Thread: Is Obama our best hope for fighting illegal immigration?

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

McCain, Hillary, and Obama are all equally bad on the issue of illegal immigration.

BINGO!

The positive thing about this thread, now that it doesn't appear to be a joke, is that it can become a repository of information pertaining to hi support of illgeal immigraiton.

Here is Obama's immigration Report Card:
D-

He would have receieved an F but obstained from many votes.

Here is everything he supports in a nutshell:
B. Hussein Obama Illegal Immigration Support

Short sweet answer to the title of the thread NO! NO Way!

Originally Posted by ReggieMay

This is precisely why we need to pay attention to candidates for Congress and Senate - we stopped Bush from enacting an amnesty and we can do it to these three amigos. Pressure on senate and congress is our only hope.

Right on the money, ReggieMay. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all open-borders Globalistas. Getting the best people elected and reelected in the House and Senate, should be our focus, in terms of national office in the '08 elections.

Does anyone get the feeling we no longer matter anymore?I read this site for quite some time before I signed up and I always felt like we made a impact. I watched William on television all the time and he doesn't seem to be invited anymore. McCain winning was when I realized how small our numbers really are. I'm always happy to see hundreds of visitors to ALIPAC but I remember a poll on here about presidential candidates and McCain and pro-amnesty democrats winning by a very large margin. That was when I realized most of the visitors are probalby trolls. Then the election in Illinois really got me upset. I know people who used to live in Hastert's district. It is very very republican and to see them reject a patriot was alarming. We're losing and I don't know when this change happened right under our noses.

What can we do because our old stuff isn't working. We need to do something otherwise this country will down faster than we ever thought possible.

bettsie, JMHO, the dems and the pubs are going to meet in the middle and kiss and make up. The two far ends are too extreme for corporate America and America's wordly interests. Communism on one end and Contitutionalism or conservitism on the other. Socialism or corporate fascism will be found in the middle. Some people believe that religion is doing the same thing, moving to the middle from both ends. Kinda like, "Can't we all just get along?" Gia worshipers and Protestants will be able to hug and embrace.

Not with a high caliber loaded gun to my head would I vote for Obama. He has consistently avoided giving firm positions on many important issues and has not been held accountable for those 'non-positions' in the media or by much of the public. As far as illegal immigration, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. There is NO WAY he will make sure the laws are enforced and the borders/ports of entry are secured. He will absolutely tax us to near death just like every other democrat president has done in my lifetime. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes, but I resent the hell out of taxes being raised on what little my husband and I make for our family of four while some folks, including illegal aliens are awarded with free health care, food stamps, and everything else with MY tax dollars and YOUR tax dollars. All this, while illegals and foreign visa holders are HERE doing jobs Americans once held. Illegal labor and outsourcing=the death of the middle-class American. I say this because I have absolutely NO FAITH that Obama will fix the problem. I have NO FAITH that Hillary Clinton will fix the problem. I have NO FAITH that John McCain will fix the problem. Having said that, I confess I have entertained the idea of voting for Hillary in the PRIMARY election simply to COUNTER AN OBAMA VOTE. My dislike and mistrust of Obama is that strong, and for many reasons other than and including illegal immigration. That's the only reason I would EVER give a vote to her and ONLY in the NC primary. I either will not vote for a presidential candidate in the general election or I will write someone in. In the meantime, I am focusing on State and local candidates that I believe will make good decisions for/with the average American- no matter WHO sits in the White House.

Originally Posted by Chexfive

Hey Fedup, Those aren't just black jobs dude, those are jobs of all americans. Obama is such a globalist there is no way he's going to do anything that goes against that agenda. Plus he wants to give $780 or $850 Billion dollars of "our" money to the UN to be re-distributed (or stolen) to 3rd world countries because it feels good and creates harmony in the world? And he wants to do it every year, go figure? Is that what the Presidents job is, to steal from us and give to others, while we are hurting here at home?
If Obama cares so much about these other countries why not run for President there? Why not work for the UN and leave the American citizens out of it? We are adults, we don't need people that think they know everything to take "our" money and re-distribute it to other people without our consent. If people want to donate their personal money to the cause of another nation, great! Go for it, just do it on your own dime and time, but leave my part here.

Better yet, just tell the crappy leaders of the desperate countries to ship up or shape out. Why is that politicians always feel the need to bully the tax payers but don't have enough gumption to tell the leaders of the crappy countries to make sacrifices or demand that the UN confiscate all the resources from the corrupt leaders? Its always us that have to pay and Americans are paid out. America is the poorest country in the world right now, we cannot afford to keep borrowing and giving. Its like using your credit card to get cash and then give it to your enemy or some bum. And your left paying for it for 4 more years with interest added on. These are totally stupid ideas. Most of these candidates and other politicians ideas are stupid to begin with, its just people are so brain washed into believing this crap, it truely amazes me.

