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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    I'm so sick of this garbage!! We are being told in so many words that yes, the POTUS was ineligible to hold this office, and yes, it is unconstitutional but sit down and shut up. I think Highlander was right...it's time to call in the Marines. Enough is enough. Our country and constitution is at stake. No more games.
    Hey TexasBorn - I think I know where we can get some volunteers:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5pegAIQ01A
    Great video Highlander!
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    Leo's available for and interested in writing a book? Wow!

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    UR in the comments section:
    http://tinyurl.com/kju2qu

    BuckeyeTexan Says:
    September 8, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Leo,

    Write the book. There are plenty of conservative, even Christian conservative, publishing houses out there who will fight amongst themselves to be “Leo Donofrio’sâ€
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    Good cross links in this post from Airborne

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-172023.html

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    Thanks to AirborneSapper7 for listing this post on another Alipac page. I think it is important for us to see this one also.

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    OBAMA'S INELIGIBILITY: HOW DEEP DOES THE CORRUPTION GO?

    By: Devvy Kidd
    September 23, 2009
    NewsWithViews.com

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd470.htm

    Another potential bombshell has hit the Internet regarding Obama/Soetoro's ineligibility to run for or serve as president of these united States of America. Regular readers of my columns are familiar with the cases and attorneys. This new action comes from Leo Donofrio, an attorney in the State of New Jersey. Leo's case was the first to be scheduled for conference by the U.S. Supreme Court; it was kicked to the curb without any hearing on the merits of the case. Not a single case brought to date has ever been heard on its merits.

    Americans from all walks of life have been filing FOIAs (Freedom of Information Act requests) and state records act requests, including yours truly. Many of them I have covered in past columns and am not going to rehash here. I am proud of my fellow Americans who are determined to stand for the truth despite all the attacks we receive from Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Ann Coulter and all the "progressive" mouthpieces on other cable networks. No one is above the law and the corruption at many levels of government to cover up Obama/Soetoro's ineligibility has been breathtaking and frightening at the same time.

    This is Leo's current post on his blog: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

    Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended

    "I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)

    "Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.

    "I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).

    "Any legal assistance provided by me to TerriK will be pro bono. I will seek to be admitted pro hac vice in Hawaii for purposes of filing the case and conducting the trial. If such admission is not forthcoming, other counsel may be retained or TerriK may represent herself pro se. In any case, I will be drafting the pleadings. The only issue will be related to who files them and conducts the trial de novo.

    "While correspondence sent to TerriK confirms that President Obama’s vital records have been amended, the DoH has refused to make the documents requested available. One count of the litigation will attempt to have those documents released. The other counts concern various information denied to her which – according to Hawaii law – she is entitled to.

    "Before I get to the facts of the ongoing investigation in my follow up report, I will ask readers to study the UIPA manual and the UIPA statute. Hawaii has been caught blatantly circumventing their own laws; laws specifically created to foster open government practices.

    The rest of the post is at the link. I am not surprised because of all that has been exposed in the search for the truth. The fact that Obama/Soetoro's passport records were breached ( http://tinyurl.com/6th2yh ) and most likely sanitized, should have made the dominant media come unglued. They have remained silent. It is believed the usurper traveled to Pakistan under the name Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen.

    While some may scoff that this is nothing but a conspiracy theory, this young man is dead and I believe it is tied to protecting the usurper. I am not accusing Obama/Soetoro, but others who might have acted on their own to protect him.

    Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot http://tinyurl.com/cyrvt9

    "A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.

    "Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department's Criminal Investigations Division.

    "Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car. Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene. City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators."

    I know Leo Donofrio by phone and email exchanges. Leo is a very serious man when it comes to the law. He is not one to undertake a frivolous legal argument. In this case, he is representing the woman who filed these requests with the State of Hawaii --- pro bono (without fee). Who is she? I don't know; she goes by Miss Tickly. However, I did find her blog where she has posted her letters to the State of Hawaii. These are the relevant ones:

    The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers:
    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2302965/posts

    Hawaiian Officials Under Duress:
    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/2304218/posts

    Hawaii UIIPA Information Request Made, Media & Freepers Alerted:
    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2304557/posts

    UIPA request to Hawaii:
    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/2305448/posts

    Citing UIPA, I requested ALL Obama's Vital Records:
    http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/2305734/posts

    And you may LIKE the rule(s) I cited

    Many efforts have been made over the past few years to grease the skids. http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd430.htm I cited one in a column that has now been scrubbed from the Internet --

    "One year later, Sarah Herlihy, an associate at the Chicago firm of Kirkland & Ellis gets her paper published in the Kent University Law Review on line. Herlihy claims in her paper that the citizenship requirement of the U.S. Constitution has been called "stupid and discriminating." Of course, she never tells us who makes this claim. Please note that a partner at the same law firm was one Bruce I. Ettelson, who apparently had a working relationship on finance committees for Obama and buffoon, Sen. Richard Durbin. Herlihy's paper, which shows "author approved editing" as November 23, 2005, is titled, "Amending the Natural Born Citizenship Requirement: Globalization as the Impetus and the Obstacle." You can read the paper here."

