Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

[quote]Hundreds of challenges to Obama’s eligibility have been filed in both civil and criminal courts and ALL of them have been dismissed on “lack of standingâ€

•Obama was not born in Hawaii, but rather Kenya. He would in this case be a “naturalizedâ€

[quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"][quote="hardlineconstitutionalist]
What?!?!?!? He claims another father now? I have not heard anything or that he has ever made a claim other than his African dad...? Now we gonna play who your daddie!?!?!?

If you're saying a diff dad could be on a real BC...well I guess it could show a diff mom too? Or maybe he was adopted at birth and the records are sealed...or maybe he had a sex change operation and is really the first women POUTS!! Ya...that' the ticket.... I'm pulling my hair out...

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

I'd like to know how his damage control officer purged the entire internet of any trace of the recording of the interaction following the 2004 Keyes-Obama debate.

Being trained in the law and understanding what needs to be fixed helps. Being a criminal sociopath helps. Having criminal sociopath associates and colleagues helps. Having unlimited sources of money (e.g. George Soros money, overseas money, etc.) helps. Having Google and Yahoo in your pocket helps. Having Snopes deceive readers helps. Having smart and lawless lawyers helps. Having enough time to get the job done before the questions are asked helps. Having an unwitting, stupid, and uninformed voter base helps. ACORN corruption helps. Having malicious and lawless progressive congressional players helps. Believing in character assassination and ridicule of opponents helps. Having about 85% of the country's media in your pocket helps. Having control of our school systems helps. Having an evil intent of destroying America and therefore having America's enemies on your side helps. Having a whole political party subdued into compliance helps. Moving fast with radical change helps keep the subject changing so fast no one can see clearly what is happening. Having a compliant and submissive justice department helps. Overwhelming the system and creating uncertainty helps.

Talk about a perfect storm!

Every thing counts. In this case, there was a clear and malicious conspiracy by the worldwide socialist left and Muslim radicals to get Obama elected and to have our rule of law overturned and to have our increasingly corrupt 'free' republic completely destroyed and replaced with a communist regime. The coup d'état was successful. We have been overthrown.

This was all done while the responsible, lawful, and God fearing members of our culture were raising families, going to church, living a comfortable lifestyle, and generally NOT paying enough attention to the running of our representative state and federal governments. The coup d'état happened while we were sleeping.

A copy of the 2004 Obama admission tape may arise one day, but it may come too late to do any good for America. As much as having the tape would help, we may never get to see it. But I too, want to know specifically what happened to the tape, and I too, want to see Obama admit to the truth. For once I want to see the usurper tell the truth.

For humans, there has always been a struggle between good and evil, between freedom and slavery, and we are in the midst of the 21st century version of that struggle. This is a worldwide war, and freedom is at stake.

So, I ask you - are we awake yet? Have we had enough destruction to our American way of life yet? Are we going to remain slaves to this tyranny and to this corruption, or are we going to restore our freedoms and restore our republic form of government?

That is my question for today.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Since the doubters will not accept his birth certificate, or the assurances of the State of Hawaii that it is valid, what document would you accept?

There has been NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE PRESENTED OR SHOWN!!! I will accept a real varified long form doctor signed BC.

Only a COLB that also has not been legaly varified but even if true is not a legal BC. Only words of "I have seen it" have come from Hawaii.

By current law...Obama is not eligible. He is also a Muslim and that bothers me more than the usurpation of eligibility.

Does what you call a long form birth certificate exist in Hawaii as distinct from the certification of birth. Also, if it is, doesn't the state of Hawaii have to check it before issuing the certification of live birth?

If you are born in the USA, you are eligible.

Obama is a Christian, attended that foul evangelical church. His half sister is a Muslim.

I must say that I don't think highly of the Islamic faith myself.

Yes...the long forms are standard for every State including Hawaii. No...you do not have to be born there to get a COLB. And no...a long form...it does not exist for Obama or they would have shown it.

No...born in the USA does not qualify you for POTUS or VP. "Natural born" does. Other office can be held by any and all forms of citizenry. Only POTUS and VP hold this restriction...for obvious reasons.

Obama is a Muslim...make no mistake of his allegiance. Any Christian affiliation is for political reasons/motivation, manipulation and self promoting agenda. Obama will turn on America every chance he gets.

