Thread: ALIPAC issues clarification on 9/12 and Glenn Beck

Originally Posted by vortex

My point being that it seems the Tea Party movement is getting hijacked by those with fame, as respected speakers in DC.
I think ALIPAC's major point here is that those with the most time on TV are not necessarily as supportive of any grassroots efforts, unless they can use it to further themselves and their careers. And we all better examine every piece of info we can find, so TEA does not end up in the sewer when the super-liberals get after them to a much larger extent than they already have tried.

Not to mention that perhaps the country might have also been hijacked.

What group has hijacked the country? Are you as intense with finding "every piece of info we can find" on them, as well? Hopefully so, there's plenty of them out there. My list has at least 100 names.

Seems to me FOX News was the first "hijacker" of the Tea Parties, if you want some initial hijackers to also look into. Did you get intense with "every piece of info we can find" on FOX, or have they been totally vetted?

They became perceived as pushers and sponsors of the events, but I don't notice them anymore. I think they got the point that they were a distraction to the cause, perhaps.

They report on events, certainly, but I don't see FOX News trucks, anymore.

Any of these grass roots organizations do not need heads, or leaders, but they do need sponsors, as does ALIPAC, even just recently.

Ha, Limbaugh was on the radio today and said something to the effect of "these grass roots organizations don't need leaders, but socialists need leaders" - in reference to the fact that people were just showing up at town halls and Tea Parties, not being lead by anyone.

Looks like that is what is going to happen in Washington in a week or so.

Originally Posted by vortex

My point being that it seems the Tea Party movement is getting hijacked by those with fame, as respected speakers in DC.
I think ALIPAC's major point here is that those with the most time on TV are not necessarily as supportive of any grassroots efforts, unless they can use it to further themselves and their careers. And we all better examine every piece of info we can find, so TEA does not end up in the sewer when the super-liberals get after them to a much larger extent than they already have tried.

Another point you might want to be aware of is that the Tea Party movement is made up of hundreds, if not thousands, of local groups. The Tea Party Express is their own group, separate from all the others, something that has evolved since July 4, as far as I know. The March on Washington 9/12 is yet another "group" as you will. The March on Washington on 9/12 has about 30 sponsors, from what their website indicates.

As such they are distinct and separate entities, with any overlap that there might be. I think someone was trying to make that point earlier. I'm sure some overlap.

I'm not part of the March on Washington 9/12 group, so I really know the least about them. I would have liked to have gone, though.

" in reference to the fact that people were just showing up at town halls and Tea Parties, not being lead by anyone. "
Looks like that is what is going to happen in Washington in a week or so.
I sure hope and pray this is the case .
Does not take long on the Event list provided . I find a few Wolves feeding the sheep " if that makes sense " .
I do see some problems with some of the speakers and their opinions concerning pseudo amnesty , guest workers , and English only .
Excuse me , this is not nit picking . This is why all of us are here .
And it does concern me and should raise some question as to why these speakers . And how they were chosen for such an important day .
I support tea parties and 9/12'rs and the Genuine Principles laid out . I despise the Wolves Feeding the Sheep to feed More Wolves .
This is way to common . Just look at what and who's up on that capital hill now .

I would also love to go to the march in DC, which is where I grew up. As far as Fox News, and the more liberal stations, one must realize they are run by major corparations. Although our government is not in total control of our media outlets (yet) and the people they employ need to toe the corporate line, or have their programs pulled off the air. Been there as a newspaper reporter and editor, and got rather upset when what I had written was sliced and diced and reduced to nothing more than nothing, including any point of the article.
I honestly don't think that anyone on this website is bashing any Tea Party anywhere, but we worry about the famous trumping of the entire effort in Washington because of their fame and notoriety. And I have to say that I really wonder about the background of those that will be prominent and probably forefront as spokesmen. As one example, Mr. Norquist is apparently a rather strange duck.
Why we are in this verbal battle is a bit confusing, just more cleaving of the American society, taking advantage of the malleability of the population of this country? And what news do we really get? Perhaps one minute of 90 civilians dead from UN bombing in some war zone, three soldiers die by a roadside bomb, but let's get back to examining Michael Jackson's life while a few believe that he is not really dead. The priorities of what it means to be a part of the United States have gone fluffball beyond reasonable thinking, and for quite a few that seems just hunky dory.
Perhaps, I worry too much, but to see these characters involved in what takes place in DC, I think that is the fundamental point.Their trustability is seriously in question.

