Thread: Legal Spanish Citizens Reaction/ African American Reaction

If the illegals are granted amnesty and later become legal, African Americans as well as other minorities will have less of a voice in the future (in my opinion). I would think that this would be viewed as a problem by existing minority groups. Therefore, the problem of illegals being allowed legal status affects us all. I don't see the outcry in the african american community as well as other communities. I know now that legal spanish american citizens are begining to question how this will affect them. Although we may be legal citizens the decision to allow illegals to become legal citizens will affect everyon dynamically.

Originally Posted by gusgriswald

If the illegals are granted amnesty and later become legal, African Americans as well as other minorities will have less of a voice in the future (in my opinion). I would think that this would be viewed as a problem by existing minority groups. Therefore, the problem of illegals being allowed legal status affects us all. I don't see the outcry in the african american community as well as other communities. I know now that legal spanish american citizens are begining to question how this will affect them. Although we may be legal citizens the decision to allow illegals to become legal citizens will affect everyon dynamically.

Voices are spoken by beliefs and not by race. I do not see the problem except in taxes, wages, jobs, invoronmental and society as a whole for all American citizens. We are a whole and amnesty or illegal immigration affect all of us. WE are one people of different races, religion, nationality. What affect one affects all. They all do not vote alike.
The out cry is there, it just is not identified as a whole but only individual.
I cannot speak for all Native Americans, only for myself.

gusgriswald,

I'm glad you are over here hanging with us. You offer a fresh perspective.

Sometimes I think people forget that Puerto Rico is a US territory, with commonwealth status. If Puerto citizens ever decide to become a state, I will fully embrace them as one. Also, I don't believe advocates of the English language, which I am one of them, realize or they forget that Spanish is the primary language of puerto Rico. However, both English and Spanish are the official languages and about 3% of the population is English only. However, both languages are taught in the schools.

My point here is that Americans are not intolerant of foreign languages. In fact, our institutions of higher learning require 2 years of a foreign language of our choosing. I don't want Spanish forced on me, any more than I believe English should be forced on Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico should always receive respect in that regard to making English the Official Language of America. However, I do not believe intelopers should be dictating to the Continental United States what language to speak.

Dixie

I do not see the problem except in taxes, wages, jobs, invoronmental and society as a whole for all American citizens. We are a whole and amnesty or illegal immigration affect all of us. WE are one people of different races, religion, nationality. What affect one affects all. They all do not vote alike.
The out cry is there, it just is not identified as a whole but only individual.
I cannot speak for all Native Americans, only for myself.[/quote]

Maybe when I posted the topic of discussion I should have included other minority groups. Because in reality it will affect everybody. I was wrong to just mention spanish and african american reaction.
However, I think that we are going to see this thing affect people in different ways. I live in an area that is infested with illegal aliens and nothing is being done about it. This is because many people that are retired live here and they have money. However, they have got to make the money last. So they use illegals to cut the gras etc. It is not affecting them now and if this is approved it will not affect them in the future. It is affecting the job market for legal citizens and will be even worse if measure are approved.

Originally Posted by maidaca

You go by the name of gusgriswald but you must be named Carlos or Pedro. (come on don't be ashamed!!!)
We "Spanish people" as you call us, are ashamed of people who is on their side trying to be one of them and act like one of them. You're brainwashed my Puerto Rican 'Gusgriswaldo' friend. You should be on God's side. He gave you the citizenship, 'NOT THEM'... this is a fight that involves racism and prejudice. They will always keep telling you names that you don't deserve, EVEN IF YOU ARE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL, that's why I think you are on the wrong side... I was born in Minneapolis, MN. but the fact that I look like the majority of those "illegals" as they call them, makes me be on the "Spanish people's side" as you call it

Maidaca, do you even listen to yourself? First, you call this person "Carlos" or "Pedro"? You... you, sound racist. Read the last sentence that you wrote...YOU are racist against YOURSELF. , You are siding with people based on looks? What is that about? Based on your statement, if God is giving citizenship, then everyone should stay in the country that they were born in(?) Now that sounds like a plan. Using the "God" card was a nice try, but does not make any sense, and is not relevant in this case. Illegal immigration is not about race, it is about the law. Are you opposed to following the law?

Talking to a lot of mexican americans and legal hispanics, the majority of them defends immigrants that came here illegaly because most(legal hispanics) have a close family member or close friend that's here illegaly, specially if they are of mexican origin.

