Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

All of the arguments for or against Obama's NBC status or eligibility are moot without verifiable objective evidence and the trail thereof.

I still argue the point that given the divisiveness of this issue and the suspicion that will continue to build and plague this presidency, why would someone who has nothing to hide, continue to hide? In this regard, apply your own common sense and if one is intellectually honest they can only conclude that these are not the actions of a servant of the people but the actions of a self serving politician who intends to maintain his power at any cost! He cannot and should not survive politically beyond his first term in office. Ask yourselves, are we to become slaves of a government who live by one set of rules while we live by another? Will we be required to bare all while they bare nothing? Is this not tyranny?

Bingo! and add an "Amen" to that. It's the concealment that really belies what this man said about bringing us an Open and Transparent new administration.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by vortex

I have learned a lot about the pro and con arguments about the BC. Interesting and eloquent postings.
I have one request: can some of you folks get off of this thread and see how the country is coming apart at the seams? And the BC problem has nothing to do with it.
I know it is fun to debate this, but we need help in lots of battles, starting with loopholes so illegals get Obamacare, biased media, illegal crimes being only misdemeanors, illegals getting a redo of our prison system to make them more comfy, anchor babies bankrupting so many states, citizens and legal immigrants losing jobs to cheap illegals, attempts to quash mandatory E-Verify for all employers in Congress, more debt than our great-great grandchildren will ever repay as they won't be able to earn an income, because their jobs have either been taken by cheap illegals or have been outsourced, or they have been replaced by some visa holder.
Call me every name in the book if you wish, but I consider myself looking at all that is going on in this country and am truly worried. We are stuck with Obama and a Democrat Congress, which seems to be falling apart. We really don't need diversions keeping us off the main points.

Vortex, you are making an assumption about those of us interested in this topic...that we aren't already active in writing, calling, emailing, attending meetings etc. to address serious and pressing issues that face us. At least in my case, you would be wrong on all counts. Could it be that perhaps you see those of us who believe in this cause as lunatic fringe elements? Sometimes I wonder myself. As I'm sure that you have keenly noticed, Alipac consists of a very diverse group of people and diverse opinions. That's why there are areas within the Alipac site for "Other Issues and Topics". I am sure that someone would be glad to take you on a tour to see this diversity firsthand.

Vortex: Consider that "some" of us may have been and will continue to be heavy contributors to candidates who, if elected, would address the concerns you enumerated above. I'm not talking hundreds but thousands of dollars in donations to help good people get elected.

That's truly the solution because, as many might need to be made aware, a lot of the "officialdom critters" think they have the focused-interest-groups all figured out and they don't often change their minds or their votes just because they get a barrage of mail. They mentally map out how a relatively small group (statistically speaking) might be able to make a big noise (lots of mail, email, phone calls) on a given issue, and then they have their staffers write weasel-worded form letters trying to put a "good spin" on why they will hold to their original position and vote as they originally planned.

The key is not to "change minds" of people in office but to "change the people" in office to those who already have "sane minds" and sound thinking on these issues. The mid-term election of 2010 needs to be HUGE. And if the economy continues to be weak and if the pace of gaffes coming out of this Administration continues, it will be huge.

Originally Posted by vortex

We are stuck with Obama and a Democrat Congress, which seems to be falling apart. We really don't need diversions keeping us off the main points.

Americans are angry, and they want their constitutional republic restored. When that happens, most of the concerns you are fretting about will be resolved. That's our job, yours and mine - law enforcement - to make sure our government, at all levels, begins to obey our nation's laws.

At this time, Obama represents the head of the lawless snake of government, and that's why we seek the truth about him and why we seek to remove him as soon as possible.

As far as Congress is concerned, their time is coming - I suspect 2010 will see change the socialists don't want to see. Right now the majority of Congress represents an internal, lawless and socialist enemy of America, and that will need to be fixed in the town meetings and at the polls.

America also needs to restore its lawful money system and dissolve the Federal Reserve Bank (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18077819/Patm ... r-on-Money and http://www.conservativeusa.org/vieir100.htm).

State's rights also have to be restored - the fed is the state's servant - not the other way around. Our nation is a confederation of states, not a consolidation of states. The 'Principles of '98' are valid and need to be re-learned and re-enforced once again. This video by Thomas E. Woods, history professor, is wonderful: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3363208310.

Re-imposing the 'Missing 13th Amendment' should also be on our to-do list, because, as difficult as it might be getting it back into the Constitution, I believe it would solve many of the problems we face today (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18029501/The- ... -Amendment and http://www.scribd.com/doc/18237333/Cons ... Maine-1825 - shows the actual 13th Amendment in print).

As you suggest, the problems Americans face are many and resolving them is going to take time. Having said that, it will serve us no good to attack those of us working on this single effort to remove Obama. Obama is a lawless Chicago thug and he simply needs to be removed before he completely destroys our republic.

