Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Sadly, we also have this post from Leo's site:

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BuckeyeTexan Says:
September 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Orly may not even get the chance to request discovery. She may be disbarred after the fiasco in Judge Land’s court. The following is a letter from Orly’s client in that case to Judge Land.

September 18, 2009
To the Honorable Judge Land:

Currently, I am shipping out to Iraq for my deployment. I became aware on last night’s local news that a Motion to Stay my deployment had been entered on my behalf. I did not authorize this motion to be filed. I thank you for hearing my case and respect the ruling given on September 16, 2009. It is evident that the original filing for the TRO and such was full of political conjecture which was not my interest. I had no intention of refusing orders nor will I. I simply wanted to verify the lawfulness of my orders. I am honored to serve my country and thank you for doing the same.

With that said please withdraw the Motion to Stay filed by Ms. Taitz this past Thursday. I did not authorize it and do not wish to proceed. Ms. Taitz never requested my permission nor did I give it. I would not have been aware of this if I did not see it on the late news on Thursday night before going to board my plane to Iraq on Friday, September 18, 2009.

Furthermore, I do not wish for Ms. Taitz to file any future motions or represent me in any way in this court. It is my plan to file a complaint with the California State Bar due to her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.

I am faxing this as was advised by Tim, who works in the District Clerk’s office. I will mail the original copy of this letter once I have arrive in Iraq.

Respectfully,
CPT Connie M. Rhodes, MD

http://ia311028.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... 5.18.0.pdf

Additionally, Judge Land has filed an order dismissing Orly’s appeal of his original dismissal as well as notifying Orly of his intentions of imposing a $10K sanction on her for misconduct.

http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... 5.17.0.pdf

[Ed. Wow. That's intense.]

This is strange, very strange.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

It looks like the Dept of Justice lawyers might have edited out some key phrases from their citation of 3 U.S.C.15 in the case before Judge Carter. The part that explicitly requires the VP to call out for any objections after the Electoral vote has been counted and presented.

Donofrio's latest blog goes into some detail about it. This opens the door to a showing that the political process WAS NOT followed and it should help prevent a dismissal.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

Good find. Leo's comments to a poster's 9-18 comments:

"I sense people getting nervous today. My blog hits and comments are off the charts."

I hope that Taitz and Donofrio can join forces as it seems this could be a powerful symbiotic relationship.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

It looks like the Dept of Justice lawyers might have edited out some key phrases from their citation of 3 U.S.C.15 in the case before Judge Carter. The part that explicitly requires the VP to call out for any objections after the Electoral vote has been counted and presented.

Donofrio's latest blog goes into some detail about it. This opens the door to a showing that the political process WAS NOT followed and it should help prevent a dismissal.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

Good find. Leo's comments to a poster's 9-18 comments:

"I sense people getting nervous today. My blog hits and comments are off the charts."

GO TO THIS BLOG AT THE LINK ABOVE AND SCROLL DOWN ABOUT 9/10 OF THE WAY AND VIEW THE VIDEO. THEY HAVE BEGUN DOCRINATION OF OUR YOUNG BIG TIME.

LETTER TO U.S. DISTRICT COURT JUDGE LAND A FORGERY?

In an effort to confirm the below letter I have contacted Ft. Benning. There is something that has come to my attention that supports my suspicions about this letter even more. If Capt. Connie Rhodes was being shipped out to Iraq yesterday, she would NOT have been allowed to leave base and go to a Columbus, GA OfficeMax to fax this letter. In fact one would think the letter would and could have been fax directly from the Army Base and placed in the mail at the same time right on base at Ft. Benning.

Interestingly enough the store video at the OfficeMax store where this document was faxed from will provide Judge Land and U.S. Marshalls clear proof as to who faxed this letter to the U.S. District Court Judge.

Question: Can anyone send me the Notarized Statement of Capt. Rhodes claiming her supervisor refused to allow her to appear in the U.S. District Court in Columbus, GA on 9-11-09? It seems the document has been scrubbed. Looks like all the mentions linked to the document from Orly Taitz website and it has since been removed with the "404 Page Not Found" message. Why was it removed?

