Thread: The New Definition of a Racist

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

There is one thing that we better hear about in the news real soon, it's about the man in Afghanistan who became a Christian and was being threatened with a death sentence, and when they released him he said he is asking for assylum with a free country, we darn better give it to him, this is a valid reason to have someone come here, RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION!!

Italy has offered to grant him asylum. All he has to do is "spirit" himself out of the country and get there. But there are those in Afghanistan who want him to be detained. He wasn't found "not guilty" in the trial ... the trial was merely postponed.

Of course, the problem isn't "Islam" as a religion ... it's "Sharia Law" that some, but not all, Islamic people adhere to. When the US liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, we should have made it VERY clear to Hamid Karzai that Afghans can choose whatever government they want ... but if that government included laws by Sharia dictate, we'd yank all funding from the country and let the Taliban take it back. If Sharia law remains in force in Afghanistan, we will have accomplished very little. Afghanistan will merely become a new Taliban nation wearing prettier clothes.

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

In Multnomah county Oregon, land of the liberals and socialists, it is so thick here, you could spoon it!!

Hehehe, I just noticed you were an Oregonian. Hello from Portland (grin). I used to live in Gresham a few years ago, though.

Ditto on what you said about Wyden. And Smith is worse than a fence-sitter. He talks the talk but, when it gets down to the nitty-gritty, doesn't walk the walk of the consituency that put him in power. The difference between them? I suspect that Wyden's sympathies are with the illegals ... and that Smith's sympathies are with the employers who hire them. Some difference, huh.

P.S. On the issue of illegal immigration, I may seem a bit right-wing. But the truth is that I'm a political moderate. I got into a debate (on another forum) with a conservative and he asked me to define "moderate." This is how I did it.

Recently, I was driving to my bank and, on the corner of 82nd and Holgate, saw a man standing on the corner holding up a sign reading:

HOMELESS AND HUNGARY

The conservative in me wanted to roll down my window and suggest that if he was a better speller (hungry, not hungary), he'd be able to get a job to support himself. The liberal in me wanted to roll down my window and give him a five-dollar bill. But being a moderate (grin), I kept my window rolled up and just drove right on by.

Whoa there Answerman!!!!!I did not realize you lived here!! Fantastic. Nice to have a local ally in this socialistic, liberal county. I live out in Gresham.

We need more people from the Oregon in this fight. Have you seen Oregonians for Immigration Reform site? They have been at the forefront of getting Kulongoski (otherwise known in my family as Kolonoscopy!!) to stop the states involvement in the Mexican Consulates Matricula Consular card giveaways. The state has always sent out employees at the cost of the taxpayers, to let the illegal aliens about the state benefits they could illegally get with their new illegal ID!!!! NICE.....huh?

They are also fighting the issue of the state letting the DMV to give out licenses to them as well.

Recruit some more people, I have been trying. We need more people here that are willing to speak up to those pushy liberals that stand with their mouth gaping when you say you want illegal aliens to go back to where they came from. Gresham is pretty conservative, so that is never a problem. I am thinking of making some "business" card up and having ALIPAC's website and Oregonians for Immigration Reform's website on it. Then each time the opportunity presents itself, hand them out.

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

I am thinking of making some "business" card up and having ALIPAC's website and Oregonians for Immigration Reform's website on it. Then each time the opportunity presents itself, hand them out.

Oh, oh. Here's where the moderate in me gets in trouble (grin). I went to the Oregonians for Immigration reform website, visited their "join" page, and read this:

We harbor no disrespect toward immigrants, rather we believe that it is the quantity of immigration to America and Oregon which is straining our environmental, fiscal, and social structures. Oregonians For Immigration Reform is committed to working toward the establishment of lower immigration numbers.

I'd agree with that statement only if it read this way:

We harbor no disrespect toward immigrants, rather we believe that it is the quantity of illegal immigration to America and Oregon which is straining our environmental, fiscal, and social structures. Oregonians For Immigration Reform is committed to working toward the establishment of lower illegal immigration numbers.

