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The Theory is Now a Conspiracy – III
DNC Failed to Certify Obama as Eligible in MOST States!
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By JB Williams Friday, September 25, 2009
When I first became aware that the Democratic National Committee prepared, signed and notarized two slightly different Certification of Nomination documents for the Obama-Biden ticket in the 2008 election, I was shocked and after verifying both documents as real, I wrote about it in The Theory is Now a Conspiracy and Facts Don’t Lie released on September 10, 2009.

The question was obvious – Why TWO different DNC Obama certification documents, and why did one have proper certification of constitutional eligibility in it, while the other had that certification deleted?

The Obama camp had been using the defense that the DNC had properly vetted and certified Obama’s eligibility for months. Judge after judge had used that claim and the fact that Obama’s COLB (Certification of Live Birth) had been “Snoped – FactChecked – blogged and twitteredâ€

Nice going, gramasmad. As I'm sure, you know this is the third of a series by JB Williams:

#1 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don't Lie
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2009/williams091209.htm

#2 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy—II
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14741

#3 The Theory is Now a Conspiracy – III
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127

And, as this is an ongoing investigation by the people, it would appear there may be more issues from JB we can keep an eye open for.

Your comments on this #3 article led me to the following source (jbjd) I had never seen before, but which seems to offer some interesting views, including samples of complaint letters to state AGs. Well worth the scrutiny. I'm glad to see what appear to be lawful and clear headed attorneys getting involved - it will help us all see things more clearly.

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THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE
Sunday, 20 September 2009

By jbjd, http://jbjd.wordpress.com/

UPDATE 09.24.09: THE MODEL COMPLAINT OF ELECTION FRAUD AGAINST THE HONORABLE NANCY PELOSI, ACTING IN THE NON-GOVERNMENTAL ROLE OF CHAIR, 2008 DNC CONVENTION, AND REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION BY THE AG OF GEORGIA, IS POSTED IMMEDIATELY BELOW THE SIMILAR COMPLAINT FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. ALL STATE COMPLAINTS IN STATES IN WHICH THE CERTIFICATION OF NOMINATION WAS FORWARDED TO STATE ELECTIONS OFFICIALS FROM MS. PELOSI WILL BE POSTED ON THIS SITE.

The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United State House of Representatives, 3rd in line of Presidential succession, http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa010298.htm, acting in a non-governmental role as Chair of the 2008 DNC Convention, signed and submitted to the Board of Elections in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the Official DNC Certification of Barack Obama’s Nomination. Therefore, this Complaint of Election Fraud and Request for Investigation to the Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia, specifically names her.

It’s not as if citizens have not tried to find out directly from the DNC on what basis they verified Mr. Obama’s Constitutional qualifications before submitting his name to election officials to print on the general election ballot in all of those states that restrict access to the state ballot to only those candidates who are eligible for the job. Last December, when I first saw the Certification Ms. Pelosi signed for HI – you know, with that added line saying he is “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution,â€

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

TerriK INVESTIGATION, PART 2:
OIP Staff Attorney Linden Joesting’s Response to TerriK’s Appeal Appears To Confirm That The DoH Maintains Amended Vital Records For President Obama.

The UIPA at 92F-3 explicitly defines “government recordsâ€

Holy Batmobile, Robin, things seem to be heating up:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

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Descarte Says:
September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am

Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364

[b][Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?

From the Colorado Independent:

By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM

According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denver’s “birther boardsâ€

[quote="HighlanderJuan"]Holy Batmobile, Robin, things seem to be heating up:

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Descarte Says:
September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am

Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364

[b][Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?

From the Colorado Independent:

By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM

According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denver’s “birther boardsâ€

The letter below says it all. Our veterans deserve our undying respect.

Letter faxed to Judge Carter from a Vietnam Veteran
Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:19 AM
From:
“Tom MacLeranâ€

BORN IN THE USA?
49 of 50 states never saw certification of eligibility
What vetting? Democrats dodge Constitution, even in primaries
Posted: September 27, 2009
9:27 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A commentator at Canada Free Press who earlier exposed the Democratic National Committee used two separate forms to affirm Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to be president has heard back from readers and research – and now reports Democrats failed to certify their candidate's eligibility in 49 of the 50 states.

The writer, JB Williams, further reports that in most cases, certification
of eligibility was also missing from DNC filings during the primaries.

"In most states," Williams writes, "it appears that the DNC never certified constitutional eligibility for Barack Hussein Obama, despite their many claims of proper vetting and certification, all of which we now know to be false."

