Thread: AMNESTY PASSED IN SENATE..

Never mind, I found it already I guess:

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?nam...=asc&start=175

And just what would is your version of the American dream?

Is it living 12 to an apartment? Is it un-necessarily burdening our schools and hospitals? Is it demanding that our schools educate your children in your native language?, or that every government document also be written in you native language? Is it working for a wage that under-mines the pre-vailing wage, thus dis-placing American workers? Or is it sucking off social services, successfully expanding demorats welfare state? Maybe it is remitting in excess of $60 bill. annually to you r country of origin. Perhaps it is marching through our streets proudly displaying your country of origin's flag demanding rights you have no right claim, why? because this country (which is the greatest country in the world, for now) operates under the rule of law, NOT MOB RULE!!!!!

But William is correct, you are un-wittingly playing into the hands of the corporate elite, who wish for nothing more than to erase this country's sovereingty, borders, and constitution, in order to consolidate wealth and power. You and I are nothing more than servile maggots to them.

Let me ask you this, if the United states were to declare war on your country of origin, which side would your allegience fall? If you choose your country of origin, then you are not an American, legal or illegal. But I can tell you this now, the majority of Americans oppose Bush's guest worker programs, and amnesty in any form. If our legislators refuse to acknowledge the will of the American, there most assuredly will be an up-rising in this country that would make Iraq look like a social event, and will give you and your ilk a deep sense of longing for home.

Oh, I forgot something with regards to the minimum wage/ attempt to include amnesty bill in the senate. This website claims to have broken the story, though I don't know how true this is.

http://WWW.etherzone.com/2007/bend020507.shtml

Eat,

No offense, but who the hell are you talking too ?
You didn't quote a text, you didn't mention a name / person you were replying too. I assume you mean BlueJersey as he was an illegal and he's an OBL who supports amnesty. You mentioned a country of origin, and he's probably one of the few that were born abroad along with Minnie in this thread. Minnie came here the right way and would always chose the US over her country of origin. My ancestors have been in the US for over 200 years. So again, who the hell were you talking too ? And the next time tone a little bit down about the Democrats instead of calling us Demorats. Anti illegal alien supporters know that we can't win this fight without each other. Democrats, Republicans, Independents that oppose illegal immigration are all welcome here. By calling us Demorats you will only have a negative impact in the issue of illegal immigration. Or do you think that 80% of Americans that oppose illegal immigration and amnesty are all Republicans??

Cass

Well Cassie,

Perhaps you neglected to read the subject line, as it clearly said, This goes out to bluejersey.

I'm no card carrying republican, I'm more like a constitutionalist.

I have written, e-mailed, faxed, both dem, and repub members of congress, as well as the RNC, and DNC, un-fortunately I have to date recieved no reply from any dem, (those are the demorats to which I refer) so don't get your knickers in a wad.. I have how-ever recieved numerous replys from a select few repubs. I do realize the need for both dems, repubs, and independants to work together on this issue, but first we must get our elected officials to recognize the problem. If there are indeed some democratic legislators who do, then they need to become more vocal, and refrain from toeing the liberal party line.

I'm afraid that at this juncture, there is not one democratic presidential contender I would entrust to occupy the Whitehouse. There are only three republicans I would vote for in 08, those being Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, or Duncan Hunter.

And your right, socialism is not communism, but it is indeed its first cousin.

To Eat,

Perhaps you neglected to read the subject line, as it clearly said, This goes out to bluejersey.

it's always better to mention a name too. In the beginning of a tread it's obvious that you talk to the initial poster but when a thread has a lot of replies it can be confusing who you talk to. It's just a small effort to name the person or quote to who you reply to, we all do this here Again, it wasn't meant to offend.

I'm no card carrying republican, I'm more like a constitutionalist.

Oh, ok. I'm a registered Democrat. I oppose illegal immigration because it's against the law, yet I oppose the war in Iraq too. People that support bush' war, must also support his amnesty, they are all linked to evil. Bush, war and ilegals

I do realize the need for both dems, repubs, and independants to work together on this issue, but first we must get our elected officials to recognize the problem. If there are indeed some democratic legislators who do, then they need to become more vocal, and refrain from toeing the liberal party line.

