Thread: God and illegal immigration!

Originally Posted by retro

Just know that Christ has forgiven all of us. Our stay on earth is really just a visit. I don't know why you guys are all focused on making other people's lives miserable... You have enough to spend, enough to eat. What you need to worry about is the things the Lord has promised you in Heaven. Maybe then, you wouldn't be so focused on nativism.

In your first rebuttle to me,please let me know where I made mention of ANY race or nationality.Where did I mention ANYTHING about illegals being gangmembers?I SAID THEY CAME OVER THE BORDER, NOT A RACE OR NATIONALITY MENTIONED IN MY POST AT ALL,NOR DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEM BEING GANGMEMBERS-YOU DID THOUGH.
SOME PAY TAXES,WOW thats big of them.

Why are you focused on fighting for people who are criminals?Why not help the homeless?Why not join a charity and actually go to countries that have REAL poverty?How about Darfur?Get a part time job and donate ALL the paychecks to your chosen cause?Maybe let a few live in your house?Why not try to explain to illegals how to help their native countries by staying and fighting to right them?

Don't think no one has noticed how you are evading answering the valid points made by everyone Your excuse of "can't reply to all the posts" sorta loses its bite seeing how you actually ARE answering most every one.
You know you are wrong on defending criminals aka illegals and NEVER rebut all the good and valid points made here.YOU KNOW WE ARE RIGHT AND SO DO WE.
The name calling isn't neccesary-nativist-thats not a crime,you know, like illegal immigration.

May The Lord Jesus bless you.

Rawhide!

Originally Posted by Rawhide

Originally Posted by retro

Just know that Christ has forgiven all of us. Our stay on earth is really just a visit. I don't know why you guys are all focused on making other people's lives miserable... You have enough to spend, enough to eat. What you need to worry about is the things the Lord has promised you in Heaven. Maybe then, you wouldn't be so focused on nativism.

In your first rebuttle to me,please let me know where I made mention of ANY race or nationality.Where did I mention ANYTHING about illegals being gangmembers?I SAID THEY CAME OVER THE BORDER, NOT A RACE OR NATIONALITY MENTIONED IN MY POST AT ALL,NOR DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEM BEING GANGMEMBERS-YOU DID THOUGH.
SOME PAY TAXES,WOW thats big of them.

Why are you focused on fighting for people who are criminals?Why not help the homeless?Why not join a charity and actually go to countries that have REAL poverty?How about Darfur?Get a part time job and donate ALL the paychecks to your chosen cause?Maybe let a few live in your house?Why not try to explain to illegals how to help their native countries by staying and fighting to right them?

Don't think no one has noticed how you are evading answering the valid points made by everyone Your excuse of "can't reply to all the posts" sorta loses its bite seeing how you actually ARE answering most every one.
You know you are wrong on defending criminals aka illegals and NEVER rebut all the good and valid points made here.YOU KNOW WE ARE RIGHT AND SO DO WE.
The name calling isn't neccesary-nativist-thats not a crime,you know, like illegal immigration.

May The Lord Jesus bless you.

Rawhide!

If you read my posts you'd know that I don't support criminal illegals, only the good ones.

"you knwo we are right, and so do we"? sure, think that if you want to. i really dun think like that

i am actually tired to reading the posts with the same arguments. i do have a life, and i cant be responding to every single point people make. it's difficult, which is why i pick whatever that stands out and respond to that. sorry, but im just human, in case you've forgotten.

and you should really stop trying to make others miserable. God's blessed you with many blessings, and you should share them.

Lay up treasures in heaven, and not on earth. Treasures on earth are corruptible, but what you do for God will be worth much more. i think there's a verse in romans that said 'everything you do, do it for the glory of God'.

are you guys glorifying God by making others miserable all in the name of man's laws?

which is why i am content with what i'm faced with. God will deliver me out of this one day, if he chooses to. i can stay illegal for the rest of my life and i'll be happy serving the Lord that way. at least i'm not out there trying to make ppl's lives miserable. but i'm only a kid so there's only so much i can do.

you guys can ignore the Bible all you want. i know that you're reading the same things and you understand what God meant when he said it. then you let your biases and sin take over and give it a spin so that it will fit your needs.

good day everybody, and i hope that you'll someday understand that not all illegal aliens are the horrendous criminals you say we are. some of them do love the Lord with all their hearts. God made us all the same, and we're not perfect when it comes to major life decisions. so stop with all the "we're right and you're wrong" arguments because you don't know if you are right or if you are wrong.

