Thread: Conservative Candidate Doug Hoffman Supports Amnesty

Since this thread sorta burst my bubble about Hoffman, I did my own research and found the following:

Tuesday, October 20, 2009



Hoffman vs. Socialism [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


That's how a new Eagle Forum PAC ad in upstate New York puts the congressional election there:

"Barack Obama's Socialist agenda is bankrupting America. Can he be stopped? That's a question that north country and Central New York will answer on Election Day - because the only way to stop Obama is to elect someone who will stand up to him. And that's Doug Hoffman.

"Doug Hoffman is a CPA, a business owner and civic leader who's gained the attention of conservative activists across America. Why? Because Hoffman is the only one committed to fighting Obama's socialized medicine schemes and his big government bailouts. Only Hoffman will oppose Obama's radical green agenda. And Hoffman's the only one to take on Obama's assault on marriage and the unborn. Doug Hoffman backs your gun rights and only Doug Hoffman opposes amnesty and government handouts for illegal aliens.

"Doug Hoffman for Congress. Because if you want to stop Obama, elect someone who will stand up to him. And the only choice is Doug Hoffman. That's why Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum PAC paid for this ad and is solely responsible for its contents."

[url]http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjEwNTkxZDE4MjE4ZmVjOWZjYjc4YjFiNTk4NDgzMTM=

Originally Posted by snakeoil

Since this thread sorta burst my bubble about Hoffman, I did my own research and found the following:

Tuesday, October 20, 2009



Hoffman vs. Socialism [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


That's how a new Eagle Forum PAC ad in upstate New York puts the congressional election there:

"Barack Obama's Socialist agenda is bankrupting America. Can he be stopped? That's a question that north country and Central New York will answer on Election Day - because the only way to stop Obama is to elect someone who will stand up to him. And that's Doug Hoffman.

"Doug Hoffman is a CPA, a business owner and civic leader who's gained the attention of conservative activists across America. Why? Because Hoffman is the only one committed to fighting Obama's socialized medicine schemes and his big government bailouts. Only Hoffman will oppose Obama's radical green agenda. And Hoffman's the only one to take on Obama's assault on marriage and the unborn. Doug Hoffman backs your gun rights and only Doug Hoffman opposes amnesty and government handouts for illegal aliens.

"Doug Hoffman for Congress. Because if you want to stop Obama, elect someone who will stand up to him. And the only choice is Doug Hoffman. That's why Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum PAC paid for this ad and is solely responsible for its contents."

[url]http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjEwNTkxZDE4MjE4ZmVjOWZjYjc4YjFiNTk4NDgzMTM=

But he does support amnesty. Isn't this amnesty as we know it in his own words on his own website:

"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes."

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/i ... mmigration

That's McCain and Graham Shamnesty, i. e. Amnesty, right out of the National Council of La Raza and Club for Growth Amnesty Play Book. National Council of La Raza says "oh noes that's not amnesty, that's Comprehensive Immigration Reform."

Comprehensive Immigration Reform = Amnesty.

Doug Hoffman supports comprehensive immigration reform to legalize all illegal aliens so they can find a path to enter our country and work here and put Americans out of work as well as sign up for government handouts when they can't make ends meet on deflated or concealed cash wages. After all, when you've given them a "path to enter our country and work here", they're legal immigrants and entitled to every government handout we have available.

Hoffman isn't who you think he is.

From the rfirst link in your article, snakeoil:

"Spin from a debate we haven't even seen
JUDE SEYMOUR
First published: October 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Last modified: October 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm

"The WSYR Newschannel 9 debate between the three 23rd Congressional District candidates finished just about an hour ago - but Central and Northern New Yorkers won't see it until it airs at 7 p.m. tonight on that Syracuse station and WWTI MyABC50, Watertown.

"That time lag didn't stop Dede Scozzafava's campaign from declaring, yet again, that their candidate dominated when it came to the debate.

""Today, Bill Owens and Doug Hoffman showed voters who they really are: two multimillionaire peas in a multimillion dollar pod who are willing to do and say whatever it takes to get elected," said Matt Burns, spokesman for Dede for Congress, in a statement.

""Bill Owens unquestionably earned his endorsement from Governor Paterson this afternoon," Mr. Burns said. "Owens' vision for higher taxes and socialized medicine reinforce exactly why Nancy Pelosi is chomping at the bit to get him elected to Congress. Owens is a $750,000 a year trial lawyer who has lied throughout this campaign about creating 2,000 jobs. It's no wonder he's been running scared from debating Dede the past few months. The voters of this area are tired of tax and spend politicians like Bill Owens and they will reject his policies on November 3rd.

