Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by kathyet

cayla99I wrote:

I personally say stop looking for the BC. If one was found now, we would never know if it was manufactured or not. They have had plenty of time to make a fake that could pass muster.

Well that's fine we can stop looking. But, the question still remains why did our congress except his nomination with out proof of being a natural born citizen in the first place? It is a little late now to show manufactured proof, to much has been done, money spent and facts hidden for it to valid. If it was a real one, it would have been provided to begin with at the appropriate time. By producing one now out of the blue, it will clearly be labeled a fake. The time has past when it should have been provide to the Congress now it is showing that Congress was derelict in its duty.

No matter what is done the question will always remain. Too many are involved in the secret. They laugh in the face of the American People. But secrets with more than two people usually always come out. My worry is that our Country will go through hell before it is all rectified.

I hope and pray that with the Grace of God the traitors in this country (of which there are many) will eventually rue the day they committed this treasonous act on the Constitution and people of this Country.

Kathyet

Kathy, I agree with you that the people who were involved in this fraud should face justice. However, I have grave doubts that this case as it stands will ever see it's day in court. If Obama makes it through his first term, he won't receive the blessings of the DNC to run for a second term. He will be quietly thrown under the bus because he has become too much of a liability. He couldn't pass muster and they KNOW it! I DO want to see people like Pelosi face justice though as she was, IMO, involved in a massive fraud and cover-up.

Hey! back in the day, when we were all getting our drivers license didn't we have to show our BC's? I remember I had to send for mine to get my DL!

WHY IS THE RIGHT HELPING OBAMA REWRITE THE DEFINITION OF NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

By J.B. Williams
January 20, 2011
NewsWithViews.com

Definitions are easy, they are found in the dictionary. Yet, millions of Americans remain stuck in a quagmire of dissenting views and alleged expert opinions over the simple term natural born citizen, one of only a few strict constitutional requirements for the highest office in our land, President and Commander-in-Chief.

According to dictionaries dating as far back as Webster’s 1828 Edition, the term natural born citizen has a very simple and specific common meaning, and according to the framers of the US Constitution, a very important distinction.

Natural – Pertaining to nature; produced or effected by nature, or by the laws of growth, formation or motion impressed on bodies or beings by divine power. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/natural

Born – To be born, is to be produced or brought into life. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/born

Citizen – In the United States, a person, native or naturalized, who has the privilege of exercising the elective franchise, or the qualifications which enable him to vote for rulers, and to purchase and hold real estate. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/citizen

Based upon the official definition of these words, we know immediately that the term natural born citizen is not based upon statute or any form of man-made law. It exists in nature, the result of natural law, by divine power, only able to be recognized or ignored by legislative process, but still inalienable via legal processes.

Many self-proclaimed experts insist that the US Constitution was written in some secret code, which can only be deciphered for the common folk, by legal scholars of the highest order. Yet on the basis of simple definitions, we know that if we are discussing any form of man-made law requiring the analysis of legal scholars, we are NOT discussing natural-born.

The term natural born citizen is of nature, not man-made law. The Constitution is written in plain and simple English, each word with a specific definition and meaning easily found in any English dictionary. Fortunately, not only legal scholars have access to dictionaries, making it possible for anyone who can read, to understand the Constitution, so long as they have a dictionary in hand.

After all, what good are unalienable rights that legal scholars are free to alienate via politically motivated interpretations?

History Confirms

Some self-appointed experts have gone so far as to intentionally twist history in an effort to reduce the meaning of natural born citizen to native born status, which is not the same thing and once again, you need only a dictionary to confirm.

Native - Pertaining to the place of birth; as native soil; native country; native graves. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/native

As you can clearly see by proper definition, people focused only upon finding a real Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Obama are focused on establishing only his native born status, his place of birth, not his natural born status. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833

A birth certificate is a product of man-made law. A document designed by governments to establish and record the bloodline, birth place, circumstance and vital statistics of an individual’s birth - A means of identifying and tracking that individual throughout life.

At best, it could only confirm that Obama’s stated birth father is his birth father of record, in which case, confirming what we already know, that Barack Obama Jr. is the son of a foreign national, and as such, is not a natural born citizen of the United States even if he is a native born citizen of Hawaii.

The historical foundation for the term natural born citizen found in Article II – Section I of our Constitution is the Law of Nations, as mentioned in Article 1 – Section 8 of our Constitution. An international treaty in existence during the forming of our nation, which established internationally recognized standards for what constitutes a sovereign nation and citizens’ rights. http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm

Emerich de Vattel published a book on the Law of Nations in 1758. In Chapter 19, § 212. Under Of the citizens and natives, Vattel states very clearly what constitutes a natural born citizen of any sovereign nation, in three simple statements…and our framers borrowed the term.

1) As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
2) The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
3) I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

As easy as one, two, three… it’s all about the natural birthrights of the father. Nothing else…

Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.

Barack Obama’s stated birth father was at no time in his life, a legal citizen of the United States. He was at all times throughout his life, a British subject and legal citizen of Kenya. As such, through natural birthright, Barack Obama succeeded to all of his father’s rights as a natural born citizen of Kenya, and at best a dual citizen of the United States with divided national loyalties through the bloodline of his mother, alleged to be a legal US citizen.