Again -avoiding and evading.Notice you had no response to ANY of my points made to you.I notice on your last post you mention you are a kid,I now understand why you don't make any arguements.
Keep popping on to say how tired you are of reading the same responses, when the whole thing was started by you and your desire to discuss the Bible.Almost everyone here brought up different passages to debate with you -You were the one to keep at only one passage-you are the one-trick-pony - not us.

Remember what the Lord said-"Give unto Caesar what is his and give unto God that which is Gods"- even God says to obey the gov't's laws as well as His ways.
I have made no one miserable,I treat everyone with respect as we all should,but it is all humans duty to obey the laws as well.I am not cruel or derisive to shoplifters or carjackers but I still want the laws enforced against them,the same goes for illegals.The carjacker just wants a better ride than he has,why not let him keep the car?Same with the shoplifter-they just wanted new clothes,maybe they had a job interview.Crime is crime and it ALL needs to be punished,no matter the sob story.

You keep mentioning how we have so much and should give it to whoever can get themselves here and take it,that is a scary attitude to have-deciding who has had enough and should have it taken from them to "share" with whoever deems themselves deserving. Sounds like maybe communism/socialism is for you at the very least it sounds like an entitlement attitude.

You have to abide by ALL Gods rules not just pick and choose,which is a problem I see in alot of people. I truly hope you keep reading the Bible and grow to know God better and better.

I think you really need to find a site more suitable to you.... You are just so neck deep in this whole Illegal Immigrant thing... we are not talking just onesies and twosies .... we are talking millionsies and millionsies and many of the millionsies are backrupting this country... I refuse to pull out of my pocket any more than I am and thats exactly what it would take to give you and these people what they want...

when a boat sinks... and this one is sinking from the sheer weight of the illegal immigrants.... the life rafts only hold so many

retro, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

Yes, we should all do what we can to help others but when millions of people are entering another country (any country) illegally, something has to be done to stop it.

God knows and understands that there must be law and order in the world. He tells us to obey our laws because he knows that it is necessary to have law and order.

People should respect the laws of their own country and if they do that they most likely will respect the laws of other countries regarding their decisions and actions.

[quote="LegalUSCitizen"]retro, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

Yes, we should all do what we can to help others but when millions of people are entering another country (any country) illegally, something has to be done to stop it.

At this times and the conditions that our country is in, we need controlled immigration. We cannot absorb umlimited amount of poor people pouring into the country. We do not have the resources to handle it and no country does.

God knows and understands that there must be law and order in the world. He tells us to obey our laws because he knows that it is necessary to have law and order.

GOD was the first to set up laws and boundaries because as the population grew, he saw a need for it. The tower of Babel where he confused the people and they were separated. When man's law is obeyed, GOD's laws are abeyed because he allows for countries to set up governments to set those laws. Can you imagine the chaos that would exist if there were no laws or boundaries?

People should respect the laws of their own country and if they do that they most likely will respect the laws of other countries regarding their decisions and actions.


The voting system has been set up do deal with laws that are not wanted, but if you do not have a right to be in this country, you do not have a say in which laws are to be obeyed and which ones are not. I you want laws to be changes then you should go home and demostrate, protest or vote to have those laws changed for the better of the country and the people

Originally Posted by retro

Originally Posted by Gogo

Retro said:





If they continue in the country illegally, they are sinning against Romans 13:1-5. They are continuing to sin. Period.

A great pastor I've known since 1972 had an illegal couple in his church. He called them in when he was told of the situation. He told them they
could no longer attend or be members of the church based on their disobeying the laws of our land and Romans 13:1-5. He told them that if their US employers would sponsor them, the church would be a reference for them, BUT they must return to their country and come in legally. If they didn't, they were not allowed to worship in their church because they would be continuing to sin. PERIOD. He is also the President of a theological school in southern California. That couple obey God's word, the laws of this land and are now citizens with free conscience before God and before the authorities of this land.