    There are many references to Ms. Herlihy's paper on lots of web sites, but the paper she wrote is gone. Why take it down?

    Please see this information http://devvy.net/pdf/sept09/legislate_obama.pdf on how certain U.S. Senators tried to litigate Obama/Soeotoro's citizenship by slipping Juan McCain in as a distraction. McCain is a U.S. citizen, but not a natural born citizen and therefore is forever and always, constitutionally ineligible; see here http://devvy.net/pdf/sept09/mccain_cd.pdf and here. http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-f ... obama.html

    Another superbly written piece http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ that should be read is by Mario Apuzzo, the lead counsel in the Kerchner v Obama case; in part:

    "Judge Land found that because Obama overcame a “gruelingâ€
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    One of those links led to a FREEP posting that had information which might be the "magic key" in figuring out if Dunham / Obama Sr. ever took out a marriage license. Using information drawn from the 1964 divorce decree (date, town, island, names of applicants), one might not be able to get the marriage license if the Hawaiian privacy laws "protect" the vital records of even dead people BUT one could pony up the $5 for a VERIFICATION request which cites to information one believes to be true, and asks the Dept of Health's Registrar of Vital Statistics people to look at the underlying records to "verify" if what you think to be true is actually true. Heck, one could even make a photocopy of the divorce decree that's reproduced all over the Internet to show where one got the "facts" one is seeking to Verify in the first place.

    This marriage license deal-i-o really bugs me. If there wasn't even a license taken out in Hawaii, then it makes moot any grappling with foreign laws of Kenya about tribal "customary" marriages, plus the additional issue of whether Hawaii would have recognized them as legitimate "foreign marriages" rendering any later "Hawaiian marriage" bigamous.


    [quote][size=150]http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

    “Letters of Verification

    Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

    Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

    The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.â€

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    [quote="FreedomFirst"]One of those links led to a FREEP posting that had information which might be the "magic key" in figuring out if Dunham / Obama Sr. ever took out a marriage license. Using information drawn from the 1964 divorce decree (date, town, island, names of applicants), one might not be able to get the marriage license if the Hawaiian privacy laws "protect" the vital records of even dead people BUT one could pony up the $5 for a VERIFICATION request which cites to information one believes to be true, and asks the Dept of Health's Registrar of Vital Statistics people to look at the underlying records to "verify" if what you think to be true is actually true. Heck, one could even make a photocopy of the divorce decree that's reproduced all over the Internet to show where one got the "facts" one is seeking to Verify in the first place.

    This marriage license deal-i-o really bugs me. If there wasn't even a license taken out in Hawaii, then it makes moot any grappling with foreign laws of Kenya about tribal "customary" marriages, plus the additional issue of whether Hawaii would have recognized them as legitimate "foreign marriages" rendering any later "Hawaiian marriage" bigamous.


    [quote][size=150]http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

    “Letters of Verification

    Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

    Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

    The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.â€
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    hey all, if anyone born in the USA is considered "natural born citizen" then WHY would the founders/framers of the Constitution use that particular phrase -- when just the word "born" would suffice?

    Obviously that phrase has some other precedence? Is words "born" or "natural born" used in any other Independence period writings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred410
    hey all, if anyone born in the USA is considered "natural born citizen" then WHY would the founders/framers of the Constitution use that particular phrase -- when just the word "born" would suffice?

    Obviously that phrase has some other precedence? Is words "born" or "natural born" used in any other Independence period writings?
    Hi Fred,

    You're coming onto this topic a bit late, but generally speaking, a 'natural born citizen' is a person born on U.S. soil to two (2) U.S. citizen parents - with no divided loyalties.

    If you review this forum you'll see that we've discussed many facets of citizenship, largely because of our legal concerns about Obama's ineligibility to be POTUS.