We are all in this together. We all want the same thing.

We all want our constitutional republic restored.

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

The key is not to "change minds" of people in office but to "change the people" in office to those who already have "sane minds" and sound thinking on these issues. The mid-term election of 2010 needs to be HUGE. And if the economy continues to be weak and if the pace of gaffes coming out of this Administration continues, it will be huge.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by vortex

I have learned a lot about the pro and con arguments about the BC. Interesting and eloquent postings.
I have one request: can some of you folks get off of this thread and see how the country is coming apart at the seams? And the BC problem has nothing to do with it.
I know it is fun to debate this, but we need help in lots of battles, starting with loopholes so illegals get Obamacare, biased media, illegal crimes being only misdemeanors, illegals getting a redo of our prison system to make them more comfy, anchor babies bankrupting so many states, citizens and legal immigrants losing jobs to cheap illegals, attempts to quash mandatory E-Verify for all employers in Congress, more debt than our great-great grandchildren will ever repay as they won't be able to earn an income, because their jobs have either been taken by cheap illegals or have been outsourced, or they have been replaced by some visa holder.
Call me every name in the book if you wish, but I consider myself looking at all that is going on in this country and am truly worried. We are stuck with Obama and a Democrat Congress, which seems to be falling apart. We really don't need diversions keeping us off the main points.

Vortex, you are making an assumption about those of us interested in this topic...that we aren't already active in writing, calling, emailing, attending meetings etc. to address serious and pressing issues that face us. At least in my case, you would be wrong on all counts. Could it be that perhaps you see those of us who believe in this cause as lunatic fringe elements? Sometimes I wonder myself. As I'm sure that you have keenly noticed, Alipac consists of a very diverse group of people and diverse opinions. That's why there are areas within the Alipac site for "Other Issues and Topics". I am sure that someone would be glad to take you on a tour to see this diversity firsthand.

I too am working hard on various topics that all lead back to one thing. The desecration of our Constitution and Mockery of those of us who want that document enforced on all levels.

The gentleman speaking in the following video pretty well sums up the root cause of all of our problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y98HxYbsdBM

I am so active that I got an invitation to a free invitation only picnic with my rep. I do research for a number of sites fighting a number of issues in this fight to get our country back. Unless you know what you are talking about, I suggest you do not lecture us on our duties. I spend a good 8-10 hours a day minimum fighting for our country, how much time do you spend?

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by vortex

I have learned a lot about the pro and con arguments about the BC. Interesting and eloquent postings.
I have one request: can some of you folks get off of this thread and see how the country is coming apart at the seams? And the BC problem has nothing to do with it.
I know it is fun to debate this, but we need help in lots of battles, starting with loopholes so illegals get Obamacare, biased media, illegal crimes being only misdemeanors, illegals getting a redo of our prison system to make them more comfy, anchor babies bankrupting so many states, citizens and legal immigrants losing jobs to cheap illegals, attempts to quash mandatory E-Verify for all employers in Congress, more debt than our great-great grandchildren will ever repay as they won't be able to earn an income, because their jobs have either been taken by cheap illegals or have been outsourced, or they have been replaced by some visa holder.
Call me every name in the book if you wish, but I consider myself looking at all that is going on in this country and am truly worried. We are stuck with Obama and a Democrat Congress, which seems to be falling apart. We really don't need diversions keeping us off the main points.

Vortex, you are making an assumption about those of us interested in this topic...that we aren't already active in writing, calling, emailing, attending meetings etc. to address serious and pressing issues that face us. At least in my case, you would be wrong on all counts. Could it be that perhaps you see those of us who believe in this cause as lunatic fringe elements? Sometimes I wonder myself. As I'm sure that you have keenly noticed, Alipac consists of a very diverse group of people and diverse opinions. That's why there are areas within the Alipac site for "Other Issues and Topics". I am sure that someone would be glad to take you on a tour to see this diversity firsthand.

Vortex: Consider that "some" of us may have been and will continue to be heavy contributors to candidates who, if elected, would address the concerns you enumerated above. I'm not talking hundreds but thousands of dollars in donations to help good people get elected.

That's truly the solution because, as many might need to be made aware, a lot of the "officialdom critters" think they have the focused-interest-groups all figured out and they don't often change their minds or their votes just because they get a barrage of mail. They mentally map out how a relatively small group (statistically speaking) might be able to make a big noise (lots of mail, email, phone calls) on a given issue, and then they have their staffers write weasel-worded form letters trying to put a "good spin" on why they will hold to their original position and vote as they originally planned.

The key is not to "change minds" of people in office but to "change the people" in office to those who already have "sane minds" and sound thinking on these issues. The mid-term election of 2010 needs to be HUGE. And if the economy continues to be weak and if the pace of gaffes coming out of this Administration continues, it will be huge.

