Thread: Hillary! I don't think so.

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

You and your constitution ! Why do you keep referring to it all the time ???

You really can't be serious, can you

NJ is almost as bad as NY, btw. No argument there.

It's just annoying that you come up with the constitution all the time. I've been reading your posts for the last 2 days, and you not only rub the constitution in my face, you also mention it when you discuss with other posters here.

CASSIE
I'm thrilled that you are reading my posts. Thank you for the honor.

However, you said something very ODD in that I "rub" the CONSTITUTION in your face and mention it to other posters.
Let me say to you that if you feel that it's being 'rubbed' in your face, something is askew as it's an integral part of our nation and the difficulties that we now face and have faced in the past. I would say that you're misinterpreting what I wrote or that you are very limited in your understanding of what the Constitution means to our country, our rule of law, our economy, to our politics and especially to our method of Voting.

May I ask you a question?

Great.

1. Why do you think that the Constitution is not a part of this issue or any issue concerning our country?
2. Why do you think that the Constitution has nothing to do with the president or the presidential election?
3. Why do you think that people from other countries and their opinions should have an impact on our policies but not the Constitution?

I believe that your answers will help to solve the problem and I know that we are all anxiously waiting to read them so that we can better understand how you have arrived at your thinking process.

Cassie wrote:

I know I put too much energy in bashin Bush, but he's such an idiot. I will not disrespect God or you believing in God, it's just my personal experiences that I'm 100% sure there can't be a God.

Illegal immigration is a part of politics, and that makes debating politics very important too. I'll do everything possible to stop new illegals from coming into this country, but I'll put even more energy in preventing another Bush alike person in the White House. We can't fight illegal immigration without our politicians, sad but true.

You can bash Bush all you want as far as I am concerned. However action has always been much more effective for me like faxes, emails, phone calls etc. I am working hard to get the politicians attention in reference to all the critical issues and remind them that they were put in their positions by Ameican citizens and we can take them out of them!!! I DO not want another Bush either!!! I am not at all fond of Bush, but I do love this country and am putting lots of effort into fighting everything that is trying to destroy it.

Sometimes debate becomes an empty battle when both sides are at stalemate. It would be more productive to join together on the part of the issue that both sides agree on and kick some butt.

Thank for respecting that I believe in God. I am sorry to hear that you do not, because he can be a huge comfort. I am sure you have your reasons for what you believe. Even though the majority here at Alipac does not agree with you about Hillary, we do agree with you that illegal immigration must be stopped!

I am so use to Bush bashing it doesnt bother me and in honesty I guess you could say I am more of an indepent. I have voted Rupblican since I started voting which was in 2000, befor that I wasn't old enough when election came around. I supported Bush for his morals and because he was the first president in a very long time that wasn't afraid to make some people mad by saying he was a Christian. Now maybe he is or maybe he isn't but I have to take him at his word and I havent seen any reason not to belive him. We have had wars forever and This War on Terror or your so called Bush war is going to last for the rest of our lives and the lives of our childrens lives. That is a fact no matter if we pull out of Iraq or not. They hate us and want to kill us and as far as the Lainos that are wanting to punish us for taking the Indians land well I have Indian blood that runs threw my vein ! Yea I also have alittle scottish and German in there too. I think that the Indians are very taking care of since they DO NOT pay taxes which is fine with me(As long as the illegals do) They have Casinos in States where Gambling is illegal as in my state of NC. Of course we have the lottery now and poker machines but it is illegal to Pay out. I don't hear the Indians complaining about anything. But then I don't get around much I guess, Does anyone know of an Action being taken by The Indians????(Native American Indians That is

2ndamendsis wrote:

1’What does OTHER NATION'S CITIZENS have to do with AMERICAN elections?

Nothing, but you must also understand that we’re so powerful, and that the government we elect will have a direct impact on people on the other side of the globe. It’s the same with Russia, they still have so much power, that if they vote Zjirinovski, it will have a huge impact on India and the US. The Russians still have that global responsibility too. Zjirinovski said he wants to nuke India and New York, take Alaska from us and make it Russian again, take Chechen republic of the map. We have that same obligation, we can’t have a maniac in the White House either, just like the Russian can’t have one in the Kremlin.

2. Does YOUR opinion mean a tinker's damn in their elections?

This is irrelevant because European nations are weak and their policy won’t affect us.

