Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by vortex

TexasBorn, I agree with you 100 percent. When I look at the whole situation of bills getting pushed through when Congress has not had time to read them or even think about the consequences, nor has the American public had any decent input. And now with the healthcare reform being designed, which will hit each of us in our pocketbooks, and possibly cover all illegals on our dime (of course, we already pay for them through Medicaid for their anchors and using emergency rooms for primary care).
Got an interesting email from the Obama gang. Make an appointment to visit my congressman's and senators' office to talk about healthcare reform. I guess the explosions at town halls require a new strategy.
Obama is now in Mexico, meeting with Calderon and Harper and that has my stomach in knots. The stimulus is still not trickling down to normal folk and the TARP funds have been used to pay huge bonuses.
I think people are becoming very politically aware, which is wonderful, as we have been ignored for too long. Doesn't lead to a stress-free life.

I might add that it isn't just the illegals and the money when it comes to Obamacare, it is also the death wishes for our seniors, many who are active in the fight against illegals. Now the current administrations mouth piece has encouraged his Chicago style thugs to use violence agains the protesters, the army is advertising for a few good men willing to be "Internment/Resettlement (I/R) Specialists" to "provide external security to … detention/internment facilities" and "provide counseling and guidance to individual prisoners within a rehabilitative program." Whatever it means, it does not sound good. We are quickly moving from being in a fight for our country to being into a fight for our vary lives. So excuse us if we don't spend enough quality time on a single front

It's not about Obamanomics. It's all about the U.S. Constitution.
Shall we continue to be a nation of laws under the Constitution?
Or shall we be a mob-ruled rabble in a corrupt banana republic?

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I made a rare visit to China-mart last night and saw many people with baskets of stuff they couldn't possibly need and probably don't even really want. They looked like consumer automatons to me.

The Overlords (the European financiers who are half of the future one-world government, OPEC, and China) don't want a revolt - it's bad for business. They much prefer a nation of sheeple at (forced) peace, comparatively, even though freedom and justice disappear. What do they care about our freedom and justice, as long as we keep paying?

Obamanomics is not the only problem. We need to make sure the 14th Amendment is clearly defined, something I have been yelling about for years. I doubt many countries give automatic citizenship, like we do, to babies born on US soil or in US airspace. We don't need foreign workers taking jobs, and there is globalism, real ID, E-Verify, the SAVE Act, the DREAM Act, possible "immigration reform", the Food Safety Modernization Act, outsourcing and where the American has to train his/her replacement, this country is hated by the most violent around the world that are also coming freely across our borders including drug cartels, Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck are being assaulted about their First Amendment right to free speech and freedom of the press.
The precious words of the Constitution are being assaulted on all fronts. Not only the First Amendment, but the Second and Tenth are also under assault. And there are a lot of other problems starting to bubble, such as foreigners buying or leasing our infrastructure (built by taxpayers dollars) and foreclosed real estate with homes and condos, we pay for translations of our documents and taxpayers pay for translators for illegals, plus granting them Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, etc. Our vital records, including payroll and medical records are most likely in India, and on and on and on.
We have a lot of battles to fight!

My sentiments exactly Minuteman. A revolt is bad for business and they will do anything to prevent one, including the deliberate spreading of lies and deception through absolute control of the media. They now have control over most of the media. Thank God that Fox and several radio personalities have largely resisted to this point and called them out.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

It's not about Obamanomics. It's all about the U.S. Constitution.
Shall we continue to be a nation of laws under the Constitution?
Or shall we be a mob-ruled rabble in a corrupt banana republic?

AOL poll: What do you think of [Lou Dobbs'] coverage of the "birthers" controversy?

Thumbs down 53%
Thumbs up 47%

Total Votes: 125,381

8/9/09 1:40 PM PDT
__________________________________________________

I made a rare visit to China-mart last night and saw many people with baskets of stuff they couldn't possibly need and probably don't even really want. They looked like consumer automatons to me.

The Overlords (the European financiers who are half of the future one-world government, OPEC, and China) don't want a revolt - it's bad for business. They much prefer a nation of sheeple at (forced) peace, comparatively, even though freedom and justice disappear. What do they care about our freedom and justice, as long as we keep paying?

Interesting post and has significant merits. The text is a bit skewed but the message is interesting:

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I make no claim that the Kenya document is authentic or a hoax. I don't know.

I am merely debunking (by request) the WhatReallyHappened.com analysis, which is the usual Obot misinformation.

WhatReallyHappened.com article about the Kenya Registration of Birth

Originally Posted by whatreallyhappened.com

The latest "proof" is the following birth certificate.



The above purports to be a 1964 certified copy of the original 1961 birth certificate. Whether Kenya would spend the resources to recopy all the British birth certificates is open to doubt, but there are two other aspects of this certificate which call its authenticity into doubt.

Let us take a closer look at the document.