If Obama cares about Americans he would be offering bills in the Senate right now to Shut Down NAFTA and get that border wall built right now. Why are all these candidates spewing that they will enforce the laws and secure our border when they are members of the Senate and they could be offering bills right now to get these things started RIGHT NOW! If it is so important why wait til they're elected? If they mean it, they should be pursing it right now. If I were running and I REALLY believed in securing the borders and stopping illegal immigration I wouldn't be waiting around. PLUS, I'd think me doing something RIGHT NOW in the Senate would bolster my arguement in my campaign by showing the people I have already STARTED my agenda, which is and should be about helping Americans first and law enforcement.

The candidates say we need to crack down on employers. Have you seen anyone of them of late sponsor or co-sponsor a bill reguarding these much needed mandates?

The candidates say they care about the workers and we have to let workers unionize and negotiate wages. Have you as of late seen any bills they have proposed to get this done?

Obama and Clinton say we must renegotiate NAFTA. Uh, I haven't heard one word of any bill that they have submitted for this to happen, have you?

Obama and Clinton say we need national healthcare. I haven't seen or heard of any bills to they have sponsored or co endorsed going through the senate, have you? In fact we have the gubbanatorial candidates here in North Carolina saying they will make their own healthcare plan for the residents of our state.

So, Lets see, these guys are in the Senate, the best thing they could do is be there making an effort to get these things they believe so much in done. All of America knows who the candidates are they don't need anymore face time. They are all on the Main stream media everyday and night, the newspapers print article after article about them, the radio is filled with talk show people and pundits all day long, everyone knows who they are. They need to stop the dog and pony show and show us with they're actions in the Senate. Wouldn't that be the best way to sway voters to vote for them by actually seeing the legislation that they are really proposing. Or does that expose the identity of the special interest and corporate campaign contributers and the favors they will recieve with the candidates legislation which is supposed to be for the good of the people? If the candidates are honest and up front, it only makes sense to go do their jobs and let the people see the job they are doing, then they might get a sense of what they are really about.

Right now all we are seeing is Main Stream Media Entertainment. Just a bunch of front end agendas that end a few blocks down the road of American prosperity, after that the substance turns into a dead end road or a dirt road to no where, at which point the candidates swiftly get out of the political car and jump into the lear jet with the breifcase full of the workers dollars and a 4 year stay in a luxury hotel.

We need detailed agendas that lead somewhere and can be cross checked and ran by the so called experts, the American people. Then we need transparency and in matters such as immigration which affects 300 million people we need a refferendum for the American people, this ain't Rome. Then we need a special force and a special court made of American citizens that constantly monitor all transactions of the government for crime and corruption. And when crime and corruption are found and the evidence is presented, it will be to a jury of American Born Citizens and they shall decide if the charges are true, or false and they shall set the penalty for the offense if one has been commited. The only way this country will ever work is if politicians and governments are held accountable. The government is so big (20 million people) that we need citizen review baords and oversight to keep government accountable to the people. Major police departments have them to keep corruption down in the police departments, and we can do the same in the political realm. If not, bye, bye America.

Exactly...And guess what religion, MUSLIM, most of the countries are that the UN will use our Money to support militant causes...from people who hate us.. Why is this our job? We need to "save" Americans.


The amount every year will be an ever rising % of USA's income.

He also is behind a movement to bring over a bunch of Muslims from Africa for Amnesty.

If you look at this guy's record, he is a Socialist through and through, while he lives in his $2 -$3 million Home in Chicago.


These politicians are all working for the Global Economy Plan. They want to Socialize us and control us.

Originally Posted by TEXLEGAL1

I noticed Mcamnesty was in Iraq today, I wonder what kind of reception the yellow belly Obama or Hillary would get if they were to visit? Neither one of them have the guts to show up there. Has either one visited our troops over there? just curious..

The answer to that question is pretty funny. Hilldawg briefly visited Iraq for a photo op. The soldier below was ordered by his superiors to shake Hilldawg's hand so he flashed the sign of "coercion" with his left hand, which he learned in survival school. This picture shows how much the military respects the Clintons.



Now back on topic. Based on Obama's rhetoric and voting record, he is the worst choice out of the three losers, but that doesn't mean we should vote for one of the other two losers. I'll either write in Tom Tancredo or vote for a third party candidate that supports attrition through enforcement and opposes any form of amnesty.

That picture is so funny....I will have to remember that sign of Coercion.