Thread: I have changed my mind to amnesty

Greyerhat, sorry I only had time to go into your post more, supper was ready and our neighbors came for a visit. I really would rather not get into the Catholic church but I will address some of your quotes to the best I can. I am not Catholic but two of my kids did marry Catholic and they do tell me that their church's (two diffrent ones) do say to protect the rights of illegals, to me I don't know what rights they have in America but maybe the church knows of some.

But there are thousands upon thousands of small churches in the U.S, baptist, presbyterian, evangelical lutheran, etc.

Most of those churches in no way benefit from Illegal Immigration or immigrants.

Most of the people in those Churches are the backbone of the movement to STOP Illegal Immigration.

I fully agree, I do feel very strongly about the Catholic Churches views though, this is not the Vatican, this is America and the stance of the pope either for or against should NOT be an influence on American policy, yet it seems to be.
I didn't want to mention the Catholic church seeing we had a big enough ta do about Rep and Dems. but I guess it's out there now.

You Could argue that the churches want the Illegals to come up to the U.S. so that they can witness or try to evangelize them.

No, on the contrary, American Churches send thousands and thousands of dollars to Mexico every year, in the form of VOLUNTEER MISSIONS to go down to Mexico, set up soup kitchens, and show people how Christianity can help them. BUT THEY DO THIS IN MEXICO.

Yes they do do this in Mexico, but Mexico is coming to the United States. If the chruch does this in Mexico, wouldn't it make sense that the illegals would come to the them for a safe haven.

Finally most churches do NOT invest their funds. They never have enough funds to do this. Most of the churches use the funds to pay expenses directly. Very few churches have pension or retirement plans of any kind.

http://www.socialfunds.com/funds/chart. ... artId=desc
http://www.catholicfunds.com/TCEF-Annual-f2005.pdf
http://www.avemariafund.com/
http://www.lkcm.com/index.html
http://landing.domainsponsor.com/?
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/inde ... t_id=17086
This is way off subject of the group but I guess it started with the Mormon views of immigration. I just wanted to make a point that it isn't only the Mormon church and that will be all I have to say on the subject.
This by no means is a view I have on people who are Catholic or Mormons since I have friends and family in both of these religions. But I do think they have no business interfering with government.

CrocketsGhost...there are many things that people benefit from chruches, but.....there are many things that are hidden also. I agree that many people give to their church and that money is used for charity and many of the good things you mentioned. If I could I wouldn't give a dime of my money for crack addicts ect. either that our government insist I must do. The church that advocates protecting illegals does prosper whether you know it or not. I am not saying ALL churches do this. Mostly I was speaking of organized religion, Bush is trying to push the Christian in us card to push for immigration, how Christian would Mexico be to our poor people? How much money would churches in Mexico be willing to part with money to help an American?
I don't feel that I should be obligated by a chruch to take care of these people since we are paying for them through our taxes, if this is what they want to do with my money I won't give, there are plenty of my own (Americans) that need chruch money more than illegals.

bootsalinda...hey!!

I'm Judy on this forum and I would appreciate you're adding the md to judymd in your posts above concerning the "You are a follower" comment, so that we are not confused.

Thanks so much.

Joelous, doesn't that sound like a name of a weak kneed tapioca dish our grandmother's use to make?

bootsalinda, this old Indian has been called many names during my lifetime, I can assure you, being called an extremist by you are anyone else because I happen to care enough to stand up for what I believe in, else I wouldn't be here now would I? I know you did not personally call me an extremest, but I belong to that small minority who happens to take the bible literally as to the mark of the beast. You know, it seems to me that christianity is also trying to be sugar coated and stamped out of our society by a bunch of liberals who only think God's name should be spoken in the privacy of our own homes, never out in public for heaven's sake else someone might get offended. I know this is not what we are here for but since you bought it up, I will have my say. I have watched prayer being taken out of our public schools by atheist who were offended by God;s name. I have seen a small symbol of the cross taken off California's state seal because it offended some people. Now there is another fight in California over a beautiful cross standing sentry duty in a cemetery for our fallen veterans probably will have to be removed because if offends somebody. the words under God may be taken out of our pledge of allegience because it is offending someone. A memorial for troopers killed in the line of duty may be removed from the side of a road because it contains a cross. Not even Christmas is sacred anymore, it to is under attack. Let me tell you what else I see Bootsalinda.
I see our public schools falling into chaos, every year more and more guns taken to school and turned on classmates and teachers due to a lack of discipline and good teachings at home, that never happened when prayer was still in shcool was it?
I see our own people turning against their government marching in anti-american protest, daming their own country.
No longer can you count on your neighbors to help you out even call the police if they hear you being attacked right before their eyes.
Children killing their own parents everyday you hear of this.
Yes BootsaLinda, I guess you are right we need to separate our government from our religion, because of that we have managed to remove our country as far away from God as we can so as to be politically correct.
The last thing I am seeing here is God moving away from us, removing our country from his good graces and blessings, just as we removed him from ours! Yes, I guess You would say, our government and country are so much better off by separation of the state from religion, as for me, I see the truth, our country is going to hell in a hand basket real fast here all in the name of being Politically Correct! See what you did? that is what you get for calling people extremest Anyway that is just my opinion and I am not backing away from it or you! The word extremest is getting bandied around a little to much just like that word Racist is. If you happen to feel different from what someone else does you get branded with both of them.

Originally Posted by Joelous

We decided to take it a little farther so we contacted the Mormon church and spoke to a church representative , The church feels that the illegal’s benefit the state of Utah and help the economy they also stated that they do not depress our state in any way, ...... after yesterday I decided to convert to amnesty!

Are you Mormon?
The LDS has been **witnessesing** to Latinos in large numbers because they see them as another evangelical pursuit to increase the population of Mormon Heaven. Latinos are an easy target for LDS.

Hey gang,

I've changed my mind. Maybe this amnesty thing isn't such a bad idea after all.

W

Originally Posted by swtncgram

CrocketsGhost...there are many things that people benefit from chruches, but.....there are many things that are hidden also. I agree that many people give to their church and that money is used for charity and many of the good things you mentioned. If I could I wouldn't give a dime of my money for crack addicts ect. either that our government insist I must do. The church that advocates protecting illegals does prosper whether you know it or not. I am not saying ALL churches do this. Mostly I was speaking of organized religion, Bush is trying to push the Christian in us card to push for immigration, how Christian would Mexico be to our poor people? How much money would churches in Mexico be willing to part with money to help an American?
I don't feel that I should be obligated by a chruch to take care of these people since we are paying for them through our taxes, if this is what they want to do with my money I won't give, there are plenty of my own (Americans) that need chruch money more than illegals.

Charity from the government is not charity because it is not voluntary. It is merely socialism. The only real charity is from the private sector and is freely given. Churches of various denomination provide a huge portion of the private charity. That's all I'm saying.

For the record, I also have a HUGE problem with the Church of Rome, because it behaves as a worldly government more than it behaves as a church. Same goes for any of the state churches. But saying that there should not be a state church is a far cry from saying that church has no role to play in politics or that people should not be free to practice their faith or donate their money as they see fit.

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Hey gang,

I've changed my mind. Maybe this amnesty thing isn't such a bad idea after all.

W

A troll with a whole buncha' stars by his name???????

I've changed my mind. Maybe this amnesty thing isn't such a bad idea after all.

Wow, a high level troll.