A quick glace through some of the pages in this string has about as much information as can be found on the Internet about eligibility.

If you ask for a birth certificate in Hawaii, for anyone, do you get the long form or the COLB? In other words, what is the standard procudure?

If the state does not provide the long forms, but rather just issues the COLB which I understand states Obama was born in Hawaii, then that is valid proof of his birth there.

However, if the standard procedure is to provide the long form when a request is made for a birth certificate, then there is an issue of why the long form was not issued. But I have not read that anyone is saying this is the case.

It would seem to me, if there was any real problem with Obama being born in the USA, that someone with standing would take it to court to have it determined. I find it difficult to believe that the Republican Party, or McCain, would not have taken this step they could have knocked Obama out of the race.

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Since the doubters will not accept his birth certificate, or the assurances of the State of Hawaii that it is valid, what document would you accept?

There has been NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE PRESENTED OR SHOWN!!! I will accept a real varified long form doctor signed BC.

Only a COLB that also has not been legaly varified but even if true is not a legal BC. Only words of "I have seen it" have come from Hawaii.

By current law...Obama is not eligible. He is also a Muslim and that bothers me more than the usurpation of eligibility.

Does what you call a long form birth certificate exist in Hawaii as distinct from the certification of birth. Also, if it is, doesn't the state of Hawaii have to check it before issuing the certification of live birth?

If you are born in the USA, you are eligible.

Obama is a Christian, attended that foul evangelical church. His half sister is a Muslim.

I must say that I don't think highly of the Islamic faith myself.

Yes...the long forms are standard for every State including Hawaii. No...you do not have to be born there to get a COLB. And no...a long form...it does not exist for Obama or they would have shown it.

No...born in the USA does not qualify you for POTUS or VP. "Natural born" does. Other office can be held by any and all forms of citizenry. Only POTUS and VP hold this restriction...for obvious reasons.

Obama is a Muslim...make no mistake of his allegiance. Any Christian affiliation is for political reasons/motivation, manipulation and self promoting agenda. Obama will turn on America every chance he gets.

A quick glace through some of the pages in this string has about as much information as can be found on the Internet about eligibility.

If you ask for a birth certificate in Hawaii, for anyone, do you get the long form or the COLB? In other words, what is the standard procudure?

If the state does not provide the long forms, but rather just issues the COLB which I understand states Obama was born in Hawaii, then that is valid proof of his birth there.

However, if the standard procedure is to provide the long form when a request is made for a birth certificate, then there is an issue of why the long form was not issued. But I have not read that anyone is saying this is the case.

It would seem to me, if there was any real problem with Obama being born in the USA, that someone with standing would take it to court to have it determined. I find it difficult to believe that the Republican Party, or McCain, would not have taken this step they could have knocked Obama out of the race.

Other candidates who were on the ballot have taken it to court....it was thrown out for lack of standing. Military men who are putting their lives on the line based on his orders have been said by the courts not to have standing. State elected officials have tried....guess what....no standing. There is even a member of the US House who has tried to take this to court and it has been ruled no standing. Apparently nobody in this country has "standing"

Minuteman wrote.

I will seize upon a point of agreement. Your questions appear to be sincere, so I will offer at least one sincere answer.

Mr. Obama's father of record was a lapsed Mus|im.
His mother's second husband was a radical Mus|im.
He was raised Mus|im in Indonesia in grades 1-4 and excelled in Is|amic studies.
At Occidental College, he sought out the "bad boyz" - most often of the Mus|im religion, black or Arab.
At Oxy, his fluency in Arabic and familiarity with Mus|im ways caught the attention of the CIA, which recruited him to be a CIA operative in Pakistan, passing guns, supplies, and money from the CIA to the Taliban mujahedin fighting against the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan. He thus served his country admirably from 1981 to 1985, and the CIA reciprocated by prevailing upon Columbia Univ. to provide him with cover and educational credits, including a bachelor's degree in Political Science (pre-law) in 1983, a diploma, and his name in the alumni directory. But not in the '83 yearbook.

Fox News interviewed 400 people who were at Columbia Univ. between 1981 and 1983, and none of them had ever seen him there. The Rev. James David Manning, pastor of ATLAH Worldwide Church in Harlem, attended Union Theological Seminary, across the street from Columbia Univ., from 1981 to 1983, and he never heard of Barack Obama, even though a fellow African-American student would have been hard to miss just across the street. He knew of two, and neither one was named Obama... or Soetoro... or Dunham. Though Mr. Obama claims Sohale (Hal) Siddiqi and Phil Boerner were his roommates in a Harlem apartment while at Columbia, neither one of them attended Columbia then, either.

