Thread: New ALIPAC Survey: Legal Immigration Levels?

Originally Posted by crazybird

I believe it (legal immigration) should be temporary stopped till some semblence of normal is established. We have no clue who's here legally, illegally, overstayed visas......nothing. I mean they are just starting to blow the top off employers who claim they NEED illegal immigrants, but once they've been busted, there seems to be no shortage of workers to quickly take their place. It would be interesting to find out for sure if these so called high level employers are really short of workers or if they aren't scamming the system as well for cheap labor. I wonder if they even give American workers the choice to keep a job at less pay, or just fire them in order to import cheap labor. From what I've heard so far they are just as guilty for hitting the cheap labor pool as those who hire illegals. The legal cheap workers can't change jobs without being deported, in many cases their spouse can't work and they are in many cases held as hostages just like illegal ones are......play the game, don't rock the boat or be deported.

If we are so stupid and mentally incapable of doing these jobs, then attention and training needs to be addressed for citizens first. You simply cannot tell me we have a shortage of people and bringing in more and more people isn't going to fix the problem.

I have watched the medical profession take a nose dive when money has outranked care. We are seeing it in almost every profession and every business. We aren't getting "better people".....just people willing to work for cheap who don't know any different. We aren't getting better service, cheaper prices, quality care, nothing in exchange for this.

And I say temporary because there's so many loose ends it's also much needed time and additional workers to fix what is broken and give attention to those who have abided by the law, are still waiting patiently. They are being lost in shuffle and probably have a ton of stories to share about whats really going on and what needs to be addressed. But they are basicly ignored because of the illegal invasion.

I mean we have been invaded by cartels, underground smuggling rings for everything from prostitution to child porn, guns, drugs, cars and who knows what else. Anyone think that's going to get "better" with increased immigration and illegal immigration? Newer immigrants aren't assimilating as well as they could be and we are becomming more and more divided. Adding more is just throwing fuel on an already out of control fire. We have displaced citizens who are still out of work from having their jobs outsourced, we have adult citizens who aren't dead yet and will most likey end up needing to work to survive during thier "golden years" We have highschool and college kids still living at home because they can't get a job or a job that pays enough to meet basic necessities and more and more people isn't the answer when we can't take care of and help our own. Heck with a good half of our youth dropping out of highschool.....who needs more uneducated people? We could probably stop it all for 50 years and still not fix anything. Maybe the last of our boomers will be dead in time for the latest baby boom to move right on in.

Our country thrived with a whole lot less people all along.......

Sometimes I feel like a drowning person who gets a cup of water shoved down my throat every time I gasp for air because water is good for you.

This rant of Crazybirds is so Dam good it should be "Bottle Up" and sent to every Citizen with instrutions , pop the cork and drink up Patriot . See your Sane no matter what Soro's and MSM says .

My feelings towards current Legal Immigration Levels?

Legal Immigration Levels Should be much Higher. 2 %2 %2 % 2.83% (30)
Legal Immigration Levels Should increase slightly. 4 %4 %4 % 4.06% (43)
Legal Immigration Levels Should stay the same. 12 %12 %12 % 12.55% (133)
Legal Immigration Levels Should be reduced some. 15 %15 %15 % 15.47% (164)
Legal Immigration Levels Should be much lower. 17 %17 %17 % 17.74% (18
Legal Immigration Should Be at minimal levels. 29 %29 %29 % 29.81% (316)
Legal Immigration Should be stopped. 17 %17 %17 % 17.55% (186)

Total Votes: 1060

I went through the immigration process and so did my relatives. One thing people need to realize is that if people do immigrate here you have to be able to support yourself and the relatives you bring or sponsor. Legal immigrants are seldom a burden on taxpayers. There are numerous ways people can immigrate here. One is if you are an exceptional athlete, or entertainer, top model, etc. Then you have quotas for applicants from various countries, the greencard lottery and as a person coming here to start a business with a determined investment amount or higher, or a wealthy person who can support themselves. I think those things should be taken into consideration as well when voting on this.
The sad thing about immigration is that the only legal immigrants who burden the taxpayers are the Cubans who are coming here. Their relatives often times have foodstamps and section 8 housing ready for them before they arrive. This is one beef most people have every time the Miami Herald writes about Cubans making land. Even the older Cuban immigrants don't like those coming over now as they never had or relied on the handouts that they do today.

Personally, I would like to see a cut-off of immigration of Muslims and/or Muslims refugees. I know it may sound heartless, but I have read too many stories about Muslims getting their way and refusing to assimilate and even CHANGING American traditions.

The latest one is Tyson Foods. (I stopped buying Tyson products after I read that.) They hired all these Somalian Muslim refugees and their union was able to negotiate removing Labor Day as a paid holiday and instituting some Muslim religious holiday in its place.

Labor Day is an American tradition. It is a non-religious holiday, meant for all workers of every color, creed, and work status. It is an abomination to me that these Muslims have sucessfully overturned an American tradition for a Muslim one.

Let's not forget all the schools and universities who have made accomodations for Muslim daily prayers -- 5 in one day!!! FOOTBATHS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. I don't understand our govt. Public schools are supposed to be nondenominational. So why are they giving special privileges to Muslims???? How about us Christians??

That is why I think we should SHUT THE DOOR ON MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS.