    Juan
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
    ...a 'natural born citizen' is a person born on U.S. soil to two (2) U.S. citizen parents - with no divided loyalties.
    Welcome to ALIPAC, fred410. We're glad to see you, no matter when, sooner or later.

    There is one problem with Juan's definition, one it inherited from a previous President... the word "is". It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is: its authority, its universality, and its degree of acceptance among those who know nothing about the U.S. Constitution and really couldn't care less.

    Some say a natural born citizen is as defined above, others say otherwise; but it doesn't matter:
    • because HE is "the One" - forget the Constitution; or

      because 66 million voters made him America's choice, Constitution or no Constitution; or

      because possession is nine-tenths of the law, and what power does an old piece of paper have to compel otherwise? Or

      because he fulfills African America's manifest destiny, and archaic principles espoused by old white men cannot stand in the way of future history --
      and if you disagree, "Your [sic] a RACIST!" Or

      because what's done is done, and let's not upset the apple cart just to uphold the letter of the law; or

      because, yes, he didn't touch all the bases, but can't you hypocritical Christians find some forgiveness in your hearts? Or

      because he's NotBush, so it's probably worth breaking a few eggs for the resulting omelet; or

      because he will one day rule the world, so rules that only apply in the U.S. shouldn't stand in his way; or

      because he represents the unrepresented and delivers the oppressed, so we shouldn't be so nitpicking about enforcing archaic statutes that also enumerated representation according to "three fifths of all other Persons" besides free persons and Indians, meaning, slaves; or

      because he is NEW, and the Constitution is so passé, like, last millenium, you know? Or

      because he will withdraw U.S. troops from the Middle East,
      which makes him a man of PEACE, and we should give peace a chance...
      (never mind that our enemies understand withdrawal as surrender and the pursuit of peace as weakness, and never mind that disregarding the Constitution is causing millions of otherwise peaceful Americans to march in the streets for fear of losing their country to socialism or

      because he is redistributing the wealth, which is why you fat cats are hindering his good work with your legalism; or

      because the Supreme Court has never defined "natural born citizen,",
      so any interpretation that excludes Barack Obama is just your interpretation; or

      because you retro Republican dudes lost; now get over it already!
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    Re: Don't try to understand "why", just do as yer

    Quote Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
    ...a 'natural born citizen' is a person born on U.S. soil to two (2) U.S. citizen parents - with no divided loyalties.
    Welcome to ALIPAC, fred410. We're glad to see you, no matter when, sooner or later.

    There is one problem with Juan's definition, one it inherited from a previous President... the word "is". It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is: its authority, its universality, and its degree of acceptance among those who know nothing about the U.S. Constitution and really couldn't care less.

    Some say a natural born citizen is as defined above, others say otherwise; but it doesn't matter:
    • because HE is "the One" - forget the Constitution; or

      because 66 million voters made him America's choice, Constitution or no Constitution; or

      because possession is nine-tenths of the law, and what power does an old piece of paper have to compel otherwise? Or

      because he fulfills African America's manifest destiny, and archaic principles espoused by old white men cannot stand in the way of future history --
      and if you disagree, "Your [sic] a RACIST!" Or

      because what's done is done, and let's not upset the apple cart just to uphold the letter of the law; or

      because, yes, he didn't touch all the bases, but can't you hypocritical Christians find some forgiveness in your hearts? Or

      because he's NotBush, so it's probably worth breaking a few eggs for the resulting omelet; or

      because he will one day rule the world, so rules that only apply in the U.S. shouldn't stand in his way; or

      because he represents the unrepresented and delivers the oppressed, so we shouldn't be so nitpicking about enforcing archaic statutes that also enumerated representation according to "three fifths of all other Persons" besides free persons and Indians, meaning, slaves; or

      because he is NEW, and the Constitution is so passé, like, last millenium, you know? Or

      because he will withdraw U.S. troops from the Middle East,
      which makes him a man of PEACE, and we should give peace a chance...
      (never mind that our enemies understand withdrawal as surrender and the pursuit of peace as weakness, and never mind that disregarding the Constitution is causing millions of otherwise peaceful Americans to march in the streets for fear of losing their country to socialism or

      because he is redistributing the wealth, which is why you fat cats are hindering his good work with your legalism; or

      because the Supreme Court has never defined "natural born citizen,",
      so any interpretation that excludes Barack Obama is just your interpretation; or

      because you retro Republican dudes lost; now get over it already!
    Rest easy Minuteman. It matters not what excuses and obstacles they throw in our path. The truth will be known and those that perpetrated the deceit will receive their due reckoning, one way or another.
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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