Originally Posted by vortex

I would also love to go to the march in DC, which is where I grew up. As far as Fox News, and the more liberal stations, one must realize they are run by major corparations. Although our government is not in total control of our media outlets (yet) and the people they employ need to toe the corporate line, or have their programs pulled off the air. Been there as a newspaper reporter and editor, and got rather upset when what I had written was sliced and diced and reduced to nothing more than nothing, including any point of the article.
I honestly don't think that anyone on this website is bashing any Tea Party anywhere, but we worry about the famous trumping of the entire effort in Washington because of their fame and notoriety. And I have to say that I really wonder about the background of those that will be prominent and probably forefront as spokesmen. As one example, Mr. Norquist is apparently a rather strange duck.
Why we are in this verbal battle is a bit confusing, just more cleaving of the American society, taking advantage of the malleability of the population of this country? And what news do we really get? Perhaps one minute of 90 civilians dead from UN bombing in some war zone, three soldiers die by a roadside bomb, but let's get back to examining Michael Jackson's life while a few believe that he is not really dead. The priorities of what it means to be a part of the United States have gone fluffball beyond reasonable thinking, and for quite a few that seems just hunky dory.
Perhaps, I worry too much, but to see these characters involved in what takes place in DC, I think that is the fundamental point.Their trustability is seriously in question.

Well, after 9/12, everything reverts to the local level (Tea Parties), the Tea Party Express disbands and anyone claiming to be a national spokesman for Tea Parties would be irrelevant, because there is no spokesman. They won't even be prominent anymore, even if they get to be prominent on 9/12. Once 9/12 is over, they can feel prominent or at the forefront of a large empty space at the Capital. Not news worthy.

Now, if you are talking just about DC, you have a strong point. If there is another March on Washington, perhaps you could worry.

Tea parties are distinct from the Tea Party Express are distinct from the March on Washington. When 9/12 closes down, who spoke first or the longest or the shortest won't matter unless you are talking just DC.

That may be important, but Tea Parties are not based there, to my knowledge. Local Tea Parties sprang up before there was a "national" site, and that seems web-based. They do have "partners", but they are not at the forefront, they are at the bottom.

Anyone can claim anything they want, but the biggest thing I could see, perhaps, is more exposure for Freedom Works on their website, and maybe more people involvement in their causes.

Along with more exposure for 30 other sponsor sites.

But to attempt to "grab control" of the Tea Party movement, doubtful.

That would be like herding cats. 1500 of them, and growing.

I'm good with bad analogies, admittedly.

Who was in charge of Woodstock? Chip Monck? Grace Slick? CSNY?

No, the people that went were in charge, and they took control.

Cheers. Have a good weekend.

