Thread: Maybe Lou Will Run For President

(il)legal alien: Instead of your anarchist views and demands that illegal behavior and activity be rewarded by America, just go back to your 3rd world haven and improve your and your compadres life there:

The population density of Latin America is less than that of the USA! There are only 561 million people in Latin America. Since Latin America has more than twice the land area of the USA but less than twice the population, they have more resources per capita than Americans do! In other words there is no reason they could not have a per-capita income and quality of life equal to Americans, except their style of government inhibits it!
So invaders, if you want prosperity, go fix your government and develop your own countries!!

Amen to that, FedUp.

And amen to that, too, Zeezil.

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by legal_alien

Is booting the illegals the solution to the country's problems ? It is a widely known truth that majority of the illegals do the jobs and sometimes in less humane conditions than is written down in state laws, that the Americans will not do! I am not in favor of illegals but I am in favor of a sensible solution to the problem and booting them out is surely not sensible else our leaders would have booted them out long ago....or best they would have applied the immigration laws to bar the entry of illegals in the first place when those laws were born.

When I read statements such as yours it strikes me as comedic at best. The fact that illegal aliens and their individual governments (along with too many in ours) and their corporate masters attempt to brainwash the American public into believing our very existence and survival depends on the presence of lawless, uneducated, low wage earners is absurd. Prior to and since the abolition of slavery Americans have worked as maids, cooks, bellhops, construction workers, laborers, etc. all the jobs that are falsely claimed to be jobs "Americans won't do". Illegals merely do them because $8.00 per hour is a gold mine compared to the $8.00 a day (or less) that they make in their homelands. Couple that with the women who come here and anchor themselves by birthing multiple children to receive what for them equals a lottery: free healthcare, foodstamps, subsidized housing, and a monthly check that increases with every child they poot out, all at the taxpayers expense. Since none receive any government assistance in their homeland they are to ignorant to realize that the small amount of money they receive is not enough to live on without remaining POVERTY STRICKEN. Therein lies only one problematic part of the equation that we the American taxpayers have with the mess known as illegal immigration. Corporate America gains substantially on the backs of those of us who work hard for our dollars and are fed up with the abuse of subsidizing cheap illegal labor while illegals pay little or no taxes. Its quite a vicious cycle since the wages earn are so minimal until what contribution they make in sales taxes or even payroll taxes if they have STOLEN AN AMERICANS IDENTITY are returned to them IF they file taxes; otherwise they simply create systematic chaos for the citizen whose identity they have destroyed. Small price to pay for being here illegally.

Another part of the equation:

Cultural differences: language barrier, overcrowding of residences; extreme levels of heinous violence; numerous children that the parents cannot support; age of consent 12; overall general lawlessness begining with illegal entry/visa overstays.

Sensible solution would be to legalize them (there could be n number of ways to legalize them which I do not want to discuss right now)...but when one talks about legalization, or the process to obtain legal immigration...has much of America thought / know how the legal immigration system works in this country ? Just to let you know, the US Government doesn't even fund the official US agency, USCIS under Homeland Security to run its day to day affairs!!! They are supposed to run the organization solely from the money that they receive via the various applications fees collected by from the applicants!!

We have laws that have not been enforced for decades. Once we get rid of the majority of crooked politicians who have looked the other way and allowed us to be overrun with an alien population and begin to enforce the current laws religiously and cut off the social services and welfare benefits, the majority should and will self deport. Those who don't should indeed be rounded up and deported. THAT IS THE SENSIBLE LEGAL THING TO DO, otherwise we will merely become the duplication of the poverty and 3rd world cesspool that the illegals think they are leaving when the reality that too many don't face is that THEY ARE THE PROBLEM and CHANGE COMES FROM WITHIN. The majority DO NOT ASSIMILATE they come here and duplicate the poverty, overcrowding and lawlessness and cultural corruption that they have become accustomed to.