""It's disgraceful that Doug Hoffman came out of hiding only five days before the election to debate Dede, but judging from his performance today, I can understand why. Doug Hoffman likes to speak in platitudes and appear on cable television and talk radio, but he's unable to speak about the issues which matter most to the people of the 23rd Congressional District. His stubborn refusal to accept earmarks for worthwhile projects at Fort Drum could not only harm the men and women of our Armed Services, but could also jeopardize the future of Drum.

""Dede Scozzafava is the only candidate in this race who has a track record of getting things done for the people of Upstate New York. This afternoon, Dede clearly articulated her message for strengthening our economy, lowering taxes, and providing Fort Drum and the men and women of our Armed Services with the tools they need to protect our country. Dede's strong performance today demonstrated precisely why local Republican leaders, local elected officials, the National Rifle Association, and Newt Gingrich are supporting her candidacy.""

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And an interesting comment:

"Post-debate spin
JUDE SEYMOUR
First published: October 28, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Last modified: October 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm

"The public debate at SUNY Plattsburgh is over, and the campaign of Bill Owens, the Democrats' candidate in the 23rd Congressional District is the first out declaring victory.

"Tonight, Bill Owens made it clear that he is the only candidate in this race with a real plan to get Upstate New York's economy back on track," said Jon Boughtin, his spokesman, in a statement. "Both Republicans want to go back to the George Bush economic agenda despite the fact that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy would add $500 billion to a deficit that is already out of control. While neither Republican candidate has an alternative plan to get us out of this mess, Bill made clear that his priority is reducing the deficit, creating jobs and moving our economy forward. His experience helping create jobs, his plan to continue that work in Congress, and his commitment to reducing the deficit is what upstate New York needs right now to turn the page on the Bush economic agenda."

"Ms. Scozzafava's team is right behind.

"Watching Bill Owens on stage tonight made it abundantly clear why he's been dodging debates for the past few months, and why Governor Paterson is supporting his campaign," said Matt Burns, spokesman for Dede for Congress, in a statement. "Owens is wrong on the economy, wrong on healthcare, wrong on Afghanistan, and he's clueless about issues important to residents of Upstate New York - but what do you expect from a $750,000 a year lawyer? Owens also failed to account for the 2,000 jobs which he claimed to create for this area. Above all, Owens demonstrated that he's unfit to serve this community in our nation's capitol. It's a disservice to voters that tonight's debate - only six days before the election - is the first of just two occasions where Owens will directly address questions by the people of Upstate New York."

""It's deeply troubling that Doug Hoffman failed to show up to tonight's debate, especially since he was only minutes away from the SUNY Plattsburgh campus" said Assemblywoman Janet L. Duprey, R-Peru. "With only six days left until the election, voters know absolutely nothing about Doug Hoffman other than what we've seen on 30-second television ads produced by special interest groups in Washington, DC. It's high time that Doug Hoffman comes out of hiding and starts answering questions about issues that matter most to voters of the 23rd Congressional District. Would Doug Hoffman cut funding for Fort Drum? Will Hoffman explain his flip-flopping on earmarks? Will Doug Hoffman heed the calls of GOP leaders to withdraw from the race and endorse Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava?"

"Personally, I think the real victors were the potential voters who got to question Mr. Owens and Republican Dede Scozzafava on the issues important to them. I tuned in only briefly, but I heard some good questions about health care and schools.

"Tonight's losers? The people who may be considering voting for Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman and came to see what he was all about. He didn't show as expected."

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/section/blogs09

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Hoffman didn't show up for the debate. He's a flip-flopper. He's a free trade traitor. He's a liar. He's a multi-millionaire money manager. He's backed by globalists. And he supports amnesty and more immigration.

Seems to me Hoffman is the perfect profile of the flops we don't want in the US Congress, no matter what party he flips to.



I know it's disappointing when people you think and hope may be the answer and they turn out only to be more wolves in sheep's clothing. But there is no doubt at all, none whatsoever, that Hoffman will support amnesty and expanded free trade policy. How he deceived the Minuteman PAC into believing otherwise is something they'll have to explain to their contributors and supporters.

In this battle, we know that when you support a "path" for more immigrants to enter and work here, and only want to enforce laws against "criminal illegal aliens", then you support Amnesty, Shamnesty and Comprehensive Immigration Reform. We also know that when you oppose government handouts to illegal aliens but support a path for more immigrants to enter and work here, that you support government handouts to illegal aliens you've legalized through that "path".

