Thread: STOP IT!

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

I'm not voting for McCain or Obama.

Obama is obvious, he is about as pro illegal alien as you can get and the only line he has not stolen from them yet is "Our land our continent!"

I will not vote for McCain for the following reasons.

1. I will not be in a bad relationship with McCain where he can abuse me and the entire nation and still get me to bend over to service him politically.

2. If McCain wins the national message will be "A Republican can screw over the base on immigration and still win! No need to ever revisit this issue!"

3. If Obama wins there will be a strong chance of a populist backlash in the GOP ranks in 2010. That is what happened in 94 after Clinton's first year. If McCain wins, we lose any chance of a true conservative backlash.

4. If McCain loses it will lead to the GOP eating the neocons butts alive for the next two years as they take the blame for the destruction in the party and nation.

5. If McCain wins, they will tout their policies including Comprehensive Immigration Reform as the reason why.

6. McCain is more likely to get an amnesty through Congress than Obama is.

7. McCain lied to everyone in the Primary and talked tough on borders and then 180'd as soon as he had won.

8. I feel more betrayed by the aristocrat level of the Republican party than I do by the Democrats. I have come to expect liberal behavior from liberal Democrats. I blame McCain more for having deprived me and every American from any real choice on some of the most important issues like illegal immigration in 2008.

9. If McCain wins, the neocons will hunt down populist Republicans with political dogs and endeavor to expel us all from the party over the next four years. If Obama wins, McCain will not have the power to do that.

10. Obama is so radical and inexperienced that his agenda's from the White House are more likely to fail and be rebuked by the American public.

11. If Obama wins, the true conservative base in America will immediately rally against him.

12. If McCain wins, the true conservative or populist base will continue to be oppressed as they are now since he won the primary.

13. McCain is the most likely of the two candidate to continue to support and expand NAFTA, CAFTA, and the SPP.

14. If Obama wins and goes after talk radio to try and restore the Fairness doctrine, almost all Republicans will unite against him. If McCain wins and goes to crack down on free speech on the web and talk radio the Democrats will support him and back him and the traitor Republicans as they move to dismantle our free speech with some Republican traitor support to move their agenda ahead with the appearance of bipartisanship.

15. Each vote for McCain or Obama is a vote they can point to and claim public support for themselves, their candidacy, and their agenda.

17. I plan to vote, but not for McCain or Obama. I do not want to have any feelings that i was in any way responsible for what either of these two V******V do once elected. I am washing my hands of this Presidential race. My conscience will be clean and I will not be a political accessory to either one of them. My slogan will be "Don't blame me, you are the ones that voted for these two traitors."

W

Im pretty much with W here. There comes a time when a line must be drawn in the sand. Enough is enough.

Originally Posted by melena29

Originally Posted by miguelina

IMHO the POTUS is but a puppet figure, therefore I will vote for Chuck Baldwin. Most importantly, we need to vote in pro-enforcement people for Congress. Immigration laws will not be up to the POTUS, but to Congress and I intend to do all I can to make sure the pro-illegals are voted OUT of office as much as possible.

Since his views on this most important immigration issue are the closest to mine, he will also enjoy my vote (if he's on the ballot here in PA).

Let me tell you what I did today. I got one of those campaign solicitations from the DNC, which really made me mad (electronically signed by the O-man himself). As I started to tear it up, I realized there was a postage paid envelope for the return of Obama money. I highlighted the talking points of the letter and added my own counter points. For example, when he touted making sure that workers and their labor are properly rewarded, I asked whether he meant the foreigners taking our jobs or those of us still lucky enough to be working. You get the idea. Then I typed a very professional letter that said in no uncertain terms that as a lifelong democrat, I am disgusted with the choice my party has given me for POTUS, and at this time my decision was to vote 3rd party. I assured him however, that if the DNC dared to ask me one more time for a contribution, my vote would then go to McCain.

A bit childish, I know, but it felt good telling them off on their own dime.

GOOD FOR YOU! I did the same to Hillary one time! It felt great!

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

MW is right on this InvadersGetOut

Everyone needs to use maximum respect levels for each other on this contentious issue.

The last thing we need is anger between supporters. The last thing we need is any alienating of anyone on this.

If you folks engage in that or allow that to happen, those that support McCain and Obama's pro amnesty positions will benefit greatly from your inability to respectfully disagree yet continue to fight as a unified force.

Everyone stick to the rules. NO INSULTS of other board users. We even treat our opposition with maximum respect here.

W

true enough. sorry, will control self.

part of my frustration is how un-unified our side appears to be.

Originally Posted by invadersgetout

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

MW is right on this InvadersGetOut

Everyone needs to use maximum respect levels for each other on this contentious issue.

The last thing we need is anger between supporters. The last thing we need is any alienating of anyone on this.