I agree to most of the statement made here. However, there are a few that I do not agree with and I am sure no two individual can agree on every thing 100%. But the bottom line is "implementaing the laws" which we do not do. Don't you think that just implementing the laws will not solve the issue, rather guarding our borders better has to go hand in hand ? If not, the same illegal whom we deported will show up next door after a month. The extention of probably solving this problem would be to identify that very small fraction of people amongst them whose services are required by this country and legalize them ...don't you think ? If yes, don't you think the legal immigration process is in need of a major overhaul ? I can bet that if an illegal immigrant is explained what it takes to legalize himself under today's laws, he will prefer to remain illegal.

The irony is when we talk about immigration, we tend to concentrate on illegals ONLY. Has anyone ever looked into the issues with legal immigration laws in the US ? Bundling legal and illegal immigration into the immigration bill which never passed because of the emotions involved with the illegal portion of it is causing the legal immigrant community to go through a lot of hardships.

Originally Posted by zeezil

(il)legal alien: Instead of your anarchist views and demands that illegal behavior and activity be rewarded by America, just go back to your 3rd world haven and improve your and your compadres life there:

The population density of Latin America is less than that of the USA! There are only 561 million people in Latin America. Since Latin America has more than twice the land area of the USA but less than twice the population, they have more resources per capita than Americans do! In other words there is no reason they could not have a per-capita income and quality of life equal to Americans, except their style of government inhibits it!
So invaders, if you want prosperity, go fix your government and develop your own countries!!

And where did you say your ancestors came from and what legality they had when they arrived here ? Do not believe you are a decendant of the native indians (because you killed most of them and the remaining are alive in places called "reservations" assigned by the modern day "Americans" so that their species do not go "extinct"...so much for preserving the "culture of the land")

Legal, apparently, you do not understand any of this. We have laws on the books that are now being enforced, yet we still run up against opposition from the open border lobbyists. There is nothing wrong with our laws, it's the people running the show who need a minor adjustment. We legally allow millions of temporary workers into this country every year with proper documentation. The illegals are undermining that by coming here illegally and pushing the legal applicants to the side.

And, Legal, apparently you know nothing about American history. Perhaps you should go back and hit the books.

And where did you say your ancestors came from and what legality they had when they arrived here ? Do not believe you are a decendant of the native indians (because you killed most of them and the remaining are alive in places called "reservations" assigned by the modern day "Americans" so that their species do not go "extinct"...so much for preserving the "culture of the land")

And what would be the coherent translation for this babbling piece of drivel?

legal_alien wrote:

The irony is when we talk about immigration, we tend to concentrate on illegals ONLY. Has anyone ever looked into the issues with legal immigration laws in the US ? Bundling legal and illegal immigration into the immigration bill which never passed because of the emotions involved with the illegal portion of it is causing the legal immigrant community to go through a lot of hardships.

We who oppose ‘illegal’ immigration are able to clearly differentiate between ‘legal’ and ‘illegal.’ Those who profit from illegal aliens are responsible for any confusion that may exist.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Legal, apparently, you do not understand any of this. We have laws on the books that are now being enforced, yet we still run up against opposition from the open border lobbyists. There is nothing wrong with our laws, it's the people running the show who need a minor adjustment. We legally allow millions of temporary workers into this country every year with proper documentation. The illegals are undermining that by coming here illegally and pushing the legal applicants to the side.

I am trying to make the same point. The laws are there but not implemented, instead with the new immigration bill we are trying to "invent" more laws!! But my point also is why only talk of illegals ? Why doesn't America ever talk about legals ? Why do they go with what a certain person in CNN has to say about legal immigrants ? Why is American not over hauling the clauses in the legal immigration laws which all quaters, including law makers, corporate bodies, the government, the immigration law community agrees is NOT with the times ? Why is the legal immigrant here on a temporary basis and is trying to get his permanent legal status being made to wait for 10 years or beyond, all the while paying taxes, contributing to social security (the benefits of which he NEVER receives as he is not a permanent legal alien or a citizen) ?