Libertarian V.P. candidate Wayne Allyn Root, Columbia Univ. '83, was the class president and knew everybody, but even he hasn't found a single classmate who ever knew Barack Obama.Wayne Allyn Root wrote:
Class of '83 political science, pre-law Columbia University. You don't get more exact than that. Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him. At the [2003] class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, 20th reunion, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! Who was he, and five years ago, nobody even knew who he was... the guy who writes the class notes, who's kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange? It's very strange...

Barack Obama II never attended Columbia Univ. - he was embedded with the Taliban mujahedin in the Pashtun country of northwest Pakistan. He was practicing his Mus|im faith, perhaps as a jihadi. His basketball conditioning stood him in good stead in the rarified air of the Hindu Kush, just as his Arabic Is|amic studies in Jakarta helped him pass muster with the Taliban mujahedin.

Regarding Barack Obama II's claimed conversion to Christianity, apostasy from Is|am is punishable by death, and none of Mr. Obama's cheering Mus|im supporters accuse him of leaving Is|am. One basic doctrine of Is|am is taqqiya, deception to advance Is|am. Mus|im authorities deem that to deceive an infidel for the sake of Is|am is acceptable, even commendable. Judging the tree by its fruits, Mr. Obama's claimed conversion to Christianity appears to be counterfeit - more con than conversion.

Barack Obama II consistently adhered to Is|am until he married Michelle Robinson, who convinced him that adhering to Is|am would be political suicide when he ran for political office in the U.S.. He then began to attend Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church, which is no evidence of Christian conversion or the new birth by the Holy Spirit. Rev. Wright taught Marxist Black Liberation Theology instead of the gospel, the Bible, and sound Christian doctrine, that is, Jesus Christ is Lord, the Son of God and God the Son; sin, judgment, and punishment in hell for the wicked; the cross, the blood atonement for sin, and redemption for the saved; Jesus' bodily resurrection, His future secret return (the rapture) to deliver those who trust in Him from the tribulation, and His return in glory seven years later to reign as Messiah from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

A basic doctrine of Is|am is that loyalty to Is|am supersedes loyalty to any other person, state, constitution, or ideology.

Mr. Obama wrote about interment of suspected Is|amist terrorists during wartime, "I will stand with [Arab and Pakistani American immigrants] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." - Dreams From My Father, Barack Obama, p. 261.

If to you that sounds like advocating for the civil rights of persecuted peaceful Mus|ims more than like denying Americans' right to be protected from terrorist attacks, consider Mr. Obama's stand for illegal alien invaders, in opposition to Arizona SB 1070 and the legal residents of Arizona who are under siege. The President and Commander-in-Chief's #1 responsibility is not to defend the invaders, but to protect America and her people from invasion and attacks.

But Mr. Obama's supreme loyalty is to Is|am.

I agree that Obama's father was a lapsed Muslim, that his second father was a devout Muslim ( I don't know if he was radical) and I presume Obama was brought up Muslim at that time at home.

Without a doubt he attended a school in Indonesia, where I understand three religions are taught and you had to chose which one to study. I have never read which one he was enrolled in, leading me to believe it was probably Islam.

I have not read about whom he associated with while at Oxy... but would not be surprised if the hung out with the black/ Arab bad boys. From his book it is clear that he has has perceived that as a black he was separate and apart from the mainstream. Those sorts of feelings of isolation do lead to rebellion.

Plus there is the fact that he does not see himself as biracial ( like Tiger Wood does), but rather choses to minimize his white heritage. There are a lot of blacks, Oprah is one, who are against any acceptance of the biracial concept... if you look black then you are black. Obama grew up in and still buys into the racial divide society... versus lots of people now, especially the young, who see society is a post racial prospective.