Note that the document number is given as 47,044. Obama is a 47 year old chief executive and 44th president of the United States. A rather amazing coincidence.

But only if the document is a hoax, and only if the hoaxer wanted it to include numbers significant to Obama.

The "0" in the middle was also supposed to be the letter "O", standing for "Obama". . . except that it wasn't.

The "0" in the middle does look like a letter "O", but it is not the same as the "O" in "MOMBASA".

The location of birth is given as Mombasa. But Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until December of 1963.

October of 1963, to be exact, but close enough. Like Kenya, Zanzibar was a British protectorate until December, 1963.

This certificate is dated February 1964 and carries the name "Republic of Kenya", Kenya did not formally declare itself a Republic until December of 1964.

On Dec. 12, 1963, the Constitution of Kenya declared the country "the Republic of Kenya." Some newspaper articles from 1963 also used that name. It had been understood even before independence that the country would be called "the Republic of Kenya." That name was formally declared on the first anniversary of independence, but "Republic of Kenya" had been used from the date of independence and even before that.

EF Lavender (the name given as Registrar) is a laundry detergent.

And by this do you mean . . . the Registrar is a laundry detergent?
The laundry detergent is Earth Friendly Lavender, not E.F. Lavender. E.F. Lavender was the name of the Registrar.

More accurately, from the image of this document before hackers altered it, the name of the Registrar was K.F. Lavouder.

The certificate uses the label "Christian name" in a nation that is predominantly Mus|im.

False. You have probably been listening to someone who claimed that the United States is a Mus|im nation.
That someone's cousin, Raila Odinga, has led the recent black Arab thrust into Kenya, pressing for Shari'a law.

However, just as Anglicans largely evangelized Uganda, Lutherans almost completely evangelized Kenya.
On a recent (2000?) census, 88.5% of those between age 15 and 45 (or 50?) called themselves Christians.

Kenya was independent in 1964 and not likely to be using British regulatory paperwork.

Why not? The form was perfectly satisfactory, and there was no need to change the printer's original except to put "Republic of Kenya" on it.

Obama is a rather amazing man to have so many birth certificates!

If you think that's amazing, wait until you see how many Social Security numbers he has!

The hoaxers have claimed that this certificate [the computer image of an Hawaii Certification of Live Birth] provided by the Obama campaign is a fake, but have yet to produce any evidence to back that claim up.

PLEASE! Don't go about using "hoaxers" interchangeably with "birthers"! If you have to call us "birthers", then we will wear your intended insult proudly. But don't insinuate that we created a document to make fools of ourselves, which may have been the hoaxers' intent (if this image should turn out to be a hoax).

The Obots have attempted to discredit TechDude and Dr. Ron Polarik (pseudonyms) by personal attacks, but with very few exceptions, these counterfeiting and forgery experts' facts, theories, arguments, and conclusions are still unbreached and unassailable.

Their approach, straight out of the Napoleonic code, is to make continual accusations and demand that the accused prove their innocence. They hope that simply by repeating a claim often enough, useful idiots will come to believe it.

"Accuse the opposition of doing what you are doing yourselves." This Obot SOP was taught by

1) Saul Alinsky
2) Joseph Stalin
3) Vladimir Lenin
4) Leon Trotsky
5) Karl Marx
6) the accuser, Satan

Select all that apply.

But here in the United States, we follow the principle that the ACCUSER must prove the accused guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.

It depends on the type of case.

Any applicant for a job must allow verification of his qualifications; to refuse to do so is itself a disqualifying act.
Civil suits do not assume, "Innocent until proven guilty;" they are different from criminal suits.
When my daddy gave me a whipping, I was assumed guilty until proven innocent . . . and never once did I prove my innocence.

Leo Donofrio filed a Quo Warranto complaint in Washington, D.C., which is the prescribed way to bring suit for unlawful conduct against politicians and government employees in the District. Quo Warranto specifically requires that the accused present his credentials, rather than that the prosecutor find the credentials which the accused is hiding.

There were no "provinces" in Kenya until 1970. Prior to that they were called "Districts".

At least partially incorrect.

Barack Obama, Snr., was born in Kanyadhiang village in Rachuonyo District, which is an administrative district in the Nyanza Province of Kenya.

You did recognize that Mombasa was part of Zanzibar when Barack Obama II was born? You can't say "Zanzibar" in one paragraph, and in another paragraph, apply to that same place and time the laws and regulations of Kenya.

Oh, you did? Pardon me, I wasn't thinking... that's just what Obots do.
a = b and at the same time a >< b ... it's the dualist philosophy of India ... or maybe just the Indian ganga.

Obama's father would have been either 24 or maybe 25 when Obama was born. The certificate gives his age as 26.

I'm glad you have such good eyes. I can't say for certain whether that is a "6" or a "5". The lower loop of the character is more circular than the elliptical lower loops of the sixes elsewhere on the document.