3. How can you love YOUR COUNTRY when they elect an idiot?
YOUR COUNTRY is NOT the government firstly. The government sits by the grace of the people and not the reverse.
{you need to read our Constitution in order to educate yourself in the uniqueness of the foundation of the USA}

We saw what a mess Bush made in his first term, why reelect him for a second term. This is what I just can’t understand. We knew he lied to us, and yet we reelected him.

And if that were the case, then we should ALL hate our country for having elected the biggest idiot and traitor of all............Klinton.

I never said that Clinton was perfect, compared to bush he is. Clinton's lies didn’t get people killed, this is all what matters to me. Bush lied, we have over 3,000 deaths in Iraq and many more Iraqi deaths. Bush lied for Halliburton, Clinton lied for something innocent – a bj.

If you continue your talk of your disagreement with the government, you would be following the desires of our founding fathers and they would applaud you.

I know what’s in the constitution, I know the Bill of Rights. I’m also aware that many Americans don’t even know their own rights when they're being pulled over by the cops. The Bill of Rights is the most important part of our constitution, which is the most important document in this world. I know the importance of the constitution, but politics should cover more than just the constitution.

It is a very dangerous situation when Americans base their opinions and VOTES on what another nation prefers for our country. Every other nation has only one interest and that is the welfare of their own people and NOT of America and her people. America should have only one interest and that would be what is best for her people.

I disagree on this. We can’t be selfish by thinking what is the best for America alone. What if that the best for America that we carry out a certain policy. We, Americans get on average $100 a month extra, but meanwhile this policy affects other people in other countries that will even feel the burden of poverty more, pollute their land, etc, should we still vote for our own interest ??

Allow me to add that you wouldn't be traveling to Paris or any other area of Europe had the United States of America not saved their sorry, cowardly hides during WWII. Certainly NOT PFrance, who actually turned Paris over to the Nazis!!! and then celebrated the takeover of their country! Other than the UK, europe folded like a wet napkin in the face of danger.

I wasn’t born when WWII took place. The Europeans don’t have to thank us, most of them were not even born then. I’m not a person that looks back to the past.

Originally Posted by Kate

There will always be people that dislike us. Let me give you another example. Most Europeans I know supported Clinton over Dole in 1996, supported Gore over Bush in 2000, supported Kerry over Bush in 2004, this indicates that they are interested who is our president. Their dislike of Bush is so great, that it will give some foreigners an excuse to bash us Americans. I will continue my negative talk of this president and this country. We reelected this moron of a president in 2004 ! How can I love my country when its citizens reelected an idiot ?!

Cassie, I think you've at least partially answered your own question. Do you see a pattern here? Clinton, Gore and Kerry, all being Democrats, would naturally would be aligned most closely with the socialistic ideologies of European countries. I agree that the Iraq war is a major point of contention. But, even without the war, these countries would probably prefer American politicians from the party that enthusiastically shares their perspective.

Hihihi, this is very true ! I answered my own questions without even knowing it myself. Europeans are liberal, generally speaking. The democrats are liberals, or at least on the left side of the Republicans, and we share / represent the view of most Europeans too.

Originally Posted by PatrioticSandra

I don't think it make a whole lot of since for us to give a CRAP what other Countries like they can kiss my GRITS and so can you. I think you are about as American as Osama Binladen, Dang right they didnt want Bush in office because he won't take there SH*T like little Billy boy and Runaway Kerry would, Now I am Mad Like I said Bush sucks on Immagration but Kerry and the Clintons Just SUCK !!!!!!!

What is grits ?? Do you mean that Southern food / way of cooking ??
What has this to do with our discussion ??? Bush lied and this got people killed, how on earth can you defend a liar !!! Clinton lied about a bj, but that got nobody killed !!!

I don't like grits by the way, I like my home made cake, and Asian / Italian food.

Originally Posted by cassie

I’m not a person that looks back to the past.

No kidding?

Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.