I think our current immigration quota system is reasonable. But, I do agree it should be better managed - especially if more thorough background checks were added into the mix. My step-dad's parents came from Scotland, my maternal grandparents came from Canada, with my real father's dad coming from England and mother coming from the Netherlands. So, I'm only 3 generations removed from my immigrant roots.

I see no need to curtail legal immigration. That kind of diversity is something I think America can live with. However, being a moderate (grin), I can see a compromise by "percentage." For example, if the legal US population increases 1% in a given year, I'd be open to decreasing the immigrant quota by 1% the following year ... and so on.

But, that's just me.

My family has lived in oregon for 80 plus years and more then a hundred in washington state. I can vouch for oregonians for immigration reform as being a top notch group . nothing is wrong with them at all.
secondly- many of us born in the pacific northwest were not at all happy by the populaton boom starting in tbe 80's - with legal americans and illegal aliens-
quality of life has severely dropped. the geographic limitations on growth are severe- there is not enough space- we are suffering from all those people who came here and still come here.
their position is extremely moderate. and not all of us want the united states to stay open to immigration. many of us dare to say things like give us a ten year break for god's sake/
you will not find a group of larger then one that will agree with you- that is the only truth.

Problem is, illegal immigration has been given a wink-and-nod for so long that no one knows what it would have been like if only legal immigrants had made landfall. I'd not want to broadbrush all immigrants as being bad unless the data I had to look at was solely based on legal immigration. But, that's the missing data.

But again, that's just my moderate viewpoint. I will say this, though. There are a number of professions in this country that go "understaffed." Canada has an immigration system that prioritizes an immigrant by (A) the skills they possess, and (B) the need for people with those skills in Canada. In short, if Canada needed more machinists, immigrant petitioners with verifiable machinist skills would get put to the top of the list. I like that concept.

BTW, here's a thought. I suspect a lot of illegal Mexican immigrants were not agricultural workers in Mexico ... that a large percentage of them were inner-city dwellers just looking for a good income to send home to their families, even farm work. My ex-wife's brother (a Filipino) still works at the farm he's worked at (in SW Washington) since the day he arrived in the US. On that farm is a very large Kenyan family. In Kenya, there are a "lot" of petitioners and many of them have a "lot" of agricultural experience. I've watched that family work and, frankly, they work RINGS around the Asians, Ukranians, and Mexicans. If we kicked out every illegal Mexican immigrant working on farms and replaced them with Kenyans, I'd be willing to bet agricultural productivity would go through the roof (grin) ... either bringing down prices, warranting a "raise" for the worker, or both.

I dont have time to discuss this' go to
www.numbersusa.com which deals with immigration from a population point of view

Originally Posted by thelmahopkins

I dont have time to discuss this' go to
www.numbersusa.com which deals with immigration from a population point of view

Been there ... and just re-visited to see if something new had been added since my last visit. I stand by my last post ... and my attitude surrounding missing data. I think much of the "numbers" issue is fueled by the bleedover factor ... that legal immigrants are suffering for the sins of the illegals (or more accurately, the sins of politicians who cater to illegals).

I also stand by the plaque inscription on the Statue of Liberty at Ellis Island (recited earlier) and wouldn't want to edit it, revise it, or discard it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

the plaque on the statue of liberty is from a poetry contest made long after the statue was given to the us.
it is bad poetry . it is not United states law. some wierd woman wrote it.
shouldnt you be calling you're senators?
Did you read the bill and see that it not only legalizes the 20 million illegals but allows for 25 million more people . ?????????
I think you are new and need to do some reading.
www.numbersusa.com

ps Kenyans ie africans - did you know that they rip off the genitals of their female children when they reach puberty and then sew them up so they are in pain the rest of thier life?
on those grounds alone we should not allow people who openly practice cruelty to women into our country. hell be damned about tradition and we must be kind and pro- diversity. there is some real ugliness on this planet and since nothing is required of new immigrants in terms of cultural adaptation- they - the kenyans - would be on my exclusion list/
also- the united states does not need millions of hard workers- ie slaves- we have plenty of good workers.
I would be impressed if they were artists- but the female genital mutilation is too much for me/
my friend was a nurse in the peace corps in africa. she saw first hand the evidence. they ripped off their clitorises and labias with broken coke bottles.