Thread: ID Card for Workers Is at Center of Immigration Plan

Originally Posted by judyweller

Originally Posted by Populist

Originally Posted by jean

Originally Posted by Populist

We need to strengthen E-Verify (which is already being done), pass the SAVE Act, send out the "no-match" letters, and restart workplace raids.

THIS will stop illegal immigration -- without the need for a national biometric card and all the implications and unintended consequences thereof.

Schumer and Graham are really playing a cynical, deceptive game here -- wanting to impinge on our privacy to try to peddle mass amnesty -- after Obama has stopped almost all effective enforcement while leaving the borders widely open.

Well stated Populist!

Thanks Jean. This is really unbelievable: Schumer and Graham want us to be fingerprinted and our veins scanned so he can amnesty millions of illegal aliens.

I have a better idea: ENFORCE CURRENT LAW.

The problem with enforcing the current law even with E-Verify is that illegals steal SS numbers that are VALID - they don't show up on E-VERIFY.

How do you plan to fix that problem? HOw are you going to deal with stolen ID and Stolen valid SS numbers if you don't have fingerprints on file in the form of biometric ID.

Remember only a valid citizen, legal immigrant or refugee would get a biometic ID. NO BIOMETRIC ID = no job.

How do you fix that problem? Simple. Hire US Citizens and Deport Illegal Aliens. It's not complicated. It's very simple.

Originally Posted by roundabout

judyweller, with all due respect, you do not understand the criminal mind, and you place way too much faith in our government and the monied interests.

If illegals are tagged as illegals now and not deported, why would you think tagging a legal will help?

It is possible with whatever type of ID to circumvent the system, even with biometrics. One only needs to know how and a little help. (This in time of course will end, by then we are all in big trouble) With an accomplice many things are possible.

Enforce the laws on the books, why give more liberty to despots?

Do you really think it will stop with biometrics? The government will just leave us all alone?

It is my understanding that biometrics will HAVE FINGERPRINTS - and you can match what is on the card with the individuals hand. Then companies will have no excuse for hiring illegals.

I do agree that as illegals are ferreted out we need to ensure that they are deported and not allowed to spend years in the court system.

Biometric Cards are D.O.A.
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by Rick Oltman on Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:25 am

Can you say DOA? Because that’s going to be the outcome for the new tamperproof “biometric cardâ€

Originally Posted by judyweller

Originally Posted by roundabout

judyweller, with all due respect, you do not understand the criminal mind, and you place way too much faith in our government and the monied interests.

If illegals are tagged as illegals now and not deported, why would you think tagging a legal will help?

It is possible with whatever type of ID to circumvent the system, even with biometrics. One only needs to know how and a little help. (This in time of course will end, by then we are all in big trouble) With an accomplice many things are possible.

Enforce the laws on the books, why give more liberty to despots?

Do you really think it will stop with biometrics? The government will just leave us all alone?

It is my understanding that biometrics will HAVE FINGERPRINTS - and you can match what is on the card with the individuals hand. Then companies will have no excuse for hiring illegals.

I do agree that as illegals are ferreted out we need to ensure that they are deported and not allowed to spend years in the court system.

Judyweiler, if the US government can catch 30 million illegal aliens to take their fingerprints and scan them onto an ID card, then they can catch 30 million illegal aliens and deport them. Employers already know who is or is not an illegal alien.

There are not anywhere 30 million illegal aliens. Inflating figures does not make anyone more patriotic.

There are Puerto Rican who are citizens that can not speak English. There are Southwestern families here since it was Spain who do not speak it fluently. Language ability is not a proof.

The only way to detect whether a person with a particular name is a legal immigrant is by checking federal records but there is no way to know that a person presenting valid papers is the same person whose name is on the valid papers without some form of empirical proof.

Airborne, the money issue is also right on. We discussed this in our home lastnight. The feds are cutting all sorts of money, states are cutting school days, so how can they afford to spend anything on this? Furthermore, with all of the financial issues this nation is having, and states going belly up, could you imagine the unbelievable outcry by Americans on a nationwide level, and within their own states, about the cost?