Hi Cassie, I am trying to understand why you feel the way that you do, so I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions:

What brought you to ALIPAC?
Are you affiliated with any other organizations?
You say that you travel to Latin America/South America frequently. Is this for business or pleasure?
Obama and Clinton are your Presidential choices. What policies are you in favor of?
You seem very globally oriented. Why?
It seems that you are more concerned about what other countries think than being loyal to your own country. Why?
You seem to have a great deal of sympathy towards countries that have every intention of killing us. Why?
What are your major news sources?
Why is the title of Democrat more important than the issues?
If there weren't Republicans, who would pay for all of the handouts?
What do you think of celebrities and politics? Are there any that you admire? Why? Do they influence your vote?
Did you grow up in a religious family? If so, what made you change your mind?

I know that is a lot, but I'm sure that I will understand where you are coming from. Thanks.

2ndamendsis wrote:

CASSIE
I'm thrilled that you are reading my posts. Thank you for the honor.

You’re welcome. And of course I read posts before I reply, it’s just civilized to do so

However, you said something very ODD in that I "rub" the CONSTITUTION in your face and mention it to other posters. Let me say to you that if you feel that it's being 'rubbed' in your face, something is askew as it's an integral part of our nation and the difficulties that we now face and have faced in the past. I would say that you're misinterpreting what I wrote or that you are very limited in your understanding of what the Constitution means to our country, our rule of law, our economy, to our politics and especially to our method of Voting.

I know the importance of the Constitution, I know the Bill of rights, I know the Constitution keeps this nation together. You seem to be focussed on 1 thing in politics – the Constitution – there’re so many other issues to debate and yet you only think of the constitution. That is a little annoying to be fairly honest with you. It was also quite rude to mention the constitution when we were talking about Hillary, you acted like if Hillary wouldn’t uphold the constitution, how do you know ??

1. Why do you think that the Constitution is not a part of this issue or any issue concerning our country?

I can’t remember that I said that the Constitution is not important, I just said it was annoying when you bring it up every time.

2. Why do you think that the Constitution has nothing to do with the president or the presidential election?

It has something to do with it, but it’s not the sole issue that we should talk about. How is your Tom Tancredo going to help the poor, improve our education, restore our current bad relations with other nations, how is he going to solve the war in Iraq, what are his international intentions, policies, making sure that all Americans get health care, reduce DUI, making our roads safer, how is he going to bring down air pollution, melting of the poles, environment in general, how is he going to bring us Americas together, lethal diseases in America, etcetera. ??? All I hear Tancredo about is illegal immigration, but no word about any other issues.

3.Why do you think that people from other countries and their opinions should have an impact on our policies but not the Constitution?

Because our policy may affect people in other countries. Or do you think that an Iraqi that lost a loved one is happy that one of our bombs missed its target but killed all his family members. Or that American mother ( Sheehan ??? ) who protested the death of her son at bush’ ranch. ? Who’s fault ? There’s only a few culprits, Bush, Halliburton, and the rest of the GOP.

Originally Posted by Dixie

PatrioticSandra,

Don't let cassie upset you. She doesn't even know what Hillary supports or opposes. She is just tossing her vote around and telling us what her intentions are. I've given her sound advice but she has her mind set on voting on Hillary.

So no big deal.

Dixie

I don’t believe Sandra is upset when I bash the Republicans. Those Republicans bash us Dems too. My mind is set on voting a Democrat. I’m a registered Democrat.

Originally Posted by cassie

How is your Tom Tancredo going to help the poor, improve our education, restore our current bad relations with other nations, how is he going to solve the war in Iraq, what are his international intentions, policies, making sure that all Americans get health care, reduce DUI, making our roads safer, how is he going to bring down air pollution, melting of the poles, environment in general, how is he going to bring us Americas together, lethal diseases in America, etcetera. ???

Um, "cassie," where do you imagine that the President gains the power to engage in those things in bodface above. You claim that you are familiar with the Constitution, but your words do not demonstrate any knowledge of that document whatsoever.

See, "cassie," this is a republic. It is not a "democracy" and it is not a socialist dictatorship or a nanny state. ANY power exercised by the government must be authorized by a grant of the governed. THAT is what the Constitution about and THAT is the reason for the significance of the Constitution in this discussion. Other than his duties as Commander in Chief in the event of war, the President and the various departments of his Executive Branch are only empowered to carry out the laws, regulations and policies authorized by Congress. The powers of Congress are limited first in Article 1, Sec. 8, and then further in Article X of the Bill of Rights. Not one of the items I placed in boldface above is granted by the Constitution and in fact these are all policies and programs meant to be reserved to the states by Article X of the Bill of rights.