Judy,
THANK YOU for pointing that out - before I sent him any money. Can't trust any of these rascals.

Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum is adamantly opposed to any type of amnesty. Surely they checked this out, yet Mr. Hoffman's words lead us to believe something else.

Psalm 139:14

Originally Posted by EuropeanDescendant

Judy,
THANK YOU for pointing that out - before I sent him any money. Can't trust any of these rascals.

You're most welcome, and no we can't trust any of these rascals. I feel sorry for people who may have already donated to his campaign based on these false advertisements and phony endorsements. They're mincing the word "amnesty" with the reality of Shamnesty and Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

I say give the guy a chance to rectify and clarify his stance, maybe at the time he put that statement up he wanted to pander a little bit.... I'm pretty sure that we do have some candidates that are going to pop up and take advantage of the disenfranchisement. And don't forget we have people that always say that they are for amnesty but vote against it, when the people turn up the pressure. But we need his campaign office and Hoffman to let us know if he will be tough and change and retract his statements or if he stands by those values.

Sure give the guy a chance to clarify his positions. Give Dede a chance to correct the lies he told about her. Hey! Have a debate, a face-off, let the audience ask questions. Oh wait ... they did. Last night. Hoffman didn't show up even though he lives only a few minutes from where the debate was held which was outside the NY 23rd district and Dede and Bill Owen had to travel quite a ways to get there. Dede's wanted several debates but neither of her millionaire opponents wanted debates. She finally got one last night, but Doug Hoffman didn't show up.

I don't think he wants a face off on the issues.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by snakeoil

Since this thread sorta burst my bubble about Hoffman, I did my own research and found the following:

Tuesday, October 20, 2009



Hoffman vs. Socialism [Kathryn Jean Lopez]


That's how a new Eagle Forum PAC ad in upstate New York puts the congressional election there:

"Barack Obama's Socialist agenda is bankrupting America. Can he be stopped? That's a question that north country and Central New York will answer on Election Day - because the only way to stop Obama is to elect someone who will stand up to him. And that's Doug Hoffman.

"Doug Hoffman is a CPA, a business owner and civic leader who's gained the attention of conservative activists across America. Why? Because Hoffman is the only one committed to fighting Obama's socialized medicine schemes and his big government bailouts. Only Hoffman will oppose Obama's radical green agenda. And Hoffman's the only one to take on Obama's assault on marriage and the unborn. Doug Hoffman backs your gun rights and only Doug Hoffman opposes amnesty and government handouts for illegal aliens.

"Doug Hoffman for Congress. Because if you want to stop Obama, elect someone who will stand up to him. And the only choice is Doug Hoffman. That's why Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum PAC paid for this ad and is solely responsible for its contents."

[url]http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjEwNTkxZDE4MjE4ZmVjOWZjYjc4YjFiNTk4NDgzMTM=

Hoffman isn't who you think he is.

Maybe he isn't but as you say he's lying about amnesty it's quite feasible that Dede is, too. At least Hoffman isn't endorsed by ACORN fronts. From the article:

Recently, Michelle Malkin reported on a scandal brewing in President Obama’s other party, the Working Families Party.

The Working Families Party, an ACORN front group whose ballot line Newt Gingrich-endorsed radical leftist Dede Scozzafava has embraced on multiple occasions, is up to no good again.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/

I should have added this for clarification.

She isn't endorsed by ACORN "fronts". That's a lie. The Working Families Party endorsed Bill Owen, the Democratic candidate, on October 9, 2009. I posted that already but here it is again, straight from their website in their own words:

http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/200 ... -in-ny-23/

"WFP Endorses Bill Owens for Congress in NY-23
"Military veteran and proven job-creator will put the interests of North Country working families first

"October 9th, 2009
"Elections 2009, NY-23

"Bill Owens, the WFP nominee for Congress in NY-23

"NEW YORK - Today, the New York Working Families Party announced its endorsement of candidate Bill Owens in the special election for New York’s 23rd Congressional District.

"Rick Oppedisano, Co-Chair of the Central New York Working Families Chapter, offered the following statement about the endorsement:

"“In this economic crisis, the North Country needs a champion in Congress who will put people before politics.

"Bill Owens knows how to create jobs because he has already helped bring more than 2,000 of them to upstate New York. And when it comes to stopping the outsourcing of work, he’s gone above and beyond by pushing to expand promising new green industries and working to bring economic opportunities back into the U.S. from Canada.

"As a military veteran and a proven job-creator, we know Bill Owens will put the interests of local working families first.â€