As well, Richard and all who think it is good. Not one of us are asking anyone who is not a believer in Biblical prophecy to suddenly believe, but please re-think this on a realistic level. Once they have this kind of control of your information, what is stopping them (feds) from using it to track all of you when you participate in protests such as the Tea Party protests?

Remember the DHS's report on "right wing extremists"? WE are those people to them, and in this biometric ID, the devil is in the details, literally. Scenario, after scenario follows in so many peoples mind, of how this could be easily abused by this government.

We are not lemmings, we do not have to blindly run with the masses to our death (loss of freedoms). We can say no and ask them to simply start securing the borders, the VERY thing ALIPAC began to fight for, the reason we are all here.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Why would anyone want to give Janet Napolitano and the SPLC and ADL left wing smear groups access to more information and power over American citizens?

Did some of you miss the Homeland Security documents circulated to police warning police across America that those of you concerned about illegal immigration are to be treated as suspected domestic terrorists?

Did you miss those documents? Did you miss all the news stories about Michael Chertoff and Janet Napolitano putting pressure on members of Congress to pass this nation destroying Amnesty legislation???

You would give these people more information and power over us all?

You would give these people more information and power over Congress? Yes, that's right.... members of Congress being asked to choose between their constituents (You) and the elitist plans being pushed by the chiefs of secret police (Chertoff and Napolitano) will now have all their travels and associations logged with Napolitano and her successors.

We had a lot of people in our movement pushing for Real ID four years ago and since then the THEORY that Real ID was designed to stop illegals HAS BEEN DESTROYED.

Even now, they are talking about giving all the illegals biometric ID just like for you and your children, HOW CAN ANYONE BE THAT BLIND?

At this point, if you support national tracking biometric ID you are thus supporting the plans of the CFR and the brewing Amnesty legislation.

Is there anyone here among us willing to stand up and openly support this component of the amnesty bill?

ALIPAC opposes Amnesty and we oppose big brother invasive technologies just like it says in our Platform.

Those of you supporting biometrics need to make up your mind right now who's side you are on.

Either the side of the American public or the side of the people pushing that Amnesty bill and the biometric tracking ID.

W

There is reasonable room for debate as to what form of biometrics but without any the effort to enforce laws so as to force illegal aliens out and allow citizens and legal immigrants to remain is doomed to failure.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by judyweller

Originally Posted by roundabout

judyweller, with all due respect, you do not understand the criminal mind, and you place way too much faith in our government and the monied interests.

If illegals are tagged as illegals now and not deported, why would you think tagging a legal will help?

It is possible with whatever type of ID to circumvent the system, even with biometrics. One only needs to know how and a little help. (This in time of course will end, by then we are all in big trouble) With an accomplice many things are possible.

Enforce the laws on the books, why give more liberty to despots?

Do you really think it will stop with biometrics? The government will just leave us all alone?

It is my understanding that biometrics will HAVE FINGERPRINTS - and you can match what is on the card with the individuals hand. Then companies will have no excuse for hiring illegals.

I do agree that as illegals are ferreted out we need to ensure that they are deported and not allowed to spend years in the court system.

Judyweiler, if the US government can catch 30 million illegal aliens to take their fingerprints and scan them onto an ID card, then they can catch 30 million illegal aliens and deport them. Employers already know who is or is not an illegal alien.

My understanding is that Illegals will NOT get biometric cards- it is for citizens, legal immigrants etc. --i.e. those legally present in the US - thus is you apply for work and don't have a biometric card NO JOB FOR YOU - this should lead to a call for ICE and deportation.

These cards are no more an infringement on a our privacy and full body scanners at the airport. Get used to - all of this is coming real and we should be grateful for our national security and our ability to get illegals deported.

On the flip side this use of biometrics could be anything from picture IDs to RFID chip injections at some point it does get too invasive. I have no problem with photos on Social Security cards I know that my fingerprints are on file. I feel a little nervous with retina scans but some jobs require that already. If it comes to RFID I would take to the streets or the hills.