I have just called WRBL-TV in Columbus, Georgia to inform them that the letter claimed to have been sent to U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land by U.S. Army Capt. Connie M. Rhodes appears to have had Capt. Rhodes signature cut and pasted onto it from another document.

Click on the image of the letter above. Look at the signature, there is still a line under the signature from whatever document the maker of this letter cut the signature off of. In addition, notice the angle of the signature line. The actual line has a steady incline from the left to the right. That incline would not be there if the signature line was made from the same computer that the letter was typed on.

If I am correct, and I believe in all my heart that I am, someone intentionally sent this letter to a U.S. District Court Judge knowing it to be a fraud. I have advised the Columbus Georgia CBS affiliate WRBL-TV of this and that they may want to attempt to contact Capt. Rhodes and confirm the letter was issued by her, which I told them I doubt it was.

Now, who would knowingly file a forged letter impersonating a U.S. Army Capt. with a U.S. District Court?

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/ ... judge.html

Originally Posted by butterbean

LETTER TO U.S. DISTRICT COURT JUDGE LAND A FORGERY?

In an effort to confirm the below letter I have contacted Ft. Benning. There is something that has come to my attention that supports my suspicions about this letter even more. If Capt. Connie Rhodes was being shipped out to Iraq yesterday, she would NOT have been allowed to leave base and go to a Columbus, GA OfficeMax to fax this letter. In fact one would think the letter would and could have been fax directly from the Army Base and placed in the mail at the same time right on base at Ft. Benning.

Interestingly enough the store video at the OfficeMax store where this document was faxed from will provide Judge Land and U.S. Marshalls clear proof as to who faxed this letter to the U.S. District Court Judge.

Question: Can anyone send me the Notarized Statement of Capt. Rhodes claiming her supervisor refused to allow her to appear in the U.S. District Court in Columbus, GA on 9-11-09? It seems the document has been scrubbed. Looks like all the mentions linked to the document from Orly Taitz website and it has since been removed with the "404 Page Not Found" message. Why was it removed?

I have just called WRBL-TV in Columbus, Georgia to inform them that the letter claimed to have been sent to U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land by U.S. Army Capt. Connie M. Rhodes appears to have had Capt. Rhodes signature cut and pasted onto it from another document.

Click on the image of the letter above. Look at the signature, there is still a line under the signature from whatever document the maker of this letter cut the signature off of. In addition, notice the angle of the signature line. The actual line has a steady incline from the left to the right. That incline would not be there if the signature line was made from the same computer that the letter was typed on.

If I am correct, and I believe in all my heart that I am, someone intentionally sent this letter to a U.S. District Court Judge knowing it to be a fraud. I have advised the Columbus Georgia CBS affiliate WRBL-TV of this and that they may want to attempt to contact Capt. Rhodes and confirm the letter was issued by her, which I told them I doubt it was.

Now, who would knowingly file a forged letter impersonating a U.S. Army Capt. with a U.S. District Court?

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/ ... judge.html

butterbean, thanks for the post. I smell a rat.

Judge stalls access to Obama birth data
Says he'll adjust trial date if plaintiffs need time for researching prez records

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Posted: September 19, 2009
12:40 am Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


A judge has told lawyers whose clients are challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president they cannot start digging into the president's historical records right now, and he'll adjust a scheduled Jan. 26, 2010, trial date if they end up needing more time for their research.

The ruling comes from U.S. District Judge David Carter in a California lawsuit brought by several political candidates and party officials, including former U.S. ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson of the American Independent Party.

They are suing Obama alleging that he was not and is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in the Oval Office. They are represented by Orly Taitz, who has worked on a multitude of lawsuits over Obama's eligibility, and Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation.

Kreep had responded to the government's motion requesting a stay in the discovery process, the procedures through which valuable evidence is assembled in a lawsuit, by requesting immediate access to Obama's records such as his original long-form birth certificate and his Occidental College records.

