Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

After so many months of frustration, and so many attempts to resolve these questions, I am pleased to see some potentially solid progress.

My only question is whether or not the courts, having been intimidated for so long, or, alternatively, so much a part of the conspiracy, will do the right thing and properly hear and properly decide this quo warranto matter.

Let's hope so, and let's support any valid petition(s) that may come down for our signature. This would be the very least we citizens can do to help.

And, so, I ask you... where do I sign??

U.S. soldier gagged on prez's eligibility

Posted: March 03, 2009
8:48 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


A member of the U.S. military whose suspicions about Barack Obama's eligibility to be president prompted him to sign onto a legal demand being sent to Attorney General Eric Holder has now been silenced.

Attorney Orly Taitz, the California activist who through her DefendOurFreedoms.us foundation is assembling the case, told WND today she's been informed one of the members of the military has been ordered by commanding officers not to speak with media.

The officer's identity was withheld to prevent further actions against him.

However, Taitz confirmed to WND there would be no lack of plaintiffs in her action, which challenges Obama to prove by what authority he operates as commander in chief.

Another active-duty soldier, who identified himself as Staff Sgt. Alan Craig James, volunteered to be identified publicly as a plaintiff in the case, Taitz said.

She said she already has a list of 101 volunteers in her case demanding Obama's proof of eligibility.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!

As WND reported this week, Taitz has assembled officers from the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines to seek Obama's documentation.

The plaintiffs are citing the legal standard of Quo Warranto, which also was cited in a case brought by New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others.

The idea, first recorded some 800 years ago, essentially is a demand to know what authority Obama is using to act as president. An online constitutional resource says Quo Warranto "affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."

Among those requesting the action are Maj. Gen. Carroll Childers; Lt. Col. Dr. David Earl-Graef; police officer Clinton Grimes, formerly of the U.S. Navy; Lt. Scott Easterling, now serving on active duty in Iraq; New Hampshire state Rep. Timothy Comerford; and Tennessee state Rep. Frank Nicely.

"As president-elect, Respondent Obama failed to submit prima facie evidence of his qualifications before January 20, 2009. Election officers failed to challenge, validate or evaluate his qualifications. Relators submit that as president elect, Respondent Obama failed [to] qualify per U.S. CONST. Amend. XX [paragraph] 3," the document said.

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, an organization founded by former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, said the demand is a legitimate course of action.

"She basically is asking, 'By what authority' is Obama president," he told WND. "In other words, 'I want you to tell me by what authority. I don't really think you should hold the office.'"

The letter has been dispatched to Holder, asking him to appoint a special prosecutor for the case.

Eidsmoe said it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that "he does not want the public to know."

Obama's critics warn of a constitutional crisis should it be discovered Obama is ineligible and the resulting chaos of trying to figure out what, if any, of his executive branch orders should be valid.

According to the online Constitution.org resource: "The common law writ of Quo Warranto has been suppressed at the federal level in the United States, and deprecated at the state level, but remains a right under the Ninth Amendment which was understood and presumed by the Founders, and which affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents."

Taitz told WND the "relators" in the Quo Warranto case include members of the Army, Air Force, Marines and Army and feature recipients of some of the highest honors the nation awards, including the Purple Heart.

According to author Chester Antieau in his "The Practice of Extraordinary Remedies," Quo Warranto is one of the oldest rights in common law.

"The earliest case on record appears in the 9th year of Richard I, 1198," he wrote. "The statute of 9 Anne c. 20 in 1710 authorized a proper officer of a court, with leave of the court, to exhibit an information in the nature of Quo Warranto, at the 'relation' of any person desiring to prosecute the same – to be called the relator. Early American statutes were modeled after the Statute of Anne and, indeed, the statute has often been ruled to be part of the common law we inherited from England."

Antieau noted the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has ruled, "Quo Warranto is addressed to preventing a continued exercise of authority unlawfully asserted, rather than to correct what has already been done. ..."

Its first recognized purpose, he said, is "to determine the title of persons claiming possession of public offices and to oust them if they are found to be usurpers."

Although Obama officials have told WND all such allegations are "garbage," here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.


Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.


Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.


In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.


Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.


In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.


In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.


In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.


In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.


In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.


In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.

Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90682

March 04, 2009
Categories: Barack Obama

Missouri Republicans push birth certificate questions to oppose 'tyranny'
www.politico.com

Fifteen Republican members of the Missouri General Assembly have signed on to a state constitutional amendment that appears aimed at advancing the claims of the fringe movement that doubts President Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president.

