Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

I've uploaded three new docs on Scribd.com. The first two I thought I had already done. The third is a new interview of Andy Martin article by the Post & Email.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31176946/Stan ... ce-8-20-80

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31176827/Stan ... ce-1-23-64

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31177531/Shar ... or-Accused

Apparently, Andy Martin has been working the Hawaii connection for some long time. Could have fooled me - I had no idea what he was doing. The article is fairly long (and that's why I didn't post it here) but is quite interesting.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

I understand what the implications are and why the old Fathers wanted a natural born citizen. I did not realize that the qualifications have been under attack before.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

One question your honor...WHY did they want this law passed?

Oh ya... it must be to protect McCanin.... Just shoot me in the head...

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Don't be shot, but you're right.

One John McCain supporter, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, famously says, "Amend the Constitution."

Actually, someone in Congress attempts to weaken the natural born citizen requirement every year, not just for the current usurper. Examples are Senator Orrin Hatch's "Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment" (2004 - "the Arnold bill") and Sen. Don Nickles' "Natural Born Citizen Act.".

In 2004, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee held Hearings on "Maximizing Voter Choice: Opening the Presidency to Naturalized Americans," where Syracuse University Professor John Yinger presented his written statement, "A Simple Matter of Equal Rights: Let Naturalized Citizens Run for President."

The 2006 Chicago-Kent Law Review published [url=http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=4078]an article advocating doing away with the “natural born citizenâ€

People were so unhappy with Bush that foreigners were actually toying with the idea that they should get a say in our presidential election.

http://tinyurl.com/24f4nlb
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0325-13.htm

And look what happened in a mock poll.
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results

Dr. Ron "Polarik" posted four ten minute clips on April 30, 2010.

FRAUD IN THE USA: The end of the birth certificate controversy
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February 14, 2010
A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins
By Jack Cashill

Last week I contributed an article to American Thinker on Obama's origins that evoked a good deal of informed response. In it, I argued that the failure of the mainstream media to document the first year of Barack Obama's life has rendered the media accounts of the year before his birth suspect.

Here is what we know about Obama's first year. On August 19, 1961, fifteen days after Obama's presumed birth, his mother, "Stanley Ann Dunham," enrolled for classes at the University of Washington at Seattle.

The apolitical Washington State historical blog HistoryLink confirms Ann's arrival in August 1961, identifies her Capitol Hill apartment in Seattle, names the courses she took, and documents an extended stay by Ann and little Obama into the summer of 1962.

Incredibly, not one of the mainstream media accounts I consulted -- including four book-length biographies, several long-form magazine and newspaper bios, Obama's official campaign biography, and Obama's 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father -- places Ann and Obama anywhere other than in Hawaii during that first year.

Given this collective failure and the Obama camp's squirrelly response to questions about his birth certificate, another look at the circumstances leading up to that birth is warranted. To restore logic and order to this investigation, I turn to a structure we know as Occam's Razor: "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.'' This translates roughly as "Multiple variables are not to be posited without necessity." Let me start with the timeline and cast of characters.

Late summer, 1960

Stanley and Madelyn Dunham and 17-year-old daughter Stanley Ann (henceforth "Ann") leave the Seattle area for Hawaii. Ann does not want to go.

Fall, 1960

Ann enrolls at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where 23-year-old Barack Obama, Sr. is a student.

Spring semester, 1961

Ann fails to enroll at the University of Hawaii.

February 2, 1961

Barack Sr. and Ann marry in Maui.

August 4, 1961

Barack Obama is reportedly born in Honolulu's Kapiloani Hospital for Women and Children.

August 19, 1961

Ann Dunham enrolls at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Summer 1962

Ann and baby Obama return to Hawaii.

Fall 1962

Barack Sr. leaves for Harvard.

Spring 1963

Ann re-enrolls at the University of Hawaii.

January 1964

Ann files to divorce Barack Sr.

What follows are four possible scenarios to explain the circumstances of Obama's birth. Each involves a different set of biological parents.

Ann Dunham and unknown Seattle male

In the original article, I floated the possibility that the progressive and adventurous 17-year-old Dunham was impregnated by a black man while the family was still living in the Seattle area. If so, this pregnancy could have prompted the family to uproot to Hawaii where no one knew them and where mixed-race babies were more accepted.

Although this theory would make sense of the family's abrupt move to Hawaii and Ann's seemingly sudden departure to Seattle after Obama's birth, it introduces too many variables that I was unable to substantiate.

Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham

In football jargon, this scenario would be the ruling on the field. It stands until conclusive evidence can be found to overturn it. The most formal evidence for it is a divorce document issued in 1964, to wit, "[t]hat one child has been born to said Libellant and Libellee as issue of said marriage, to wit: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II, a son, born August 4, 1961." The libellant in question is Stanley Ann D. Obama. The libellee is Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.

This document aligns with names and dates on the more questionable "certification of live birth" that the Obama campaign posted online, as well as with the newspaper postings soon after the August 4 birth.

This scenario conforms to the story line that the young Obama heard growing up from his mother and grandparents, namely that the brilliant, charismatic Barack Sr. had swept the quiet Ann off her feet, impregnated her, married her, and left reluctantly for Harvard after a year of nurturing baby Obama in Hawaii.

Propping up this narrative is chatty Hawaii Democratic congressman Neil Abercrombie, who knew Barack Sr. at the University of Hawaii. "Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune about baby Obama while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii."

There could not have been many such "days." The most compelling evidence against this scenario is Ann's documented enrollment at the University of Washington immediately after Obama's reported birth and Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard immediately upon Ann's return to Hawaii.

In addition, all details about the marriage remain elusive. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."

A couple marries in a different county like Maui to keep the notification out of the local news. No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding.

Neil Abercrombie's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of the outsized Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. If the young couple were making their home on Kalanianole Hwy. as the newspaper announcements claim, some friend should have at least remembered.

When Abercrombie and Zane visited their pal in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by not inquiring at all about his wife and then-six-year-old child (although he would visit the Dunhams four years later). In July 2008, speaking at a university roundtable, Michelle Obama said of Barack's mother that she was "very young and very single when she had him." This may not have been a slip of the tongue.

At least a few respondents to the last article cited the likeness of Obama to his half-brother, Mark Ndesandjo, also mothered by a white woman, as proof of Barack Sr.'s biological paternity. Beyond color, I do not see any particular resemblance (photo here). The adult Obama does not look like Barack Sr., and as Abercrombie concedes, he does not sound at all like him either.

Stanley Dunham and unknown black woman

The evidence for this scenario is all circumstantial. "You know," Stanley's brother Ralph has said of Obama, "he looks exactly like Stanley. He looks exactly like my brother, only he's dark." Admittedly, grandsons can look like their grandfathers, but Ralph is right. The similarity between the two is striking.

The photo below, likely taken upon Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard in 1962, shows not only Stanley's stunning resemblance to Obama, but also his inexplicable fondness for a black man who allegedly knocked up his daughter and is now abandoning her and his grandson. This photo is not an anomaly. As Obama recounts in Dreams, "Gramps" has only good things to say about his prodigal son-in-law.



One other critical bit of evidence for this theory is a poem Obama wrote as a 19-year-old called "Pop." The poem begins:

• Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken
  
  In, sprinkled with ashes,
  
  Pop switches channels, takes another
  
  Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks
  
  What to do with me, a green young man

As I reported last week, most reviewers think this poem is about Stanley Dunham, and with some cause. "I can still picture Gramps leaning back in his old stuffed chair after dinner," writes Obama in Dreams, "sipping whiskey and cleaning his teeth with the cellophane from his cigarette pack."

If "Pop" refers to Gramps, then Obama seems to be confronting him with the recognition that Gramps is actually his father. Obama calls the poem "Pop," after all, not "Gramps."

"Under my seat, I pull out the Mirror I've been saving," writes Obama. Yes, the two look alike and they smell alike. Pop has big ears, and he even has "the same amber stain on his shorts that I've got on mine." The poem ends with bittersweet reconciliation when Pop stands and asks for a hug. Writes Obama:[lsit]I see my face, framed within

Pop's black-framed glasses

And know he's laughing too.[/list]Gramps did wear black-frame glasses, and as to the "amber stain" reference, more on that later.

The mother in this scenario would have to have been black. Obama tells us in Dreams that Gramps frequented otherwise-all-black bars and hung out with the card-carrying communist Frank Marshall Davis, an African-American with Kansas and Chicago roots. In communist circles, the sharing of sex partners was not uncommon.

If a black woman, perhaps a friend of Davis's, gave birth to a child of Dunham's, Barack Sr. would have obliged the Dunhams by marrying Ann and claiming paternity in return for all the potential benefits of having an American wife and baby.

We also know that Stanley Dunham so desperately wanted a boy that he named his only child "Stanley Ann." Raising the young Obama would fulfill that desire. It would also explain the special relationship between him and Obama and the subsequent coolness of Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, or "Toot," to the whole charade. It might also explain Ann's distance from her presumed son, whom she would desert for long periods to advance her career.

This theory makes sense of the secret marriage in Maui, Stanley's enduring fondness for Barack Sr., the powerful resemblance between Stanley Dunham and Obama, and the Dunhams' apparent willingness to subsidize mother and baby in Seattle.