The plaintiffs' suspicion is that those records would, in fact, undermine the president's statements that he is a "natural born" citizen, which could disqualify him. For example, an original birth certificate could indicate that it was a "delayed" filing, which could open the door for a birth location outside the United States.

Likewise, the Occidental College records could be significant if Obama attended on a program for foreign students, or represented himself as a foreign student at the time.

See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential eligibility mystery.


Carter has been handling motions in the case, including the government's motion to dismiss, in which Justice Department lawyers representing Obama claimed that the courts have no jurisdiction over any parts of the question.

The government's motions have been opposed by Kreep, who expressed concern the plaintiffs would be prejudiced by having their search of the evidence delayed, and the possible shortened time period for that process between the Oct. 5 hearing and the January trial.

Carter granted Obama's motion for limited stay of discovery, saying the court, not the defendants, will determine what evidence would be pertinent to the case and if the plaintiffs are hampered by the time frame imposed by the court, he will hear "any proposed new trial dates" during the Oct. 5 hearing.

Rumors had circulated on the Internet that the discovery process already had begun, because of Carter's earlier ruling that encouraged cooperation and as much movement forward as the two sides could agree to.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1 million to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

WND also has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

In the U.S. Justice Department's motion to dismiss, attorneys didn't address the concerns directly but instead focused their efforts on technical procedures, stating the matter can't be decided in court and that the dozens of plaintiffs cannot demonstrate they have been injured by having Obama in the Oval Office.

Kreep has explained that existing court precedent includes the right for a candidate or a political party "to challenge the inclusion of an allegedly ineligible rival on the ballot, on theory that doing so hurts the candidate's or party's own chances."

"Dr. Drake has an interest in having a fair competition," Kreep's USJF brief has argued. "This interest is akin to the interest of an Olympic competition, where one of the competitors in an athletic competition is found to be using performance enhancing drugs, but is not removed despite a violation of the rules, and all of the athletes who had trained for the event legitimately are harmed if that disqualified contestant remains. …

"Obama entered this race without having met the eligibility requirements for the office of President of the United States and, as a result, Dr. Wiley Drake has been injured because he did not have fair competition for the office of Vice President of the United States."

Kreep also explained the motion to dismiss is incorrect "in a number of ways" regarding the Constitution's assignment of presidential eligibility verification.

"Even if the people of the United States voted to elect as president a candidate who did not qualify for the position, that vote would not be sufficient to overcome the constitutional requirements," he wrote.

"Here, the issue is one arising under the Constitution, whether Barack Obama meets the eligibility requirements for the office of president of the United States, as required under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. As established above, PLAINTIFFS have standing to bring this action as they have suffered a concrete injury in fact, caused by Barack Obama, for which the court has a remedy. Because PLAINTIFFS have established the requirements for standing, and because this case presents an issue regarding a federal question arising out of the Constitution, this court has subject matter jurisdiction over the issues raised in this case," he wrote.

Because of the dearth of information about Obama's eligibility, WND founder Joseph Farah has launched a campaign to raise contributions to post billboards asking a simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?"


"Where's The Birth Certificate?" billboard at the Mandalay Bay resort on the Las Vegas Strip



The campaign followed a petition that has collected more than 450,000 signatures demanding proof of his eligibility, the availability of yard signs raising the question and the production of permanent, detachable magnetic bumper stickers asking the question.

The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110247

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Additionally, Judge Land has filed an order dismissing Orly’s appeal of his original dismissal
as well as notifying Orly of his intentions of imposing a $10K sanction on her for misconduct.

http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... 5.17.0.pdf

I give the "Rhodes" letter little or no credence; the signature does not look right. But the court ruling
by District Judge Clay Land sounds exactly like him . . . contemptuous, spiteful, malevolent, biased
against the prosecutor, and prejudiced against the Constitutional ineligibility of Mr. Obama.
[quote="U.S. District Judge Clay Land"][size=117]“It was deja vu all over again.â€

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Additionally, Judge Land has filed an order dismissing Orly’s appeal of his original dismissal
as well as notifying Orly of his intentions of imposing a $10K sanction on her for misconduct.