Does Columbia say that he never attended the school? I must say that the fact that his fellow classmates do not remember him does not make much of an impression on me. I went to a small high school, with a senior class of less than 60 kids. About 10 years after graduation, I went to grad school. I also went to a high school reunion. There was a person who was also in my grad school class there. We both just starred at each other, jaws wide open. Neither of us remembered being in the same high school class, or ever meeting the other person. We had to be in the same classes (less than 20 students) for years! And I was an elected class leader, cheerleader, etc.. an extremely highly visible person among the high school group. Then about 25 years after high school, an old high school friend starting talking about another high school classmate and I had no clue to who he was. I then met him and still have no memory fo this person. So, given my experience, it could well be that Obama was at Columbia ( and it is a large school) but the people who have been asked don't remember him.

I have never read that Obama speaks Arabic or that he had any involvement with the CIA, etc.

I fully agree that Islam advocates lying for the religion etc. As I said, I do not like that religion.

I also agree with the Christian church Obama went to is foul. I also read that Michelle is the one that picked it and got Obama to go. I would not be in the least surprised if it was done for political reasons. Many, many politicians, in my opinion, claim religious beliefs soley for political purposes.. and that includes Bush.

But I am not convinced Obama is a Muslim. His mother and grandmother were not Muslims and I have never heard that they converted. They brought him up. I read he went to a Christian school in Hawaii. He also smokes. Yes his half sister is a Muslim. Do you know the relgious faith, if any, of his half brother, the one who got a PHD from Stanford in physics and now lives in China?

From the way he speaks about religion, and doesn't speak about it, my best guess, and it is only a guess, is that he is not really a religious believer. Besides, he is the first President to include atheists (not just agnostics) in his inauguration speech. In my experience, most people who are truly believers, cannot make that jump to equal acceptance of non-believers.

About Obama's statement:
"I will stand with [Arab and Pakistani American immigrants] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

I don't think people should be thrown into jail, like they were after 9/11, solely because of their national origin, or their religion. I would say the same thing, if Christians were being rounded up and thrown into jail, or Asians forced into internment camps, etc. You have to do something wrong first, and have to be charged, and given a right to a trial. I think that is what Obama meant. Look at how he has handled Gitmo. It is still operating, even though Obama promised to close it, and a large percentage of his supporters are ticked off he has not done so.

I think Obama is refusing to enforce our immigration laws, and wants amnesty, for the exact same reason Bush acted the same way. They both are acting for the monied elite, who wants a North American Union, and they are going to merge the US and Mexico and make us a bilinguarl country by "evolutionary stealth".

Cayla wrote,

Other candidates who were on the ballot have taken it to court....it was thrown out for lack of standing. Military men who are putting their lives on the line based on his orders have been said by the courts not to have standing. State elected officials have tried....guess what....no standing. There is even a member of the US House who has tried to take this to court and it has been ruled no standing. Apparently nobody in this country has "standing"

I had only heard of two cases brought to court, and both were tossed. On this thread I have been told it was because of lack of standing.

Someone has to have standing. It would seem to me, that it might be the Federal Elections officials. Before the last election, they were controlled by the Bush Administration. So why did they not challenge it in court? Or maybe the electoral college would have standing. Why have they not sued? Why did McCain not sue?

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Cayla wrote,

Other candidates who were on the ballot have taken it to court....it was thrown out for lack of standing. Military men who are putting their lives on the line based on his orders have been said by the courts not to have standing. State elected officials have tried....guess what....no standing. There is even a member of the US House who has tried to take this to court and it has been ruled no standing. Apparently nobody in this country has "standing"

I had only heard of two cases brought to court, and both were tossed. On this thread I have been told it was because of lack of standing.

Someone has to have standing. It would seem to me, that it might be the Federal Elections officials. Before the last election, they were controlled by the Bush Administration. So why did they not challenge it in court? Or maybe the electoral college would have standing. Why have they not sued? Why did McCain not sue?

That is the question....who would they accept as having standing.

"Bettybb: I find it difficult to believe that the Republican Party, or McCain, would not have taken this step they could have knocked Obama out of the race.

Yes...we all find it so much more than hard to believe. You have posed many questions that we have about 123 pages attempting to answer. It is not fair to those here that have worked for many years to try and ansewer...again...what can be perused and briefed in this string. I am not attempting to be insulting or mean but truly..take a min. to read some of the posts here and go to the web sites found in them. Every question you ask has been answered many times in this string. Truly...

THEN...when you come back from the depths if despair that all of the contributors here have been mired in...you might want to consider putting your enormous energies into helping us to figure this all out!!! Truly...

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