What remains unclear is what Ann would get out of the deal. True, she never wanted to leave Seattle in the first place, and Obama would have been (in this scenario) her little brother, but the burdens she would have assumed do not seem balanced by the benefits gained. This scenario also introduces one major unsubstantiated variable: the unknown black mother.

Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis

Several of the respondents to last week's article, including a literary analyst I have previously referred to as Mr. West, argued for a relationship between Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis. Although there is no particular physical resemblance between Obama and Davis other than color -- the undeniable resemblance is to Stanley Dunham -- there are some other connections worth pursuing.

An outspoken progressive, 17-year-old Ann arrived in Hawaii in 1960 angry and rebellious. She did not want to be there. An affair with the married, 54-year-old Davis would have suited her politics and sated her need for revenge. In 1946, Davis, then 40, married a 21-year-old white socialite. Young white women obviously did not scare him off -- not by a long shot.

This is all speculative and would be wildly so were it not for the poem "Pop." The whiskey-drinking, the smoking, the dispensing of sage advice, and the black-frame glasses fit Davis as well as they do Stanley Dunham. "I was intrigued by old Frank," Obama writes in Dreams, "with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes." One sequence in "Pop" actually fits Davis better.

• Makes me smell his smell, coming
  
  From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem
  
  He wrote before his mother died,

Writes Obama in Dreams, "[Davis] would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar." It was Davis who instructed Obama in the ways of blackness. "I'm just telling you to keep your eyes open," Davis told him on one occasion. "Stay awake." Davis is an important figure in Obama's life. Obama alludes to him on nine separate occasions in Dreams. If "Pop" were Davis, then Obama may use the honorarium to suggest no more than an African-American godfather. Then again, "Pop" may have been a literal designation.

As something of a side note, what caught Mr. West's eye were the similarities in poetic style between Davis and the Obama of "Pop." What struck both of us is that "Pop" is much more sophisticated than "Underground," a silly poem about fig-eating apes that also appears under Obama's name in the spring 1981 edition of Occidental College's literary magazine, Feast. Whether "Pop" refers to Gramps or Davis, it would not surprise me if Davis provided substantial help with the poem, a pattern that would repeat itself with Bill Ayers in the writing of Dreams.

One other issue that needs to be addressed, and a sensitive one, is that of sex. As reported in the U.K.'s Telegraph (and elsewhere), in 1968 Davis published under the pseudonym Bob Greene an only slightly fudged autobiographical manuscript titled Sex Rebel: Black. In the book, Davis concedes that "under certain circumstances I am bisexual" and that he was also "a voyeur and an exhibitionist." If Davis is "Pop," then this could explain the "amber stain" on the shorts of both mentor and initiate. How else to explain those stains?

One chapter of Sex Rebel deals with the seduction by Davis and his wife of a 13-year-old girl called "Anne," who was introduced to him by a trusting relative. "I'm not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I'd rather not bed a babe under 20," he writes, "But there are exceptions."

An amateur photographer, Davis had once started a photography club in Chicago. It has not been verified that he shot the nude photos floating around the internet of a woman who looks stunningly like Ann Dunham, nor has "Anne's" identity been confirmed. Still, there would have been nothing out of character for either Ann or Davis to have collaborated on this project.

Were the married Davis the father, and had Dunham introduced his daughter to Davis, it may explain what Obama has described as "the complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men." In this scenario, both would have had a vested interest in finding someone else to take the paternity rap. By keeping the marriage secret, they would have allowed Barack Sr. to continue living the life of a single man.

Barack Sr. had a lot to offer, starting with his pigmentation. Besides, as a Kenyan, he would have given the boy more than a name. He would give him a distinctive identity as an "African" -- his race listed on the certification of birth -- a more respected ethnicity in the America of the 1960s than "Negro." Indeed, Obama has built his career around his exotic identity. Were he named after Frank Marshall Davis or any other American, he may never have been elected president.

This scenario would help explain why Barack Sr. blithely blew off his new family when he headed for Harvard a year after Obama's birth, rejecting a reported opportunity to take both wife and child to New York. More importantly, it would explain why Ann went to Seattle so promptly after the birth and with so little fuss. This would have been her baby, and she was proud of him. In addition, her departure would have allowed Barack Sr. to live life as he pleased in Hawaii. If Abercrombie saw "little Barry," it was almost assuredly after Ann returned.