http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/ ... 5.17.0.pdf

I give the "Rhodes" letter little or no credence; the signature does not look right. But the court ruling
by District Judge Clay Land sounds exactly like him . . . contemptuous, spiteful, malevolent, biased
against the prosecutor, and prejudiced against the Constitutional ineligibility of Mr. Obama.
[quote="U.S. District Judge Clay Land"][size=117]“It was deja vu all over again.â€

In prior posts, I have raised the issue of 1st amendment rights to our free speech and how I'm concerned about our losing our right to pursue Obama's eligibility via Internet censorship. This morning, Devvy Kidd posted an article on WND regarding an interesting 1st Amendment case, and I offer it to you below. Also, on SCRIBD, I have placed a copy of the actual draft court document referred to in Devvy's article.

BTW, I have personally read Bill Benson's "The Law That Never Was," and agree with its tenets. http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

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BENSON GOES TO SUPREME COURT FOR ALL OF US

By: Devvy Kidd
September 21, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd469.htm

"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions." -- James Madison, essay in the National Gazette, March 27, 1792

Over the years, I have written about many court battles. Bill Benson's has been going on for many years and now is headed to the U.S. Supreme Court. For those not familiar with his case, it is about the First Amendment. It is about YOUR First Amendment rights. This is one of the most important First Amendment cases to go to the U.S. Supreme Court in the last 100 years. The government's arguments in this case have been so frivolous as to border on absurd. The lower courts have deliberately ignored the main issues because they don't wan to deal with this and that is why it now must go before the "high" court:

"In this historic 16th Amendment litigation (see http://jeffdickstein.com/ ), the Government has sued Bill Benson seeking an injunction prohibiting him from falsely telling people the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was not ratified and therefore people are not required to file an income tax return. The Government contends it is entitled to an injunction because Benson is promoting an abusive tax shelter, conduct made subject to a penalty per 26 U.S.C. Section 6700."

This case isn't about tax evasion or "paying your fair share." Benson has never promoted any form of abusive tax shelters. It is about the First Amendment. It is about oppressive government deciding they can change the language of the First Amendment to suit their own totalitarian needs. It is about real men who have sacrificed their freedom (Bill Benson), good times and forget getting paid big legal fees (Becraft and Dickstein) the whole way to stand and fight for what is right. Now, we must fight with them with our support.

This is the latest update from Jeffrey Dickstein, September 19, 2009:
"I have finalized the petition for writ of cert and sent it to the printer today. Copy here ( http://www.scribd.com/doc/19998220/Bens ... Cert-Draft ) and available on my web site ( http://www.devvy.com/ ).

"I should, in the near future, receive from the printer a .pdf of the formatted brief to be sent out to solicit amicus briefs. I will file the brief with the Supreme Court on Friday, Oct. 16th.

"Based upon your feedback I know some of you will be unhappy, but I ultimately went with my instincts that has served me well in my legal career. Someone had to make a final decision, and as fate would have it, that person is me.

"Lots of issues remain, such as to send e-mails or faxes, finding a data base of newspapers, tv and radio stations, the right logo, the right name for the website/campaign. Just like with the brief writing, everyone has a different opinion pointing in lots of different directions, and no one agrees on anything. Go Figure!

"I have also prepared a petition for writ of mandamus to be filed with the 11th circuit around the same time as the Benson brief is filed. The mandamus is to direct the district court judge in the Hirmer/PQI criminal case in Florida to address, on the merits, the issues raised in the motion to dismiss the indictment on 16th amendment grounds. When the 11th denies it, I can then take it to the Supreme Court so there will be both a criminal and a civil case on the same subject matter pending before the Court. I haven't yet decided on the strategy to take it to the Supreme Court; maybe a motion to stay, or a petition for writ of mandate.

"I could really use your help in identifying 1st amendment groups and defense groups (for the due process violation) so I can send amicus solicitation e-mails.

"I also need your help in personally contacting Glen Beck, Judge Napolitano, Lew Rockwell, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Army, Ron Paul (for public support of this cert to the Supreme Court), George Noory and your favorite talk show host so this issue gets the public support it needs if we are going to put political pressure on the government so the Supreme Court grants cert., as well as people with money to support the project.