Another well-known pastor and President of Dallas Theological School holds the same view.

Quit making excuses for your friends. You would be a better friend if you held to the truth of the Word and helped them as Pastor John MacArthur did. If they don't obey that I truly question their profession. And don't give me the don't judge bit. John says "we will know them by the fruit of their lives." If there is no change its bogus.

And you too, continue to sin everyday, just like everyone else. Pastors are humans too. Some let illegals worship, some don't.

Did God ever turn anyone away when they seek him for sanctuary? If he did, we'd all be in hell by now.

Give me ONE instance where GOD gave anyone other than an accidental manslaughter sanctuary?

SANCTUARY AND CITIES OF REFUGE;

The Sanctuary is a part of Temple or the Synagogue and has nothing to do with a place to harboring criminals as in the churches of today.

Jehovah’s arrangement for the protection of unintentional manslayers was from the so-called cities of refuge and other sanctuaries set up by ancient pagan nations and by Christendom’s churches down through he ages.
The latter sanctuaries offered shelter for criminals of every sort along with the innocent, and encouraged wanton killing. Israel cities of refuge gave protection to only the innocent and then only under restrictions, thus promoted respect for the sanctity of life.

There is no sanctuary in a place of worship for an illegal alien, who is a criminal because they have broken the law of our land, to take refuge from prosecution.

Section 274 felonies under the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

A place set apart for the worship of God or of gods, a holy place.
1 Chron 22;19. Isa 16;12. Ezek 28;18. Amos 7;9,13. Deut 12;11.

Cities of refuge were established by God where unintentional manslayer could go for protection from those who wanted to take revenge.
Deut 19;4,5. Num 35;6-22. Josh 20;2-9.

Jobs that our teenagers and students used to do like fast food resturants, stockers and baggers in supermarkets, etc are not being held by head of house holder of illegal alliens. But things are changing with the raids, arrest and deportations, you are seeing more american teenagers doing those jobs again. These are the jobs they say americans will not do and they were done by our american unskilled.

We've all given retro good sound scriptural basis for the wrong doing of continuing as an illegal alien in the country. We've given God's scripture and our laws. Retro does not want the truth. He/she wants only a portion of the truth and wants to take it out of context to justify his/her residing here illegally by disobeying God's law and man's law.

With a closed mind their will be no growth spiritually or humanly. It's sad really. It's like a person who has a pain goes to the the doctor and the doctor says kindly, "don't worry put the ointment on in the morning and evening and place warm compresses on it three times a day. Take this pill for the pain and see me in three days.

The only problem with the scenario is the person doesn't just have a minor infection he has flesh eating bacteria and is dead in three days. If he had gone to the doctor and "truth with kindness" was given he would be told, "I'm sorry but this is serious. We will probably have to remove your leg from the knee down to save your life. We need to get into surgery immediately. If we don't you will probably be dead in three days."

The first doctor was kind and soothing but not telling the person the truth that could cost him his life. The second doctor told him the truth, which was hard to hear, but his kindness WAS telling him the truth that his skill was needed and probably would save his life.

retro I'll be praying for you that God will send conviction to your heart. That He will give you the courage to do what is right by the laws of this land and right in God's eyes. Romans 13:1-5 (again). It won't be easy, like the person with flesh eating bacteria, but I truly believe that God will bless you if you obey our laws.

retro wrote:

good day everybody, and i hope that you'll someday understand that not all illegal aliens are the horrendous criminals you say we are.

Horrendous, maybe not, but you're all criminals in my book. For the record, can you identify one instance on ALIPAC where someone specifically said, all illegal aliens are "horrendous" criminals?

I'll leave you with this parting shot:

[quote]Immigration, The Catholic Bishops, and the Misuse of Scripture
At the website of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, we read:

Why is the Catholic Church involved in the immigration issue? There are several reasons the Catholic Church is involved in the immigration debate. The Old and New Testaments, as well as the encyclicals of the Popes, form the basis for the Church’s position. In Gospel of Matthew, Jesus calls upon us to “welcome the stranger,â€