This theory might also iron out some chronology wrinkles. An August 4 birth would suggest an early November conception. Obama biographer Christopher Andersen, however, reports that Ann told the Dunhams of her pregnancy in "late October." Presuming a missed period as first alarm, this would put conception in early September -- before Ann would have met Barack Sr. This earlier conception date better explains both why Ann did not enroll for a second semester and how she was able to leave by mid-August for Seattle. If all this is true, however, it presumes active date-manipulation by Team Obama -- a big "if."

Then, finally, there is the Chicago connection. Davis first arrived in Chicago in 1927 and ultimately left for Hawaii in 1948. Upon moving to Chicago nearly sixty years after Davis first arrived, Obama "imagined Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." In a very real way, Chicago may have been his homeland, not Kenya, and he would have known it.

The Davis-as-father scenario may not be conclusive enough to override the ruling on the field, but it would explain the Obama camp's fear of documentation, and it deserves, at the very least, further review in the booth.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Dr. Ron "Polarik" posted four ten minute clips on April 30, 2010.

FRAUD IN THE USA: The end of the birth certificate controversy
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I watched all four videos, and only found one statement I would contest - that of McCain's birth. Some of the videos moved pretty fast, and if I were to take notes, I would be using the pause button a lot.

Very interesting. Can't wait for the book.

Mario has uploaded on Scribd two versions of an Hawaiian COLB.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31228702/Hawa ... Birth-COLB

Not much one can add here.

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We haven't heard from PubliusMountainGoat in quite a while, but he conjectured this possible scenario at forums.hannity.com today.

Originally Posted by mtngoat61

She [Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama] pops up from the missing 9+ months not in Hawaii or in Kenya...but in Seattle. This is where the first verified history starts. They never lived together at all after the birth apparently. She stayed in Seattle until BHO Sr. left for NY. If there was no real relationship then why would SAD had been Kenya for birth?

Even with the Michele "home country" comments and the Kenyan declarations it still seems a stretch. And if that is the case, then the Hawaii officials have done some even more really serious lying.

I believe that Obama's mother went to Kenya at the age of 17 during her last half of her pregnancy with the intent of giving up the baby to the father's family in Kenya to raise. Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama was then supposed to return to Seattle to restart her life and college there. But when Obama was born, the maternal instincts kicked in, and she could not leave her new son to be raised in Kenya. She then brought the baby back with her to Seattle ... to the surprise and shock of Grandma Dunham. I do not believe that Obama was born on the date in the records in Hawaii. That date was the date near them the time Stanley Ann Dunham returned from Kenya, likely straight to Seattle. The date on the online digital image is likely the made up date of convenience of the Grandmother Dunham when she fraudulently filed the birth registration mail-in form to the Hawaii Health Dept. That got the birth into the system and got Obama illegally U.S. Citizenship and also the state then published a few days later the registration of the birth like they did for all birth registration ... legitimate ones or ones that were designed to defraud the system. Hawaii accepted such registrations at face value on the testimony of one family member that the child was born at home with no witness. That is how the whole scam was pulled off by the family. And they did it simply to get the child U.S. Citizenship, a highly coveted status then and now .... not because they thought he was going to run for President some day. It was a birth certificate fraud case, pure and simple using Hawaii's lax laws in 1961. Much like the fraud that's being going on in Puerto Rico for years.

Originally Posted by in reply, bluecat1

The verifiable history of Obama (in the US at least) starts in Seattle, not Hawaii. Other than a birth registration, there is no other evidence or data points indicating the newborn Obama was ever physically in Hawaii. His history starts in Seattle...

I am far from convinced these [are] the actual events. But [this story] fits the lack of evidence that a newborn Obama was physically in Hawaii, and why so many things point to Kenya. So it is as plausible, if not more so, than the official story.

Obama’s [step-]grandmother throws party



UN Nutrition Goodwill Ambassador Mama Sarah Obama, 87, (right) receives a honorary Doctor
of Letters Degree from Vice Chancellor Prof Dan Kaseje (left) during the fourth graduation
ceremony of the university at Tom Mboya Labour college in Kisumu.
She became Dr. Sarah Hussein Obama after the honour.

Tuesday, May 4 2010 at 21:00
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A day after being awarded an honorary doctorate by a local university, US President Barrack Obama’s [step-]grandmother hosted a party at her Kogelo home in Siaya on Tuesday.

Two bulls, three sheep and four goats were slaughtered for the many visitors who trooped to the home to congratulate the 88-year-old grandmother for the honour.

Mama Sarah Obama was awarded an honorary Doctor of Letters by the Great Lakes University of Kisumu on Monday for her role in helping widows and orphans at her Kogelo village.

Mama Sarah appealed to the public to dedicate their time and effort to ensuring that they take care of orphans and the vulnerable people in the society.

[b]“This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,â€