"Please dig deep and get personally involved by my web site. There will be new additions coming up for slide presentations to help educate our fellow Americans. I know you are all busy, but I am convinced this is the best chance we will ever have and the timing appears to be aligning with the project. A personal thank you to each of you that provided feedback and have made donations to date."

Sincerely,

Jeffrey A. Dickstein
Attorney at Law
500 W. Bradley Rd., C-208
Fox Point, WI 53217

jdlaw@wi.rr.com
http://jeffdickstein.com
(Checks should be made payable to Jeffrey Dickstein)

Efforts to get Dr. Edwin Vieira on Judge Andrew Napolitano's show last week were successful after much petitioning to his producers. It takes polite persistence. Now we need to get Jeffrey Dickstein on as much media as we can. Explain to these talk show hosts the importance of this case and that the American people have the right to know what hasn't been given any media exposure. It's fine to flog ACORN to death, but there are other critically important issues out there that need to be saturating the air waves.

Glenn Beck: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/contact/
Lew Rockwell: lewrockwell@mac.com
Rush Limbaugh: ElRushbo@eibnet.com
George Noory: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/contact

Additionally, if you are an attorney, I hope you will contact Jeffrey about submitting an amicus brief. As you know, a high number of amicus briefs can make a difference whether or not a cert is accepted. Example this case -- another very, very important First Amendment and free press rights case:

You can read about Citizen United v Federal Election Commission, No. 08-205 here: ( http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-205.htm ) and here: ( http://topics.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/08-205 ) ; notice how many amicus briefs were filed and that is what's needed for the Benson case.

For those who have followed this case either by going to Jeffrey Dickstein's web site or through my columns over the years, know it has been horribly frustrating and expensive. Many don't realize, but it costs thousands of dollars to get the required printing and other expenses just to submit to the court for consideration. Times are tight for people financially. I know that and so does Bill, Larry and Jeff. We are all bombarded every day with requests for donations for this cause and that. So many are con artists, charlatans and politicians who make splashy headlines, but are responsible for the destruction of this republic.

So many are organizations that ask for money to do the same thing over and over that produces the same zero results. There are also fine legal organizations that do the very difficult, long drawn out work that bring victory in the courts. I salute them as well as organizations like Stewards of the Range and so many who work to protect the rights of land owners. It all takes financial support. The work of Bill Benson, Larry and Jeffrey also fall into that category of sacrifice to protect and safeguard our right to free speech.

Don't use the "corrupt courts" as an excuse. Those of us in this fight for decades know all about the courts. However, there have been important victories (United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995) (see: http://tinyurl.com/m4o8en ); Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) (see: http://tinyurl.com/pufkwj ); and a recent win in Florida (see: http://tinyurl.com/nyrp8r ). What if I would have said 20 years ago, "Ah, ya can't fight city hall." Giving up is not an option. Excuses are not an option.

The tea parties have become the rallying cry: Taxation without representation. Stop big government. What about our lives without freedom of speech? What about our lives if an agency of the federal government, in this case, the IRS, or any other agency for that matter, simply decide that your work to expose the truth about any issue will not be permitted? I am asking you to please support this case. Not with your life, but with your precious dollars; the sweat of your labor. Whether it is $5.00 or $500.00, every donation will be used only for the furtherance of this case and all the work still to come (soliciting amicus briefs (see: http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/amicus.htm ) and other expenses) to bring this Petition for Writ of Certiorari case to the attention of the American people.

Nathan Hale was hung by the British, September 22, 1776. Young Master Hale was born, June 6, 1755. He enrolled at Yale at the ripe age of 14. This young man grew up in the colonies at the most turbulent time in our history, the birthing of this republic. He had his whole life ahead of him. Instead, at age 21, he was ordered hanged as a spy by General William Howe. His last words were: "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.â€

Larry Sinclair just announced he's shutting down his blog and tells people who want to save any documents from it to get busy copying.