If you folks engage in that or allow that to happen, those that support McCain and Obama's pro amnesty positions will benefit greatly from your inability to respectfully disagree yet continue to fight as a unified force.

Everyone stick to the rules. NO INSULTS of other board users. We even treat our opposition with maximum respect here.

W

true enough. sorry, will control self.

part of my frustration is how un-unified our side appears to be.

Aside from a few spats here on the boards, our side is more unified than ever with more groups working together than ever before.

There are some groups that are on the outs or that have been abusive towards others or to the cause we will not work with, but overall we are still the record holders on coalition efforts.

W

invadersgetout wrote:

part of my frustration is how un-unified our side appears to be.

From what I have found on this website is an absolute unification on stopping illegal immigration and reversing the effects of their cost to this society, not only monetary, but language and tradition. The elections are highly emotionally and as far as I am concerned, none of the candidates have answered in their publicized plans to protect this country and our traditions and language.
Call me extremely cynical, but what rhetoric is on the campaign trail may easily turn into something completely different once the office is assumed.

It's all such a mess, and our country has so many really serious problems, it's no wonder that our emotions are running high. These are scarey times, that's for sure.

Here's my worry.....if Obama wins and we have a Democrat Congress....it would seem to me that he could pass an amnesty bill with very little trouble.

I'm thinking it would be harder for McCain, although again I'm still thinking if we have a Democrat Congress it could be just about as easy for McCain to do as well.

This is my dilemma.

Overall, I do trust a McCain more on keeping us secure. Plain and simply I just feel extremely vulernable with Obama as the president. He's going to be nice to everyone and somehow, someway I just don't think a president today can be friends with everyone, nor do I think they should be friends with everyone given the enemies who are out there and who are very real. Yea, sure, have a nice president, but good grief....have one who is going to stand up to leaders or countries which pose a serious threat to US. That's the way I feel about it.

Who the heck is Obama going to stand up to? I don't think he even knows or perhaps he doesn't even CARE that some of these countries and their leaders would love to see harm come to us. Either that or he is very naive! I feel as though Obama is living in a dream world. I feel that he is in a constant state of denial and that REALLY worries me.
I love the idea of "being nice to everyone", but I don't TRUST it to keep us safe in the future.

That is something that at least I can say about McCain. I think he knows that some serious enemies and threats exist and I think he knows exactly who they are. I'll at least give him that much.

I'm just lost, everytime I try to deal with all of this I feel as though I'm running head on into a brick wall.

I do not want to vote for John McCain.....but if I don't then Obama is going to become the next president and with what I'm learning more and more each day about him.... THAT seems like it might be the worst possible scenario for our country.

HELP!

Originally Posted by APACHEWHOKNOWS

Count me out.

The Apache lost New Mexico, Az, Nevada, Texas due to just this kind of infighing, lost it to unlimited illegal immigration from the South.

Now America fights within, this small band, that small band, no one willing to join together long enough to fight the real fight.

The Republican base is not McCain, he is not the Republican Party, nor are the few amnesty lusters named above. The grass roots of the party is talking the talk, walking the walk and voteing out amnesty Congress members in primaries.

The Democtats do the other, they lust for more illegals knowing they will vote Democtatic and open the border more.

The Third Parties, fools gold, just glitter now. Later maybe, no time now
the battle rages, not enough warriors on the front lines, to many busy
talking bull behind the lines also known as REMFS.

APACHE WHO KNOWS

not posting here much any more due to this problem on these boards

Facts Count, time for the real fight, McCain can be controled, Obama is a real danger to it all.

The third party time must be later if needed right now, its fight or die.
November 4th.

Agreed! Palin 08 gets my vote

Here's why I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin: McCain or Obama will win, with a Democratic Congress. There will be another amnesty bill proposed. We will call our Senators and demand a filibuster. My vote for Baldwin, and millions others across the country, is evidence of how important this single issue is for me and for all of us. The politicians cannot ignore that in their decision. It's more important than a thousand phone calls. And hopefully they will tally these votes by precinct so even the House Representatives can gauge the frustrations within their districts (and Senators will be wary about midterm elections.)

To be fair, there is one benefit to a McCain win I see.

That benefit is that if McCain is competitive or wins then our loses on the Republican side in Congress will be minimized or not happen.

The anti incumbent winds are blowing and while Dems will lose some seats a Dem sweep in the Presidency and the Congress would be devastating to our cause.

At least if McCain wins or stays close there will be no Dem Sweep.

W

ALIPAC wrote:

That benefit is that if McCain is competitive or wins then our loses on the Republican side in Congress will be minimized or not happen.

You're right because most folks will vote for a straight ticket. Honestly, most voters are lazy and uninformed - they will take the easy way out vice researching their options. Is voting a straight ticket always the best thing to do? Of course not, but if McCain and Palin win, that's exactly what I'm hoping for this year.