Originally Posted by vortex

I would also love to go to the march in DC, which is where I grew up. As far as Fox News, and the more liberal stations, one must realize they are run by major corparations. Although our government is not in total control of our media outlets (yet) and the people they employ need to toe the corporate line, or have their programs pulled off the air. Been there as a newspaper reporter and editor, and got rather upset when what I had written was sliced and diced and reduced to nothing more than nothing, including any point of the article.
I honestly don't think that anyone on this website is bashing any Tea Party anywhere, but we worry about the famous trumping of the entire effort in Washington because of their fame and notoriety. And I have to say that I really wonder about the background of those that will be prominent and probably forefront as spokesmen. As one example, Mr. Norquist is apparently a rather strange duck.
Why we are in this verbal battle is a bit confusing, just more cleaving of the American society, taking advantage of the malleability of the population of this country? And what news do we really get? Perhaps one minute of 90 civilians dead from UN bombing in some war zone, three soldiers die by a roadside bomb, but let's get back to examining Michael Jackson's life while a few believe that he is not really dead. The priorities of what it means to be a part of the United States have gone fluffball beyond reasonable thinking, and for quite a few that seems just hunky dory.
Perhaps, I worry too much, but to see these characters involved in what takes place in DC, I think that is the fundamental point.Their trustability is seriously in question.

Well, after 9/12, everything reverts to the local level (Tea Parties), the Tea Party Express disbands and anyone claiming to be a national spokesman for Tea Parties would be irrelevant, because there is no spokesman. They won't even be prominent anymore, even if they get to be prominent on 9/12. Once 9/12 is over, they can feel prominent or at the forefront of a large empty space at the Capital. Not news worthy.

Now, if you are talking just about DC, you have a strong point. If there is another March on Washington, perhaps you could worry.

Tea parties are distinct from the Tea Party Express are distinct from the March on Washington. When 9/12 closes down, who spoke first or the longest or the shortest won't matter unless you are talking just DC.

That may be important, but Tea Parties are not based there, to my knowledge. Local Tea Parties sprang up before there was a "national" site, and that seems web-based. They do have "partners", but they are not at the forefront, they are at the bottom.

Anyone can claim anything they want, but the biggest thing I could see, perhaps, is more exposure for Freedom Works on their website, and maybe more people involvement in their causes.

Along with more exposure for 30 other sponsor sites.

But to attempt to "grab control" of the Tea Party movement, doubtful.

That would be like herding cats. 1500 of them, and growing.

I'm good with bad analogies, admittedly.

Who was in charge of Woodstock? Chip Monck? Grace Slick? CSNY?

No, the people that went were in charge, and they took control.

Cheers. Have a good weekend.

navigeur:

Personally, Glenn Beck is not a spokesman for the Tea Parties, he does not represent them and this may be one area of misplaced focus. I wouldn't want him to be a spokesman anymore than I would want FOX to be a supporter, necessarily. The movement is headless, without a recognizable leader, and perhaps that's how it should stay.

If I remember correctly I think Glen Beck was spearheading the Tea Parties in the beginning. Thank goodness.

Originally Posted by vmonkey56

navigeur:

Personally, Glenn Beck is not a spokesman for the Tea Parties, he does not represent them and this may be one area of misplaced focus. I wouldn't want him to be a spokesman anymore than I would want FOX to be a supporter, necessarily. The movement is headless, without a recognizable leader, and perhaps that's how it should stay.

If I remember correctly I think Glen Beck was spearheading the Tea Parties in the beginning. Thank goodness.

Personally, I hadn't even heard of Glenn Beck until a couple of months ago.

His appearance on FOX news, whom I just mentioned as being erroneously labeled a prior "forefront", sponsor, or spokesman for the Tea Parties, has only occurred since January of this year. He spent two and half years at CNN prior to that.

I do know that CNN ridicules, denigrates, and opposes the Tea Parties.

I think it is important to know people's backgrounds. Hopefully the long time he spent at CNN didn't rub off on him.

Perhaps of importance, Glenn Beck has his own website devoted to his 9/12 project.

http://www.the912project.com/



This is not the 9/12 March on Washington, however.

http://912dc.org/

Glenn, from his website, representing FOX News, will be reporting from Washington on Saturday, September 12 from 1:00 to 3:00 PM.

He is not on the 9/12 website list of speakers, nor is FOX represented, as a sponsor.

http://912dc.org/= "National Sponsor" FreedomWorks = Dick Army

The donation page clearly states the money is going to FreedomWorks
http://912dc.org/donate/

Dixie