Originally Posted by swatchick

I went through the immigration process and so did my relatives. One thing people need to realize is that if people do immigrate here you have to be able to support yourself and the relatives you bring or sponsor. Legal immigrants are seldom a burden on taxpayers. There are numerous ways people can immigrate here. One is if you are an exceptional athlete, or entertainer, top model, etc. Then you have quotas for applicants from various countries, the greencard lottery and as a person coming here to start a business with a determined investment amount or higher, or a wealthy person who can support themselves. I think those things should be taken into consideration as well when voting on this.
The sad thing about immigration is that the only legal immigrants who burden the taxpayers are the Cubans who are coming here. Their relatives often times have foodstamps and section 8 housing ready for them before they arrive. This is one beef most people have every time the Miami Herald writes about Cubans making land. Even the older Cuban immigrants don't like those coming over now as they never had or relied on the handouts that they do today.

I am giving you a standing ovation. My 4 year old is looking at me like I lost my mind, but this was well stated and to the point.

Originally Posted by Ex_OC

Personally, I would like to see a cut-off of immigration of Muslims and/or Muslims refugees. I know it may sound heartless, but I have read too many stories about Muslims getting their way and refusing to assimilate and even CHANGING American traditions.

The latest one is Tyson Foods. (I stopped buying Tyson products after I read that.) They hired all these Somalian Muslim refugees and their union was able to negotiate removing Labor Day as a paid holiday and instituting some Muslim religious holiday in its place.

Labor Day is an American tradition. It is a non-religious holiday, meant for all workers of every color, creed, and work status. It is an abomination to me that these Muslims have sucessfully overturned an American tradition for a Muslim one.

Let's not forget all the schools and universities who have made accomodations for Muslim daily prayers -- 5 in one day!!! FOOTBATHS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. I don't understand our govt. Public schools are supposed to be nondenominational. So why are they giving special privileges to Muslims???? How about us Christians??

That is why I think we should SHUT THE DOOR ON MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS.

I am in full agreement with you also. I know that you and I have stood side by side in the trenches before. Can you imagine the rhetoric we would get if we demanded a full ban on all immigration. It would kill the argument that we are not xenophobes, only we believe in the enforcement of our laws.

Legal Immigration is THE overlooked success story in this whole mess.
But, the levels should be about 10% of the current admittance.
When the English speaking/reading comprehension levels are ABOVE
80% in America, THEN we can start increasing LEGAL immigration.
Illegal immigration should be stopped, period.

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by hdumas

Sirst, it is important to state that I am not anti-immigration, only anti-illegal immigration. The current flood of Hispanics (which is being encouraged bytheir own countries, is causing OUR country a lot. The schools are begging for money money to teach ESL courses, the social services are overflowing and the ERs are full of non-paying illegals with no insurance.
We have been sold on the idea that the illegals are taking the jobs that AMERICANS don't want....NOT SO! The employers, who are not fined appropriately for hiring illegals, are taking advantage of hiring cheap labor with no benefits and the middle class is suffering....this is even more critical since many good technical jobs are being outsourced to India (and other places) , The middle class has finally run out of money and credit.
BMW and Toyota build 50% of their cars here....why can't American firms do this?
Because they are greedy and want to bust the unions. Now they are finally getting pinched because not too many people are buying new expeensive things like cars and houses.
Most of these illegals need to go home...the sooner the better butwe also need to bring back out sourced jobs and manufacture more goods (like we do with Toyota and BMW) . This shows that Americans do want to work hard....
We need higher fines for employers who employ illegals.

Well stated. If we stop Legal Immigration, I feel we will lose the fight. The fact that we SUPPORT Legal immigration takes away from a lot of the arguments that the illegals and their supporters use. WE ARE FALLING LIKE BLIND SHEEP INTO THEIR TRAP! THEY started by blurring the lines between legal and illegal immigration. NOW WE ARE FOLLOWING IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS. We are indeed a nation of immigrants, LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Once we decide that even those who follow our laws are not welcome here, then we become something that I really would be ashamed of. A million a year? That is too much, but how about 50,000. That is only 1000 per state. It is an easily assimilated number. Require proficient English after 6 months or they lose their visa's. Make it a felony to use a foreign issued ID unless it is for a tourist. Trust me, I know, if someone can afford to come here legally, after all of the fees are paid, they will not be a drain on society.

WELCOME TO ALIPAC hdumas

Cayla,

I truly appreciate your sentiments expressed here, but truthfully, our pro immigrant and pro immigration stance and our title as Americans for Legal Immigration has NEVER stopped them from calling us anti-immigrant.

Even if our organization decides to take a stance or platform change to advocate reduced legal immigration levels, that does not make us anti-immigrant or anti-immigration...

...no more than a person on a diet becomes anti-food or anti-eating.

The Council of the Race and their minions will continue to call us something negative no matter what our name or platform is as long as we continue to oppose their agenda.

W

I believe the bush administration and corp America are destroying the middle class along with our quality of life. Between free trade taking our jobs and illegal aliens getting the rest, there is no where for the middle class to go.

Our government has failed us, congress has failed us and big business has failed us. Now that's said, I like to know were the hell do we fit in our own country.

I am so mad and frustrated that I keep wishing someone would step up and clean this whole mess up.

There is really no one, so will just have to stay on top of these jerks and try to keep them walking a straight line.

In addition to putting a stop to illegal immigration as much as we can, I think we need at least a 10 year halt to all immigration to allow the unprecedentedly LARGE number of immigrants we currently have be absorbed and assimilated into our culture.