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Maliki, Prime Minister of Iraq and Iran are having good relations.

Iran and Iraq are having a LoveFest. What could be wrong with that?

http://press.jrc.it/NewsExplorer/cluste ... 5dab4.html

More on status on Iran and Iraq from New York Times. Americans are the only ones blaming Iranians for the sectarian violence in Iraq. I don't believe the Iranian Government has anything to do with these bandits in the streets of Iraq. They are either local Iraqis or Iraqis returning from Iran. It would make no sense for the Iranian Government to try to destablize Iraq when their religion type is the a) majority in population and b) doing it's fair share of running the country.

It's all fascinating.

Later!

Originally Posted by Judy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a

According to this the Shi'a/Shiites represent the majority in Iraq at 55%.

Saddam was a Ba'thist Sunni.

I believe the present government is mostly Shi'a/Shiites.

Why would Iran wish to terrorize a nation where the majority population and the majority rule is of their own brethren?

They are not terrorizing the nation to terrorize the nation. They want to drive out the Americans and then use the Shi'ite majority to make Iraq an Iranian proxy state.

Originally Posted by Judy

More on status on Iran and Iraq from New York Times. Americans are the only ones blaming Iranians for the sectarian violence in Iraq. I don't believe the Iranian Government has anything to do with these bandits in the streets of Iraq. They are either local Iraqis or Iraqis returning from Iran. It would make no sense for the Iranian Government to try to destablize Iraq when their religion type is the a) majority in population and b) doing it's fair share of running the country.

It's all fascinating.

Later!

The NYT... now there's a credible source for geopolitical information...

CrockersGhost ""set up an Iranian Proxy State"

Oooh!

Sooo that's why we hate Iran...our diplomatic competitor in Iraq.

Well...which one do you think will be the most successful..an Iranian Proxy State or an American Proxy State?

It might be wiser to become friends with Iran and make them an American Proxy State...diplomatically. They are a bigger country, more than twice the population of Iraq with more influence in the region.

Iran also has a very young population that really likes Americans.

Later!!

Originally Posted by Judy

CrockersGhost ""set up an Iranian Proxy State"

Oooh!

Sooo that's why we hate Iran...our diplomatic competitor in Iraq.

Well...which one do you think will be the most successful..an Iranian Proxy State or an American Proxy State?

It might be wiser to become friends with Iran and make them an American Proxy State...diplomatically. They are a bigger country, more than twice the population of Iraq with more influence in the region.

Iran also has a very young population that really likes Americans.

Later!!

Judy, have you been to Iran? I have. I fully understand what the opinion of the average Iranian with regards to the US is. As a matter of fact, I had an enjoyable eight hours of flying time conversing with an Iranian woman seated next to me on an Emirates Air flight just a few months ago. You know what? Most Germans loved Americans going into WWII as well. The problem in both cases was/is the evil leadership of the nation in question. Hitler believed that in order to remake the world into his desired image, certain ethnicities had to be liquidated. He believed others should be kept around but relegated to almost subhuman status. He had the will, the intent, and the means to inflict horrors upon this world and so he and the nation that gave him power had to be dealt with. Our fathers were sufficiently wise and courageous to understand that.

Today, Iranian President Ahmadinejad believes that it is his mission to bring about the return of the 12th Imam in order to remake the world into his desired image. He and his fellow nutball followers who believe that the world must be brought to the brink of annihiliation in order to prompt the return of their messiah are no larger a force in Iran than the Nazis were in Germany just a decade prior to the launching of the blitz against Europe, yet they have the means to spark a war today and will have the means to destroy an entore nation if they are allowed to obtain nuclear weapons. We have little doubt as to the intent of a leader who claims that one of the most energy-rich nations on Earth requires nuclear power for peaceful purposes. The man is on record as claiming that he will destroy the state of Israel and bring America to her knees.

Now, if you cannot see the parallels or are too unsophisticated to understand that the goodwill of the people of Iran means nothing if the leadership with the power to make war plots war, then we can scarcely have a meaningful conversation on the matter. You keep responding to my points with irrelevancies even as you utterly ignore and refuse to directly address those points.

Are you a Muslim or Iranian? I ask because your defense of Iran is unusually strident and marked by sophistry of the sort generally reserved for those whose defense of a people or nation runs deeper than simple political discussion and is predicated more on raw emotion brought about by extreme closeness to the topic at hand.

Your whole premise CrackerGhost is based upon the comparison to Nazi Germany.

If you believe the Germans didn't know what Hitler was doing; that they didn't support what he was doing ... then well, Dear, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Because the Germans did know and they supported every single bit of it.

Sure...AFTER they lost the war, that was an easy and convenient response ... "we didn't know".

BS.

And Iran has been nuclear almost exclusivelly for almost 30 years...when the United States convinced them to GO NUCLEAR POWER and save their oil resources for export revenues. The US and Germany sold them all the equipment for most of those nuclear power plants.

Originally Posted by Judy

Your whole premise CrackerGhost is based upon the comparison to Nazi Germany.

If you believe the Germans didn't know what Hitler was doing; that they didn't support what he was doing ... then well, Dear, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Because the Germans did know and they supported every single bit of it.

Sure...AFTER they lost the war, that was an easy and convenient response ... "we didn't know".

BS.

And Iran has been nuclear almost exclusivelly for almost 30 years...when the United States convinced them to GO NUCLEAR POWER and save their oil resources for export revenues. The US and Germany sold them all the equipment for most of those nuclear power plants.

The Germans knew what Hitler was doing to an extent, just as the Iranians know what Ahmadinejad is doing to an extent. The Germans were angry at the Jews because they blamed them for taking advantage of the harsh reparations imposed after WWI. Similarly, Ahmadinejad is playing on Islamist anger at a Jewish homeland planted in the middle of what they consider Islamic lands.

Besides, your claim that my entire premise is based upon that the Germans never knew what Hitler was up to is completely false. I never made such a claim. That again speaks to the odd stridency of your arguments.

Now, as to your claim that Iran has been "almost exclusively nuclear for almost 30 years," where do you get that? The US supported the building of a German reactor back in the '70s, but that was before the nation was taken over by radical Islamists. The reactor was never built, and only now have the Russians revived the project at Bushehr. So not only is Iran not "almost exclusively nuclear," it is not yet nuclear at all.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke.htm

It appears the Iran-Iraqi War resulted in the destruction of theiir nuclear power plants and then they suspended their program.

Geez...war is so destructive.

So that explains it even better...they want to RESUME their nuclear power program.

Why in the world would we object to that? We're the ones that sold them on the idea to begin with.

Expediting nuclear power plant construction in the US is this Wackident's Energy Solution for the US.

On what basis would we object to IRAN a nation we sold on the idea 30 years ago following through on what we said they should do and are in fact telling ourselves now we should do?

Well, anyway, it appears that reason is prevailing and the Wackident is backing off his threats against Iran deciding that a third failed war is not what he wants branded on his Legacy.