Also, a lot of them seems to be irritated by the anti-mexico anti-spanish language rhetorics that comes from the movement and to be fair, i think the movement is making a huge mistake with those rhetorics because it allows people to throw out the "racist' word around thus causing the mainstream population afraid to associate with the movement.

Anyway, ciro rodriguez,a texas mexican democratic congressman who favors s2611 and who is anti-border fence, won re-election against henry bonilla, a anti- guest worker/path to citizenship republican.
From what ive heard, Ciro Rodriguez received 82% of the mexican american votes.

Now, let's remember that henry bonilla is "also" mexican american, so why would his fellow mexican american vote so strongly against him?
Im hearing that most mexican americans in maverick county are against the fence and they dont like the rhetoric that is coming from the movement against illegal immigration.

Democratic candidate across the nation received about 75% of the latino vote and if it wasnt for the pro-republican cuban vote in south florida, it could have been worse.Those cuban americans dont vote republican because they are tough on illegal immigration, but their voting patterns has to do more on fidel castro and the fact that the Bush administration is anti-castro.

The younger cuban americans are more likely to vote democratic because they werent born in cuba and dont care about cuban politics as their older republican parent does.

Anyway, the myth that "legal" immigrants are against "illegal" immigration, is not true and most of them regard the movement as a "hate group" that just wants all latino immigrants out.

You can read more about the TX-22 election at:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/ ... atino.html

It is important to frame the debate in terms of the american worker. That is the person who is being used for his output to increase wealth for employers. The reason there is and immigration system is to be protect the integrity of the american worker.

Land
Labor
Capital

Businesses goal is to get all three as cheap as possible. When there pursuit is oppresion we use laws to bring employers in line. Immigration laws, monopoly Laws, Zoning, Lending Practices and the central bank.

In this mix all people participate, some leaglly some illegally. It is the job of the government to referee. On immigration the ref has swallowed the whistle. He is trying to retake control of the court but business keeps fouling.

Turning anger twoard working people will not solve the problem.
Calling names is only ailenating and a distructive force for our own side.

The focus is, as it has been, on employers and government officals. both should be held accountable.

Originally Posted by maidaca

b] You should be on God's side. He gave you the citizenship, 'NOT THEM'... [/b]this is a fight that involves racism and prejudice. They will always keep telling you names that you don't deserve, EVEN IF YOU ARE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL, that's why I think you are on the wrong side... I was born in Minneapolis, MN. but the fact that I look like the majority of those "illegals" as they call them, makes me be on the "Spanish people's side" as you call it

God do not give citizenship. Citizenship is determined gy the government and by what country you are born in. Give God credit were it is due. It is not abour race but about legality and our immigration laws. Spanish people have different voices on different things.
They are illegals because they entered this country illegally. Simple as that, no matter what race they are.

The pro-illegal activists want to frame this debate as one of "racism" towards Latinos. They do this because it is the only real weapon they have. They do not have the law or morality on their side. They accuse people who want the immigration law enforced of being racist. I often wonder if these Latino activists would be so interested in amnesty for illegals if the majority of illegals WERE NOT from their particular ethnic group.

Calling people "racist" is meant to intimidate them and get them to back down.....and you're right Noyoucannot, it is the only weapon they have, and not a very good one at that. Once you see how easily and freely the OBL people hurl such language, it ceases to have any power......it becomes meaningless.

GusGriswald, in response to your original question, my sister-in-law and her entire family are also from Puerto Rico. Spanish is her first language, though she also is completely fluent in English. I adore her, she is a terrific person, and has a fine family, many of whom are still in P.R. She is completely against the BS that is now going on with illegal immigration.

It's too bad that people such as Maidaca and other OBL feel they must personally attack and try to insult those who do not agree with them.

If the illegals are granted amnesty and later become legal, African Americans as well as other minorities will have less of a voice in the future (in my opinion).

aha!! turned on. I understand what your meaning is Griswald. Yes it is a problem because the political demographic changes. It is indeed a problem to all. It is interesting how the "programed" aversion to any reference to "minority" brings out defense mechanisms.

Irregardless of minority or majority status -- all Americans who love this nation will be affected by the influx of such numbers of people with agendas that are not what they can do for this country but what this country can do for them. This puts another light on why Bush et al and the Dems want them legalized, their vote strength sways the popular vote to one supporting a socialistic form of government.