More Republicans oppose illegals but I've already made up my mind that I just can't vote for a Republican. They have bashed and insulted us Dems over the past years. I can agree with Republicans that oppose illegals too, but I prefer to vote an independent or Dem that oppose ilegals. And why should I vote for a Republican ? I live in Ca and our electoral votes will go to the Dems anyway, with or without my vote. People here are sick of the GOP. Arnold is governator but he's more in the middle of the political spectrum.

I'm afraid that at this juncture, there is not one democratic presidential contender I would entrust to occupy the Whitehouse. There are only three republicans I would vote for in 08, those being Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, or Duncan Hunter.

I can vote for Buchanan is he runs, but the problem is that I don't want to split my vote. I like Buchanan b/c he is against illegals and against the war. Buchanan is the only politician that I can trust. He even said that voters that accidently voted for him due to the voting cards in Florida, the votes should have been given to Gore if they intended to vote for Gore.

And your right, socialism is not communism, but it is indeed its first cousin.

thank you. Socialism can be the step up to communism, but i's still totally different.

O.K. Cassie,

I hate the fact that we are once again involved in yet another military intervention, we have so many lives that have been lost not for democracy, but for corporate interest. Bush should be impeached, but I'm afraid of what economic ramifications would be unleashed on this country. After Nixon's resignation, it took quite some time to recover.

I'll be honest, I did vote for Kerry during the last election, simply because I could not bear the thought of another 4 years of Bush.

I like Buchanan, I've read a couple of his books, "Death of the west", and "where the right went wrong". He's got some great ideas.

But who I really admire is Ron Paul, he is one of only 3 congressman who did not sign the resolution to authorize Bush to declare war on Iraq.
He has launched an exploratory committee for president in 08. He also is my congressman here in Texas. He is not the typical republican, and ran as the libertarian candidate in 1988. He believes in a foreign policy of non-intervention, fiscal responsibility, limited government intrusion on the lives of Americans, as well as tax reform. As soon as he formally announces his candidacy, I plan to volunteer in his campaign. Oh, I almost forgot, he also opposes illegal immigration ( no guest worker program or amnesty deal), and recommends repealing the fourteenth amendment, that allows the astronmical number of "anchor babies" to automatically become U.S. citizens.


I can't get behind any of the democrats, simply because they have not satisfied my questions, other than to pander to illegal advocates, and support Bush's guest worker program. In my mind, they use illegals to expand their welfare state, and to use as a potential voting bloc. Have heard any of them come out and say that they are opposed to illegal immigration? I know that there are some moderates, and a couple conservatives, but none have been very vocal on this issue.

Just for the record, I greatly admired the late Molly Ivins, she will always be a part of Texas, although I know she was born in California. So, you see, I don't really abhor all democrats, just the really liberal ones, and those who put politcal gain before what is best for this country, but then, the same can be said for republicans as well.

Originally Posted by JAK

Why the hate and the disrespect toward me?..Im just trying to debate in peace...Why is the Tancredo types so aggressive and angry...Im just a n immigrant trying to help you understand why your ideology is wrong headed.

I swear the people of Mexico and central american sure do act as if they are the only ones who came to the country for a better life. I came here from Chile when I was a toddler. I love this country. Guess what? EVERY IMMIGRANT COMES HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE. What makes Mexico so special. It is obvious to the rest of latin american, there will be no hope for Mexico or her cowardly runaways. My family came here because we loved this country. We were not running away from anthing and once a year we go to Chile as a family I will never forget the first time I was iconversing w/-english speaking illegal alien from Mexico. The impression I get from these people is that they education is something to be made fun of, birth control is a no, they expect anyone who is a non-mexican latino to convert to their filty ghetto way of speaking the mexican language,.Jst me, my parents are both of direct catala descent and those people do not speak spanish. I have pretty much forgotten most of my castillian spanish however I am starting to learn again and practicing because it seems that everytime I go to the store, there is some non-english speaking(or pretending to not speak english) hispanic person who is holding up the line. grew up in a prodominantly south american neighborhood-mostly made up of educated legal immigrants.l The impression just about all of us get from illegal aliens from Mexico is that they are very chauvenistic, primative and dont seem to value education. I notice a lot of illegal aliens from mexico and central america will expect their kids to learn the language but refuse to lead by example. (learning english with the kids.)