The language is contained in a proposed "voter's bill of rights," which would serve "as a defense against corruption, fraud, and tyranny."

The proposed amendment states:

For candidates who are required by the Constitution of the United States to be natural born citizens, the secretary of state shall request an official copy of the candidate's birth certificate. Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted. Should any candidate fail to provide an official birth certificate within thirty days of the request by the secretary of state, his or her name shall not be placed on the ballot.

The Birthers, as they're known, have focused on the State of Hawaii's refusal to release the original of Obama's birth certificate, as opposed to official copies; Hawaii state law bars the release of the original.

State Rep. Robert Cooper wasn't immediately available to discuss the bill, which has drawn criticism on a local liberal blog.

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

Breakthrough?

Donofrio returns to the fray, teamed up with Apuzzo, and pursuing Quo Warranto on a different track than Orly ... no military needed for their suit to press forward.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ... -in-peace/

Regarding the removal of Obama, this is the most active and legally sound forum/blog I have seen so far. I think it is because Leo Donofrio adds comments to every legitimate post.

Thanks for passing it along.

Juan

Obama citizenship challenge tossed

ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:00 a.m. March 6, 2009

WASHINGTON – A federal judge yesterday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.
In an argument popular on the Internet, Obama's critics argue he's ineligible to be president because he isn't a “natural-born citizenâ€

IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED HERE!!!! PLEASE JOIN IN!!!!

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-860332.html#860332

Originally Posted by April

IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED HERE!!!! PLEASE JOIN IN!!!!

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-860332.html#860332

Apparently, the Chicago Trib withdrew that poll when we began voting in it. Or so it appears.

[quote="JohnDoe2"]Obama citizenship challenge tossed

ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:00 a.m. March 6, 2009

WASHINGTON – A federal judge yesterday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.
In an argument popular on the Internet, Obama's critics argue he's ineligible to be president because he isn't a “natural-born citizenâ€

Despite the judge’s dry and somewhat sarcastic sense of humor, he has made some excellent points concerning this case.

More here: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=4342

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

Breakthrough?

Donofrio returns to the fray, teamed up with Apuzzo, and pursuing Quo Warranto on a different track than Orly ... no military needed for their suit to press forward.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ... -in-peace/

Regarding the removal of Obama, this is the most active and legally sound forum/blog I have seen so far. I think it is because Leo Donofrio adds comments to every legitimate post.

Thanks for passing it along.

Juan

It's OK, but I disagree with his latest argument that Quo Warranto is the only right way to proceed to remove a sitting POTUS when there's no impeachment in the offing.

There are a number of officials who've been removed from office AFTER being elected and for the same grounds as exist for Obama, i.e., failure to meet the eligibility criteria set by the Constitution.

Gallatin.
Shields.
Vance.

In Gallatin's case, it was claimed after he'd been elected to Congress by the voters of Pennsylvania that he was short of the number of years of citizenship that constituted the Constitutional eligibility minimum. He was ousted after a hearing which set the precedent that debate in the Senate be opened up to the public. (Debates used to take place behind closed doors in the earliest years of the Republic.) He presented evidence of when he had arrived in the U.S. (1780) and when he had sworn his allegiance (in Commonwealth of Virginia) and was found "short" of the requirement, so it was Ejection Time.

He ran for office again after more years had passed and later became Treasury Secretary under Jefferson.

No Quo Warranto for that, no "impeachment" or any kind of legal mumbo jumbo. A committee of the state legislature in his home state simply formed and advanced on Washington, D.C. as a delegation with a message and buttonholed the Congressional leadership to tell them there was someone ineligible, that the years didn't add up, and they felt compelled to hold a hearing.

End of story.

Some Senator is running around being quoted by WND to the effect that if the voters elected Obama then that settles the eligibility questions, and that the voters must have "vetted" him for eligibility ... I think it might be Mel Martinez of Florida. Well, sorry, no, Mel ... you're wrong. The voters of Pennsylvania might have elected Gallatin by an overwhelming majority back in the day but even if 99% of them had voted for him, they could not "trump" the Constitution. He was about a year short of the citizenship period he needed. Buh-bye.

LD posted that he was making a return appearance on Plains Radio. Sorry, but the antics of Ed Hale in the past month or two, not to mention some of the on-air demeanor the one time I ever listened, would find me raising my hand to get OFF that particular bus. There are associations that lend credence to a valid legal argument (one that isn't on a goose chase for something to support extraordinary and unproven fact allegations) and then other associations that simply do not.