On this basis alone, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is indeed constitutionally ineligible for the office he currently holds and every member of congress and the Supreme Court is well aware. This explains why both Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat National Committee and the Democrat Party of Hawaii refused to certify Obama as “constitutionally eligible for officeâ€

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie's comments about his (thus far unsuccessful) Search for the Obot Holy Grail were reported in the Marxist-socialist media (MSM) and have caused a stir in the general populace, those who are not fixated 24/7 on the usurpation.

Originally Posted by cayla99

When rebuttals come that we do not follow the "law of nations," simply ask why in Article 1, Section 8, it says Congress has the power to punish offenses against the law of nations. They do not know how to respond...

Cayla99, Obots may not know how to respond, but to use that tact is intellectually dishonest, I think. It certainly won't fly in court with an unsympathetic judge.

Yes, "the Law of Nations" is capitalized (though not underlined) in the text of the Constitution, which indicates a specific subject rather than a subject in general. Yes, Emerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations may well have been the book on the president's desk at the signing of the Constitution. Yes, de Vattel's The Law of Nations was the source of record for the definition of "natural born citizen."

But IMO (weight = zero), within the context of the Constitution, the common understanding of the phrase, "the Law of Nations," was and is "commonly accepted international law." An offense against a specific book, de Vattel's The Law of Nations, would have been of no consequence to the Framers. An offense against commonly accepted international law, and the fabric of constraints and social order provided by that law, would have been as earth-shattering to the Framers as the disregard and abrogation of parts of the Constitution is to law-abiding U.S. citizens today.

As we support and defend the Constitution, we need not be pedants and nit-pickers grasping at coincidental phraseology.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

I DO want to see people like Pelosi face justice though, as she was, IMO, involved in a massive fraud and cover-up.

Enough of sooth-saying, political correctness, and pulling punches. It is more than just fraud that DNC Chairwoman Rep. Nancy Pelosi and DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond misrepresented Mr. Obama as Constitutionally qualified. It is, on the face of it, giving aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S. Constitution who is even now committing ongoing sedition in his overthrow of Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5.

Mr. Obama has not just violated the "natural born Citizen" clause. Unless he is brought to justice, for sedition against the Constitution at the very least, that part of the Constitution is toast, which will lead to more foreigners with foreign loyalties ruling the United States.

As for being an enemy of the U.S., Mr. Obama has done far more financial damage to American investors on Wall Street than the 9/11 hijackers did to the World Trade Center at Liberty & Church Streets. Mr. Obama's redistribution of American investors' wealth, force-multiplied by Obamacare, may eventually cause many more than 3000 needless and otherwise avoidable deaths of U.S. citizens.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorial ... eavor.html

This is the part of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser interview with Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie that mentions Mr. Obama's birth certificate.

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.html

Honolulu Star-Advertiser[/url]][Star-Advertiser political columnist Richard Borreca] Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

[Hawaii's newly elected governor, Neil Abercrombie] A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

I DO want to see people like Pelosi face justice though, as she was, IMO, involved in a massive fraud and cover-up.

Enough of sooth-saying, political correctness, and pulling punches. It is more than just fraud that DNC Chairwoman Rep. Nancy Pelosi and DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond misrepresented Mr. Obama as Constitutionally qualified. It is, on the face of it, giving aid and comfort to an enemy of the U.S. Constitution who is even now committing ongoing sedition in his overthrow of Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5.

Mr. Obama has not just violated the "natural born Citizen" clause. Unless he is brought to justice, for sedition against the Constitution at the very least, that part of the Constitution is toast, which will lead to more foreigners with foreign loyalties ruling the United States.

As for being an enemy of the U.S., Mr. Obama has done far more financial damage to American investors on Wall Street than the 9/11 hijackers did to the World Trade Center at Liberty & Church Streets. Mr. Obama's redistribution of American investors' wealth, force-multiplied by Obamacare, may eventually cause many more than 3000 needless and otherwise avoidable deaths of U.S. citizens.

Minuteman, that's more like it Glad to hear that you think it's time to take the gloves off. I felt this way a long time ago.

2012

You can have a birth certificate without citizenship but you can't have a US Passport without being a US Citizen.

Obama needs to be forced to produce both before being certified as a candidate in the 2012 election. You put that on the table and he wont run.

State election codes need to be modified now and in place to insist on documentation that proves a candidate for the office of US President is a natural born citizen before the 2012 election. For that matter, any candidate should show proof of citizenship when required for that office and proof of identity to run for any office. Damn sure wouldn't want to elect an undocumented foreigner, terrorist or a spy.

I certainly would never settle for a notation in a birth record index because many people have access to that record, including the public in some cases. Many people can produce a "certificate of birth" but they can not produce the "long form".

Dixie

You do not need to be a natural born citizen to get a passport. My son has duel citizenship and possesses both a US and Irish passport.

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AND WHO IS THE DIRECTOR?

by Jim Black

Dr. Chiyome Fukino left her directorship at the Hawaii Department of Health as soon as Neil Abercrombie was sworn in on December 6, 2010

(Jan. 21, 2011) — During the 2008 election, Hawaii’s Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, said: “I have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.â€