You are 100000% correct, I just hope we have until 2010 and that ACORN does not find a way to rig the vote

Originally Posted by cayla99

I spend a good 8-10 hours a day minimum fighting for our country, how much time do you spend?

cayla99, thank you for your tireless service to keep America free and just. If you volunteer your time, I thank you most profusely and with sincere gratitude.

The operative word here is SOME. Many folks are out there on other subjects to protest about and I am sure state legislatures, US Reps. and Senators are getting tired of hearing from me. And I volunteer for campaigns, as well as contribute.
Point being, some (okay, a few) have been mired on this thread for a long time and nowhere else. No insult to anyone meant or fingers pointed, but we kinda miss you out there.

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by vortex

I have learned a lot about the pro and con arguments about the BC. Interesting and eloquent postings.
I have one request: can some of you folks get off of this thread and see how the country is coming apart at the seams? And the BC problem has nothing to do with it.
I know it is fun to debate this, but we need help in lots of battles, starting with loopholes so illegals get Obamacare, biased media, illegal crimes being only misdemeanors, illegals getting a redo of our prison system to make them more comfy, anchor babies bankrupting so many states, citizens and legal immigrants losing jobs to cheap illegals, attempts to quash mandatory E-Verify for all employers in Congress, more debt than our great-great grandchildren will ever repay as they won't be able to earn an income, because their jobs have either been taken by cheap illegals or have been outsourced, or they have been replaced by some visa holder.
Call me every name in the book if you wish, but I consider myself looking at all that is going on in this country and am truly worried. We are stuck with Obama and a Democrat Congress, which seems to be falling apart. We really don't need diversions keeping us off the main points.

Vortex, you are making an assumption about those of us interested in this topic...that we aren't already active in writing, calling, emailing, attending meetings etc. to address serious and pressing issues that face us. At least in my case, you would be wrong on all counts. Could it be that perhaps you see those of us who believe in this cause as lunatic fringe elements? Sometimes I wonder myself. As I'm sure that you have keenly noticed, Alipac consists of a very diverse group of people and diverse opinions. That's why there are areas within the Alipac site for "Other Issues and Topics". I am sure that someone would be glad to take you on a tour to see this diversity firsthand.

Vortex: Consider that "some" of us may have been and will continue to be heavy contributors to candidates who, if elected, would address the concerns you enumerated above. I'm not talking hundreds but thousands of dollars in donations to help good people get elected.

That's truly the solution because, as many might need to be made aware, a lot of the "officialdom critters" think they have the focused-interest-groups all figured out and they don't often change their minds or their votes just because they get a barrage of mail. They mentally map out how a relatively small group (statistically speaking) might be able to make a big noise (lots of mail, email, phone calls) on a given issue, and then they have their staffers write weasel-worded form letters trying to put a "good spin" on why they will hold to their original position and vote as they originally planned.

The key is not to "change minds" of people in office but to "change the people" in office to those who already have "sane minds" and sound thinking on these issues. The mid-term election of 2010 needs to be HUGE. And if the economy continues to be weak and if the pace of gaffes coming out of this Administration continues, it will be huge.

We live in both very exciting and extraordinarily dangerous times. Exciting in that the recent election has awakened the electorate, a sleeping giant, hungry for change, truth, transparency and a return to constitutional government. Dangerous because our government has run amok and no longer represents the will of the people, but rather the will of ideologues and thugs bent on destroying and reconstructing an entire country into their own twisted image of a social utopia that benefits the few in power and enslaves the population which it was meant to serve.
We are all witness to the staggering erosion of our constitutional government and therein our rights as a free and sovereign people. We are witness to the election of a messianic figure, eerily similar to that of a charismatic and benevolent madman who lead to the destruction of Germany and Europe, the death of millions, and the rise of the Soviet Union. And yet, there are those who choose not to see and ask, "How can this be? It could never happen here."

I do believe that our next congressional and presidential election cycles are the most important in the history of this country and may well determine the fate of our nation.

I hereby relinquish my soapbox and leave it to the next fringe lunatic

TexasBorn, I agree with you 100 percent. When I look at the whole situation of bills getting pushed through when Congress has not had time to read them or even think about the consequences, nor has the American public had any decent input. And now with the healthcare reform being designed, which will hit each of us in our pocketbooks, and possibly cover all illegals on our dime (of course, we already pay for them through Medicaid for their anchors and using emergency rooms for primary care).
Got an interesting email from the Obama gang. Make an appointment to visit my congressman's and senators' office to talk about healthcare reform. I guess the explosions at town halls require a new strategy.
Obama is now in Mexico, meeting with Calderon and Harper and that has my stomach in knots. The stimulus is still not trickling down to normal folk and the TARP funds have been used to pay huge bonuses.
I think people are becoming very politically aware, which is wonderful, as we have been ignored for too long. Doesn't lead to a stress-free life.