As WND reported, Williams released copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president, one that contains language affirming his constitutional eligibility and filed in Hawaii (where state law requires the specific language) and another omitting the language and filed in the remaining 49 states.

The first includes a verification that Obama and Joe Biden, then-candidate for vice president, "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution."



One image of the certification for Barack Obama's nomination, including includes the affirmation Obama and Joe Biden "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution"

The second form obtained by Williams appears identical, but in this one, the verification of eligibility under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution is gone.



Williams reports that Republicans use a document universally that affirms their candidate's eligibility and that Democrats have used the form that omits the certification language in previous elections, but nonetheless questions why the DNC certified Obama's eligibility only in Hawaii.

He followed up his question by consulting a handwriting expert to compare the two documents.

"My conclusion is as follows," Williams quotes the unnamed expert, "all three signers of the certification that included the constitutionally eligible clause were aware that it was not true at the time they signed it."

WND has contacted the Democratic National Committee multiple times to request an explanation of the two images, including whether one might be a forgery. A spokeswoman in the press office confirmed, "We are aware of it," but declined to elaborate.

Likewise, WND contacted the office of one of the document's signers, now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but got no response over several days. And the White House declined to respond to multiple e-mails asking for a comment.

Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president's birth certificate documentation here.

"Nancy Pelosi knew that she was signing a false statement on behalf of Obama," Williams concludes in answer to his own question. "But she also knew that this false statement of eligibility would only be filed in Hawaii, which has a very specific state statute that requires that each party certify the constitutional eligibility of their candidates, using specific text."

"But even more important," Williams states, "the DNC never 'certified' that Obama met all legal requirements for the office of president, like the RNC did for McCain."

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits over the dispute question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated over $1 million to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential eligibility mystery.

WND reported on a decision by a California judge to schedule a trial early next year on the arguments over Obama's eligibility.

U.S. District Judge David Carter tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for the case. If the case actually goes to arguments, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys
working on the issue.

Arguments over other online Obama images also have raged. His campaign and now his administration repeatedly has pointed to an online image of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii has documenting his status, even though such documents are not, in fact, proof. Critics have suggested the image itself is fraudulent.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286

Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification

From: MinuteMan CDC_SC [mailto:minutemancdc_sc at]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:11 AM
To: dzahn at wnd dot com
Subject: Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286

Dear Mr. Zahn,

We do not care about "credit", but surely you are aware that we and others reported this nine months ago?

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-462.html

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-469.html

Besides emailing our findings [to news at worldnetdaily dot com], what else can we do to alert WorldNetDaily and other Constitutional eligibility watchdogs?
________________________________________________

Monday, September 28, 2009 7:41 AM
From: "Drew Zahn" <dzahn at wnd.com>
To: "'MinuteMan CDC_SC'" <minutemancdc_sc>

I can't speak for the other editors at WND, but no, I was unaware of any previous reporting on this before Mr. Williams' work.

Please understand, however, that message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it, and are so filled with random and unsubstantiated comments, that we simply can't take time to examine the hundreds – no, thousands – of message boards out there discussing this controversy.

If, however, you do encounter verifiable information that constitutes breaking news on this story, I invite you to email us at news at worldnetdaily dot com , and we can work to get the news out to a broader audience.

Drew Zahn,

News editor, WorldNetDaily
__________________________________________________ _________

Originally Posted by Drew Zahn

message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it

So old school establishment... brick and mortar... printing press and newsprint... WorldNetDaily, of all people.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html . . . 2001 replies . . . 71038 views.

We search and read and verify. We research until dawn to feed the morning shift. Sometimes we travel to remote locations to get first-hand eyewitness accounts. Occasionally our specialization and focus on Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility leads us to insights that the popular news portals miss.

We also surf the boards, piecing together puzzle parts. WND used to do that.

[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC] Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification

From: MinuteMan CDC_SC [mailto:minutemancdc_sc at]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:11 AM
To: dzahn at wnd dot com
Subject: Two DNC letters - perjury on Hawaii certification

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111286

Dear Mr. Zahn,

We do not care about "credit", but surely you are aware that we and others reported this nine months ago?

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-462.html

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-days ... c-469.html

Besides emailing our findings [to news at worldnetdaily dot com], what else can we do to alert WorldNetDaily and other Constitutional eligibility watchdogs?
________________________________________________

Monday, September 28, 2009 7:41 AM
From: "Drew Zahn" <dzahn at wnd.com>
To: "'MinuteMan CDC_SC'" <minutemancdc_sc>

I can't speak for the other editors at WND, but no, I was unaware of any previous reporting on this before Mr. Williams' work.

