Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Mario has a new document up on Scribd.com that is very Obama oriented:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32486123/A-Ca ... waii#about

Here in lies the problem. Articles writters like this one simply do not (or do and are pro Obama) understanding what a "natural born" "native born" and "naturalized" citizen is.

This article asks the question "do you think Obama was born in America...?" This question is moot. It does not matter if he was born in America...even if true... he still would not be qualified for POTUS or VP.

However...I do see a very exhaustive and well written explanation following the question. But to me the damage is done asking the "birther" question in the first place. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER HE WAS BORN IN THE USA OR NOT.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Mario has a new document up on Scribd.com that is very Obama oriented:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32486123/A-Ca ... waii#about

Here in lies the problem. Articles writters like this one simply do not (or do and are pro Obama) understanding what a "natural born" "native born" and "naturalized" citizen is.

This article asks the question "do you think Obama was born in America...?" This question is moot. It does not matter if he was born in America...even if true... he still would not be qualified for POTUS or VP.

However...I do see a very exhaustive and well written explanation following the question. But to me the damage is done asking the "birther" question in the first place. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER HE WAS BORN IN THE USA OR NOT.

Hardline, the Mario I referred to is Mario Apuzzo, prosecuting attorney for the Kerchner suit. He, Orly Taitz, and Leo Donofrio are probably the most prominent and outspoken attorneys making charges against Obama.

My mistake. I should have used his whole name in my post and caused confusion by not doing so. Sorry.

Cool... I just got an email from Orly. She did a good job promoting herself but is going political now. Running for office in Cal. for Secretary of State. Hey...I think she would be OK for it. Why not...can't do any worse. The birthe thing is a dead horse anyway. Much larger fish to fry I think...

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Mario has a new document up on Scribd.com that is very Obama oriented:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32486123/A-Ca ... waii#about

Herein lies the problem. Article writers like this one simply do not (or do and are pro Obama) understand what a "natural born" "native born" and "naturalized" citizen is.

This article asks the question "do you think Obama was born in America...?" This question is moot. It does not matter if he was born in America...even if true... he still would not be qualified for POTUS or VP.

However...I do see a very exhaustive and well written explanation following the question. But to me the damage is done asking the "birther" question in the first place. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER HE WAS BORN IN THE USA OR NOT.

hardlineconstitutionalist, if Barack Obama II's father of record, as claimed on the vault State of Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (or on the hospital birth certificate, if one exists), is someone else besides Barrack Hussain Obama, Snr., then it matters greatly whether he was born in the U.S. or not. We cannot assume anything, but for the purpose of this discussion, let us postulate Barrack Obama, Snr., as that father of record.

Of course Barrack Snr.'s "British Protected Subject" status disqualifies Barack Obama II from being a natural born citizen. Atty. Mario Apuzzo has written very clear and understandable statements for the public, and his PAC has published numerous full page ads in the Washington Times explaining just that, such as these:





He addresses the two disqualifications separately to make them easier to understand for those
who are only marginally aware of the Constitutional crisis which the ineligible impostor has created.

• Most people are aware that something is amiss with Mr. Obama's birth certificate.
  Most of that group are aware that the Certification of Live Birth or COLB presented online may have been tampered with to cover up his birth in Kenya.
  Most among that subset are aware that there is reliable evidence to back up the birth in Kenya, while there is little to recommend a birth in Hawaii besides the dubious COLB on an Obama supporter website.

But I'm not sure that even a goodly fraction of that last subset understand the legal term of art, "natural born citizen," or the Framers' original intent when they used the phrase... much less why Emer de Vattel has anything to do with interpreting the Constitution. Hardly anyone knows that there are seven Supreme Court decisions which in some way agree with de Vattel's definition, much less comprehend that the 14th Amendment (186 and Wong Kim Ark (189 only pertain to citizenship by birth and not natural born citizen status.

One has to dig pretty deep to understand the basis for this dual Constitutional requirement. Perhaps 1% of Americans have a working understanding of the concepts, and after 20 months of research, I'm still learning. Those who do not associate citizenship with parentage or blood think that we are hair-splitting nitpickers unless we introduce the concept of natural born citizenship by the concept they know: 14th Amendment citizenship, "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

So how can a "30-second soundbite conscious" man on the street be persuaded about an issue which takes months to grasp? Atty. Mario Apuzzo has chosen, wisely I think, to communicate the concept in pieces. On the second page of this "Catalog of Evidence," he did inform the reader that there are two criteria for natural born citizen status, and that a candidate lacking either one is not Constitutionally eligible for the Presidency.

[quote="Atty. Mario Apuzzo"][size=117] While many do not understand this, being born in the USA is only one part of the issue.
Being born in the USA is a necessary part, but not sufficient part, of being a "natural born
Citizen." I will explain.

There has been much confusion regarding the role that Obama's place of birth
(represented by his birth certificate) or parentage (represented by his alien father) plays in
his being a "natural born Citizen." A “natural born Citizenâ€

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Cool... I just got an email from Orly. She did a good job promoting herself but is going political now. Running for office in Cal. for Secretary of State. Hey...I think she would be OK for it. Why not...can't do any worse. The birthe thing is a dead horse anyway. Much larger fish to fry I think...

Illegal is illegal...

Kathyet

RantForAmerica seems to have an interesting background and has been banned on YouTube (or so it is rumored) for his disclosures on Obama.

This video discusses some of his 'rant.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNvEZuP-t3g

Boy, is he pi$$ed! I'd like to know where the 2004 video is.

An Unlawful Commander

A Right to Lawful Command

By JB Williams Friday, June 4, 2010

Members of the United States Military have sworn an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and protect the American people from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines have voluntarily accepted the duty to follow all lawful commands and whether Barack Obama & Co. likes it or not, lawful command begins with a lawful Commander-in-Chief. The US Constitution defines what a lawful Commander-in-Chief is, in Article II—Section I—Clause V.

More than 400 civil and criminal suits have been filed in countless courts across the country raising a myriad of challenges to Barack Obama’s legitimacy for the office of president, or Commander-in-Chief.

So far, every court has declined to hear any evidence against Barack Obama. Name one time in history when you could find not one court willing to ask the most obvious questions on a matter as pressing as who the president of the nation really is?

An Unlawful Commander

Under an unlawful commander, every order is an unlawful order. This means that above all other citizens, members of the military have a unique stake in the matter of who is issuing military orders, and as a result, a very real right to get an answer to that question.

It has been well established that no matter who Barack Obama’s real father might be, or where on earth he might have been born, he is NOT a “natural born citizenâ€

Originally Posted by kathyet

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Cool... I just got an email from Orly. She did a good job promoting herself but is going political now. Running for office in Cal. for Secretary of State. Hey...I think she would be OK for it. Why not...can't do any worse. The birthe thing is a dead horse anyway. Much larger fish to fry I think...

Illegal is illegal...

Kathyet

Orly is not illegal...she is a naturalized citizen as is Arnold and all the Mexican and other immigrants in office who should be admired for their hard work and political accomplishments (provide they have not gone socialist...).

[quote]“While Driscoll cited “Rule for Courts-Martial 405â€

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNvEZuP-t3g

At 8:03:
"The man is not eligible to hold that seat, and he admitted it with his own mouth.
What more do you people need?"

We need his immediate removal from office and prosecution and conviction of sedition and treason against the United States.

I'd like to know how his damage control officer purged the entire internet of any trace of the recording of the interaction following the 2004 Keyes-Obama debate.