto government, lawful or not. The outlaw government's compliance or non-compliance with the Constitution is just so much internal politics to other nations.

Has anyone here attempted to correspond with major news agencies outside the U.S. (besides Pravda.ru, which has reported on the usurpation most reliably)?

There are many talk shows in the U.S. which give a voice to dissidents from other countries. Is anyone besides Dr. Orly Taitz getting air time on radio programs in other countries, particularly on non-English programs?

Originally Posted by At forums.hannity.com, Roberts_the_man

"Sole power " this :

impeachment -
A process that is used to charge, try, and remove public officials for misconduct while in office.

Barry was ineligible BEFORE he took office......

So impeachment doesn't apply, since impeachment deals ONLY with misconduct while in office and not [with] ineligibility .......

Barry simply cannot legally hold office to then fulfill this oath, since
he [was] not legally able to do so before his ascension to that office ! :

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States,
and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

One CANNOT faithfully execute an office for which they are not eligible, and
obviously cannot to their best of their ability preserve and protect a document
that they are in violation of before they take the oath of office for it,
since they are not legally able to perform the duties of office ....
Arguing for impeachment is a waste of time.

Barry is simply ineligible to hold office at all.
Misconduct in office is NOT why he needs to be removed from office.

It's fun to debate the impeachment in and outs with you,
but seriously, Barry doesn't rise to the level of needing to be impeached.

Needless to say, Article II stands alone.

Right after the portion of the article where it states this :

"No person except a natural born Citizen,
or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible
to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years,
and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "

Article II then speaks of removal from office ! :

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office,
or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office,
the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and
the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability,
both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President,
and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

Thus it's a foregone conclusion that since Barry is not a NBC ........ he isn't eligible, and
the next paragraph does NOT mention impeachment but speaks of "removal", and
speaks of Congress having the Constitutional power to write legislation to deal with it if necessary ......
Whilst impeachment can remove a POTUS, etc., from office...
It can also leave them in office......
Removal is always removal .
[Just as] ineligible is always ineligible !
However it is clear that this section is not speaking of impeachment .......

• [How is it clear, or how clear is it? - Ed.]

It speaks of removal ........

The process for impeachment was already described in Article I and specifically deals with
High Crimes and misdemeanors [while in office].

Had the Framers intended for an ineligible usurper needing to be impeached,
they surely would have used the word impeached instead of removal,
and since Article I already describes the process, referred the reader back to Article I, or
repeated the description for impeachment after speaking of an ineligible POTUS !

The courts can then and should act to remove Barry......
because removal of a usurper from office is permitted by the Constitution.

However again, Article III is a separate Article from Article I about the Senate, and
as I mentioned, Article III mentions that an impeachment is available but is an unnecessary waste....
because impeachment is intended for misconduct while in office.......

Barry has NEVER legally held office !

Before Barry took the oath he wasn't legally allowed to be POTUS,
AND he could not fulfill the oath BEFORE he took the oath.......

No act of Congress can make an illegal office holder legal .

That takes an amendment to the US Constitution .....

AND no certification of the votes can make an illegal candidate
legal !

The argument for impeachment is much like arguing Frank Abagnale Jr needed to have his
non-existent pilot, Dr, law, etc. licenses yanked by the governing boards that oversee such things !

So the correct action is removal of an ineligible office-holder by Congress, which may or may not require the same process (and two-thirds majority in the Senate) as impeachment for misconduct while in office.

If that process is blocked or not functioning properly, petition for redress must be available through the courts... in this case, through the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, or because of distance from WDC, through a local District Court acting for the D.C. District Court. However, Chief Justice Royce Lamberth of the USDC4DC appears to have been intimidated or coerced before the "Oust Obama Express" first left the station, or at least two years ago.

However, correct understanding of the rules only gets one so far... in this case, only far enough to see the rules trodden underfoot.

Therefore, inasmuch as

• the courts are handcuffed,
  a people's grand jury is not recognized,
  the Joint Chiefs of Staff choose to allow Dr. Terry Lakin to be wrongfully imprisoned rather than to oust the fraudulent usurper, and
  the Congress can't even make up its mind to allow the words, "Obama" and "ineligible," to be spoken in the same paragraph within its chambers,

we pray.