Thread: I Was Wrong About Ron Paul On Immigration

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

Here StokeyBob,

This is an American kitty having a conversation with the (Snip...)...

Classic. Have you seen this one yet.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Could be exactly why a lot of people here wants the government to build the wall, put our federal troops on the border, and support candidates affiliated with CFR. With Ron Paul the private sector can build the wall and maintain it, maybe even with a toll on the traffic crossing the border. I know Ron Paul wants the goods to move freely in this case since we are under invasion a toll to maintain the wall may be in order. Recall when our highways and roads were all built by the private sector with tolls IMO that is the way to go, no taxes you pay as you travel!

Are you saying we should put corporate America in charge of border security?

The States (I know they're overwhelmed by the invasion), are a possibliity, or more importantly the private sector can build and do the maintenance for the wall. Border security whether State or Federal can work in cooporation with the private sector who builds the wall. Ideally I would rather have the private sector also guard the border injustly they would be overwhelmed with law suits.

Great photos .

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

Here StokeyBob,

This is an American kitty having a conversation with the Federal government...

AHHHH, poor kitty!!

Originally Posted by sturmruger

The States (I know they're overwhelmed by the invasion), are a possibliity, or more importantly the private sector can build and do the maintenance for the wall. Border security whether State or Federal can work in cooporation with the private sector who builds the wall. Ideally I would rather have the private sector also guard the border injustly they would be overwhelmed with law suits.

We could possibly have the private sector build and maintain the fence so long as they are contracted by state or federal gov't. However, this has drawbacks as well. And we have certainly seen this in the cases of Haliburton and Blackwater. Even the NAFTA super highway is starting as a government owned highway being sold to a private Spanish contractor. So, I would be pretty leary of privitization. Its not as "efficient" as its backers always claim. And not all private contractors are "American." Many are global. Lou Dobbs lays this out in his latest book.

Originally Posted by StokeyBob

Originally Posted by Bren4824

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Ron Paul voted against employer accountability/verification systems.

I think the verification systems he voted against scare him. As they do many others.

We have a pretty good identification system that has worked for a long time with our State drivers licenses and birth certificates. It works for those that want it to work. Any plan in the hands of the devious will fail if it furthers their purpose.

I listened to most Ron Paul interviews this past year and don't recall the question of employer accountability/sanctions coming up once. So I can't answer this for certain.

I do know he is deadset against the REAL I.D. He does not want a national ID card (for privacy reasons) and he doesn't think it would matter to illegal immigrants. I'm with him on this one. "Papers please!"

Going out on a limb, I would bet he would say he prefers to leave it up to the states to design/implement any employer sanctions for hiring illegals. ie: Arizona's new legislation going into effect. He is a true federalist and thinks the states can best design these programs. I have no problem with this. If you are a federalist, then you would have to argue that is the preferred method.

He has also said that illegals are able to work for less money; because we subsidize them via healthcare, welfare, etc. That we encourage the practice via these subsidies.

Originally Posted by Martha

I just watched Ron Paul on Becks show again. I do like him and think he has some outstanding ideas, his foreign policy doesn't worry me as much as the drug legalization. However, illegal immigration is my number one issue and according to the last analysis by Numbers USA, his voting record is not so good. He is poor on reducing legal, poor on chain migration and punishing employers, and drivers licenses for illegals.
See for yourself. http://www.betterimmigration.com/candid ... _gop1.html

Martha, did you see Paul on Meet the press this morning?

Ron Paul is for stopping birthright citizenship, he is for closeing the border with the national guard and Border Patrol, she said alot of people have been quoting him from before 9/11 and your stances change when circumstances change, now he does not believe in educating illegals, a (huge problem in our schools) cutting off all welfare progarms and medical because our hopitals are going broke...The main thing with me is he is a big believer in the constitution( which is the reason our country is so great) most polictians would like to burn it. He also would listen to the voice of the people and go with the majority because he believes this is what our founding fathers believed was best for America....and I agree!

Originally Posted by specsaregood

Originally Posted by StokeyBob

Originally Posted by Bren4824

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Ron Paul voted against employer accountability/verification systems.

I think the verification systems he voted against scare him. As they do many others.

We have a pretty good identification system that has worked for a long time with our State drivers licenses and birth certificates. It works for those that want it to work. Any plan in the hands of the devious will fail if it furthers their purpose.

I listened to most Ron Paul interviews this past year and don't recall the question of employer accountability/sanctions coming up once. So I can't answer this for certain.

I do know he is deadset against the REAL I.D. He does not want a national ID card (for privacy reasons) and he doesn't think it would matter to illegal immigrants. I'm with him on this one. "Papers please!"

Going out on a limb, I would bet he would say he prefers to leave it up to the states to design/implement any employer sanctions for hiring illegals. ie: Arizona's new legislation going into effect. He is a true federalist and thinks the states can best design these programs. I have no problem with this. If you are a federalist, then you would have to argue that is the preferred method.

He has also said that illegals are able to work for less money; because we subsidize them via healthcare, welfare, etc. That we encourage the practice via these subsidies.

I think you're absolutely right in interpreting Paul's thoughts on this matter. If he was President, all he can do is reign in the federal spending on these programs. Then States such as mine, cannot declare a state of emergency and demand federal funds for all these entitlement programs, when they get themselves in trouble. I'm in CA.
Paul is not my number one candidate, but we certainly could do worse. I like many of his ideas.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by sturmruger

The States (I know they're overwhelmed by the invasion), are a possibliity, or more importantly the private sector can build and do the maintenance for the wall. Border security whether State or Federal can work in cooporation with the private sector who builds the wall. Ideally I would rather have the private sector also guard the border injustly they would be overwhelmed with law suits.

We could possibly have the private sector build and maintain the fence so long as they are contracted by state or federal gov't. However, this has drawbacks as well. And we have certainly seen this in the cases of Haliburton and Blackwater. Even the NAFTA super highway is starting as a government owned highway being sold to a private Spanish contractor. So, I would be pretty leary of privitization. Its not as "efficient" as its backers always claim. And not all private contractors are "American." Many are global. Lou Dobbs lays this out in his latest book.

I agree and we need more oversight and accountability on any of these projects, when done by government or private, this ripping of Americans tax dollars has to stop.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by sturmruger

The States (I know they're overwhelmed by the invasion), are a possibliity, or more importantly the private sector can build and do the maintenance for the wall. Border security whether State or Federal can work in cooporation with the private sector who builds the wall. Ideally I would rather have the private sector also guard the border injustly they would be overwhelmed with law suits.

We could possibly have the private sector build and maintain the fence so long as they are contracted by state or federal gov't. However, this has drawbacks as well. And we have certainly seen this in the cases of Haliburton and Blackwater. Even the NAFTA super highway is starting as a government owned highway being sold to a private Spanish contractor. So, I would be pretty leary of privitization. Its not as "efficient" as its backers always claim. And not all private contractors are "American." Many are global. Lou Dobbs lays this out in his latest book.

If the federal government contracts the wall to the highest international bidder we may end up with a lot of illegals slipping though the cracks. Keep in mind if the CFR people get in office the fence will not be maintained or even built.

If the States contract the maintenance and construction of the wall where only local corporations can bid that may be better. Thanks to Reagan we are overwhelmed in the border states and that may not work.

Whether contracted out by Federal or State our Border security should be overlooking the process and maintenance to make sure illegals are not slipping through the cracks. I'm sure the Minutemen will be observing all activity with this task.

Ideally contracting the wall to the Minutemen paid for by tolls from the trade transits would be best. The litigation involved may halt opperations or maintenance. Would be nice if only the different Minutemen groups would be able to bid!