Please understand, however, that message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it, and are so filled with random and unsubstantiated comments, that we simply can't take time to examine the hundreds – no, thousands – of message boards out there discussing this controversy.

If, however, you do encounter verifiable information that constitutes breaking news on this story, I invite you to email us at news at worldnetdaily dot com , and we can work to get the news out to a broader audience.

Drew Zahn,

News editor, WorldNetDaily
__________________________________________________ _________

[quote="Drew Zahn":ij7t56gh][b]message boards and forums don't really constitute "reporting" it[/b][/quote]
So old school establishment... brick and mortar... printing press and newsprint... WorldNetDaily, of all people.

[url="http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html"]http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html[/url] . . . 2001 replies . . . 71038 views.

We search and read and verify. We research until dawn to feed the morning shift. Sometimes we travel to remote locations to get first-hand eyewitness accounts. Occasionally our specialization and focus on Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility leads us to insights that the popular news portals miss.

We also surf the boards, piecing together puzzle parts. WND used to do that.[/quote:ij7t56gh]

MinuteMan,

Thanks for passing along this correspondence. Very interesting.

I may be looking at this discussion from a slightly different slant. If Mr. Zahn is interested in receiving creditable news leads from posters at Alipac, then I see that as a positive sign, and we-all should consider whether or not we want to feed him with our research and with our understandings.

If we choose to feed WND with our 'news' and findings, then we are helping promote and support WND. If we don't care about our own 'ownership' of the news, then WND certainly seems like it may be a good and efficient method of getting the news to the outside world - something I believe is important.

If, on the other hand, we are doing something special in our research, and believe we have a story of our own to tell, then I think we should consider publishing our own copyrightable 'news' to the world. If we do so, this would draw additional attention to Alipac and/or its individual authors and posters.

Of all of the forums of which I have monitored and contributed in recent months, I believe that this particular forum has done some of the better research and analysis, and I actually encourage some one or more of us to write our own book or write articles for NewsMax, NewsWithViews or WND, or whomever.

As an aside, it is my belief that our nation is in a deep pile of doo-doo, and that the only path to recovery for us as a nation, is through education - accurate and truthful education - education that will cancel out the biased and errant knowledge forced into us by our government school systems and the government controlled news media.

And, besides the Obama ineligibility story, I believe there is much credible evidence pointing to a real, live conspiracy by groups and individuals in the financial world (yes, people just like George Soros) and in our own federal and state governments, to weaken and destroy our republic. How we choose to respond to these ongoing threats to our nationality will determine if we are to survive and thrive as an independent nation and republic, or whether we will go down in history as 'well, they could have...'

On a personal level, I try to learn from legal minds, documents, and processes (because I think most of our problems are actually the results of lawless activities performed by members of our own government); I learn from economic and financial minds; I learn from philosophical minds; and I learn from our own history and from our living and dead historians.

This is why I am back in college after 35 or so years, and why I post legal documents and have solicited copyright permission to re-post articles I find in college and from the various websites, forums, and blogs up on Scribd.com. While we are learning, we must remember to give back and help others learn these same lessons we spend so much time absorbing.

So, if everything we do counts (i.e. our actions either count for us, or they count against us), I think we should continue to do as we are doing - we are learning, and I believe we are growing intellectually. Now may be an excellent time for us to consider how we want to help others learn from our own knowledge.

Maybe WND is a good outlet for our ‘news.’ I can’t answer that question for all of us, but it appears to be something we should consider.

Minuteman and Highlander, personally I have always appreciated your posts and it is clear that you, among many others, have a singular purpose to bring articles and insights to light that the Fringe Media just won't do. I also appreciate your opinions on the articles. I am hungry for more. I may be wrong but by all appearances you both have either a journalism or legal background and have the tools to do research and analyze things that some of us don't. I am a graduate engineer and often times become frustrated with trying to decipher the legal aspects of this political jungle. I guess you could say that I analyze everything I read and don't suffer fools gladly. My BS antennae goes up quickly when I smell lies or deception. I just want the truth whether it be in favor of my political leanings or not. However, I think you have uncovered a valid concern that goes to the heart of the matter. Our media, of all flavors, seems to have lost the ability to sleuth for the truth. This is why I appreciate the persistence of those in this forum to dig out the tidbits and treasures of information that we don't otherwise find in our fringe media. Keep it up!