I lived the american dream, from being an illegal to now green card holder, and i want to explain to you what immigrants has to go throught.

I know you are upset that im now legal because you'd prefer see me starve in my home country, but i work my butt off, harder then probably a lot of americans and look at me now, im the american dream, whether you like it or not.

I don't think anyone here has a problem with you prospering! ...and get over thinking that you work harder than anyone else ...you don't! Americans are hard working people too!
THE QUESTION IS: WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR DEMANDS TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY INSTEAD OF DEMANDING THEM HERE???? DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT???? YOU KNOW THIS IS WRONG, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THAT WE TELL YOU WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW !

Because we have corrupt billionaires who WILL DO ANYTHING FOR THE ALMIGHT DOLLAR...EVEN DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY!!! If you are such a christian you would have to admit this to yourself!!!

TELL YOUR OWN CORRUPT GOVERNMENT YOUR DEMANDS...quite frankly we are sick and tired of hearing them! YOU think you have found the American dream...well you are closer than you think to GETTING IT RIPPED AWAY FROM YOU....JUST LIKE THE REST OF US...the only difference is that YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT!

What Americans have created....LIARS, CHEATERS, A PEOPLE THINKING THAT THE WORLD OWES THEM AND WON'T STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, BUT WILL COLONIZE ANOTHER COUNTRY BY THE MASSES TO GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND A GOVERNMENT THAT IS FILLED WITH CORRUPTION ON BOTH SIDES ...IF THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!...will destroy it in a few short years. Thats really something to be proud of!!!

so....even if you people do get what you want (AMNESTY) what will you have gained???? EXACTLY WHAT YOU LEFT BEHIND!!!!!!

Originally Posted by eat

O.K. Cassie,

I hate the fact that we are once again involved in yet another military intervention, we have so many lives that have been lost not for democracy, but for corporate interest.

exactly, exactly, exactly. I've been saying this all time long ! Halliburton and greedy companies expect us to give our blood for their money. Corporate interest is already selling this country out to illegals, and yet thet want us to fight a war too for greedy busineses.

Bush should be impeached, but I'm afraid of what economic ramifications would be unleashed on this country. After Nixon's resignation, it took quite some time to recover.

Bush should be impeached, only if it's sure that Cheney won't take his place.

I'll be honest, I did vote for Kerry during the last election, simply because I could not bear the thought of another 4 years of Bush.

I have always voted Democrat.

I like Buchanan, I've read a couple of his books, "Death of the west", and "where the right went wrong". He's got some great ideas.

I've got death of the west and state of emergency.
I like Pat, he's an honest man.

But who I really admire is Ron Paul, he is one of only 3 congressman who did not sign the resolution to authorize Bush to declare war on Iraq..

I don't know too much about Ron Paul. But if he wants to stop the war and illegal immigration, he could be an interesting man.

I can't get behind any of the democrats, simply because they have not satisfied my questions, other than to pander to illegal advocates, and support Bush's guest worker program. In my mind, they use illegals to expand their welfare state, and to use as a potential voting bloc. Have heard any of them come out and say that they are opposed to illegal immigration? I know that there are some moderates, and a couple conservatives, but none have been very vocal on this issue.

I like Al gore, he deserves to be president, he should have been president in 2000, but the Republicans stole the elections. I feel also sorry for Gore, and he needs a second chance, and he need my vote.

People that support bush' war, must also support his amnesty, they are all linked to evil.

Why?



Because you say so?!........




Neils
8:58 am
02/13/2007