Either the Kenya Registration misprinted the senior Barack Obama's age, or his tombstone incorrectly dated his birth in 1936. I'd be inclined to believe the tombstone over an unverified computer image, but your guess is as good as mine. Either way, an arguable typo for the father's age on a Registration of Birth is immaterial to showing that Barack Obama II was born in Mombasa, Kenya, on the date shown.

The document peculiarities which WhatReallyHappened.com discusses are the least of the problems with this Registration of Birth. They didn't even mention the absence of registrar signatures; the South Australia Bomford Registration with its matching registrar and district registrar names, the matching "No. 495" and the matching book number; and the bogus looking "embossed seal," which appears to be a rubbing of a two-shilling piece. The remaining arguments by WRH have already been answered in numerous places, so I'll call it a night.

But I'll leave you with this puzzle. The Hawaii Div. of Vital Records prints Hawaii COLBs on lightweight paper that is thin enough for the Registrar's signature stamp and the date stamp to bleed through. How then does the bifolded first generation paper copy that FactCheck has photographed and displayed not sag in the picture below? It looks like 24-pound paper stock.



Again, I make no claim that the Kenya document is authentic or a hoax. I don't know.

Please pray for Dr. Orly Taitz. She received another death threat early Saturday morning.

I saw you on MSNBC - My hate for you russian evil woman trying to overthrow our U.S. government only grew. I think you should be tried for sedition and for the comments you made about raising a militia you should be hung for. I'm serious. It should be broadcast on national TV .. There has never been a person more deserving of death penalty under U.S. law than you.

The IP address has been tracked back to the sender, who has been reported to the FBI. Pray that the FBI will take this seriously and act.

Pray for Dr. Taitz to be supernaturally protected, especially in this month leading up to the Keyes v. Obama trial. Pray that she will get enough sleep so that she can cope with troublemakers and the hassles that one might expect from certain Obama supporters. Pray that the person who sent the note will not act out in some insane expression of hate.

"Accuse the opposition of doing what you are doing yourselves." This Obot SOP was taught by

1) Saul Alinsky
2) Joseph Stalin
3) Vladimir Lenin
4) Leon Trotsky
5) Karl Marx
6) the accuser, Satan

Select all that apply.

Oh this administration would NEVER accuse us of what they are doing themselves!

Signed,

An Astro turf member of the angry mob

(If you can't see this is dripping with sarcasm, get your eyes checked)

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Please pray for Dr. Orly Taitz. She received another death threat early Saturday morning.

I saw you on MSNBC … My hate for you russian evil woman trying to overthrow our U.S. government only grew. I think you should be tried for sedition and for the comments you made about raising a militia you should be hung for. I’m serious. It should be broadcast on national TV .. There has never been a person more deserving of death penalty under U.S. law than you.

The IP address has been tracked back to the sender, who has been reported to the FBI. Pray that the FBI will take this seriously and act.

Pray for Dr. Taitz to be supernaturally protected, especially in this month leading up to the Keyes v. Obama trial. Pray that she will get enough sleep so that she can cope with troublemakers and the hassles that one might expect from certain Obama supporters. Pray that the person who sent the note will not act out in some insane expression of hate.

Minuteman, those that seek to hide the truth to protect their interests have no boundaries of decency. It is being done before our very eyes and all decent Americans will see it for what it is. The truth will be known.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn about death threats to Orly Taitz,

Minuteman, those that seek to hide the truth to protect their interests have no boundaries of decency. It is being done before our very eyes and all decent Americans will see it for what it is. The truth will be known.

GOD FORBID
that anyone physically attack or verbally threaten to harm Mr. Obama.

1. That would be a sin, a crime, and an evil work.

2. It would be a violent act against the continuity of the U.S. government.

3. It would cause the enacting of martial law, which would make life unbearable for defenders of the Constitution.

4. It would be a gigantic goad into action to the far left and to the Obama camp in particular.

5. It would give other countries a reason to question or challenge the authority of any Constitutionally conservative administration which might follow the present usurpation.

6. It would create a martyr, establishing Mr. Obama within the ranks of Pres. Abraham Lincoln, Pres. John F. Kennedy, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, and Pres. Ronald Reagan, who was very nearly assassinated.

7. It would invoke Mr. Obama's life insurance policy: Joe Biden would become the new de facto President - not just ProTem for three months or so until a lawful election could take place, but for the full three and a half years until Jan. 15, 2013

Consider how the regrettable murder of George Tiller has set back the pro-life movement and alienated many people who were on the fence about overturning Roe v. Wade. So refuse to entertain any violent thoughts, and should anyone approach you with talk of assassination spoken with murderous intent, simply say,

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT!

Don't talk about it, don't listen to anyone else talk about it, don't even think about it!

"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." - Ephesians 4:29 (NLT)