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06-18-2018, 07:05 PM #271
Anyone can get a Tax Identification Number from the IRS. All you do is call up and ask for one.
The opportunities, from the manufacturer or importer, through the distribution network to the retailer, for a black market are tremendous. And the profit from such a black market would be an irresistible opportunity. And illegal aliens as well as legal citizens will be looking for bargains. How blind you are!
You don't need to steal a SS ID to file an income tax return. You need an SS number to get a driver's license in most states, and get a job with most employers.
You are so desperately against a Fabulous FairTax for no valid or coherent reason at all, after 27 pages, and wracking your weak little minds for 9 days, you still haven't come up with one good reason to oppose it.
You're like heroin addicts on Oxy, addicted to that income tax. DemoQuacks are addicted to the income tax. It's strange to see "conservatives" working so hard to preserve a tax system that rewards importers and illegal aliens at the expense of Americans, and hasn't once in its 105 year history ever paid the bills, not once, not even when they thought Clinton had balanced the budget, he hadn't. That was based on "projections" that didn't come to fruition.
The FairTax funds the government, robustly funds SS and Medicare, penalizes illegal aliens and importers, frees Americans who aren't "retailers" which is the very vast portion of us from any federal tax paperwork obligations of any kind, restores liberty of choice, freedom to spend, invest and save without tax implications, Rebates the tax to Americans and Legal Immigrants for necessities up to a limit. It shuts down all these phony 501 C 3 "charity" frauds we compete with every day on immigration and trade. It's just beautiful.
It's the best tax and economic development legislation ever presented to the American People.
The only question is are Americans still smart enough to grab it and pass it, and I think yes, as soon as we have enough Republicans in Congress to do so. We don't need a lot more, but a few more and then under Trump, the FairTax will become the law of our land solving so many of our problems every day of every week of every month of every year, in due course, by the numbers, without fuss or muss, without international disputes, without WTO, without lawsuits, without trade agreements, without confrontation.Last edited by Judy; 06-18-2018 at 07:21 PM.
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06-18-2018, 07:58 PM #272
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And that's our government's fault for allowing that!
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With this tax, manufacturers could certainly increase their profits by selling out the back door. And it would be easy to get away with it because there is no IRS auditing their income and expenses.
Further down the line, any distributor could sell a truckload to a blackmarketeer and make an untracked profit.
And an illegal alien would love to get that discount, as well as many legal citizens and aliens.
So it would create a new crime cartel.
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06-18-2018, 08:00 PM #273
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06-18-2018, 08:12 PM #274
What underground economy? Where is this underground economy? Does anyone besides you, MW and jtdc know about it? Have you been there, do you buy stuff there? I've lived in 4 states, worked in 20 states and have never seen this "underground economy"? I see knock-offs on the streets of New York selling fake stuff. But that's hardly an "underground economy", any NYPD officer can shut them down in 3 seconds if they wanted to.
The importer doesn't pay the FairTax. The sellers on the sidewalk collect the FairTax from consumers. Any law enforcement in New York can check their sales receipts on the spot. They have to have a permit to get the rights to sell on the streets as a vendor to begin with. Very easy to ensure the FairTax is collected properly. And I would hardly call the "streets of New York" an "underground economy".
You guys don't understand how the Fairtax works, who is actually responsible for paying for it, how it impacts our economy, the many problems it solves, how easy it is, how truly Fabulous the FairTax is for all Americans, American Workers and American Businesses.
On one hand, it so funny to me, but on the other it's sad to see these grand displays of such desperate ignorance. It's why our Founders made the USA a Republicn instead of a democracy. Thank God for them.A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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06-18-2018, 08:25 PM #275
What claims will not come to fruition? You don't think taxing imports will reduce imports? Is Trump wrong about tariffs? You don't think taxing illegal aliens instead of handing them tax refund welfare will curb illegal immigration?
Further down the line, any distributor could sell a truckload to a blackmarketeer and make an untracked profit.
WRONG AGAIN! ANOTHER FALSE CLAIM AS IT IS RATED TO EQUAL THE TAXES IT IS REPLACING. IT CURES NOTHING!
No, the FairTax is not "rated" to replace the taxes it's eliminating. It was rated to do that in 1999 when income tax rates were much higher, before the Bush tax cuts and these last rounds of income tax cuts, which resulted in big deficits both times.
The FairTax rate hasn't changed, it's still 23% just as it was in 1999, the one year we almost balanced the budget, but it is not revenue neutral any more, it's much more revenue now, much, much more. See, you read something some Anti-FairTax fraud wrote a decade ago, but you don't know enough about the subject matter of taxation and economics to understand you're lost in the deep abyss of desperate ignorance of both taxation and economics as well as current events.
It's fascinating to watch and see, but it's sad also.Last edited by Judy; 06-18-2018 at 08:37 PM.
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06-18-2018, 08:25 PM #276
I don't know anything about Fair Tax and all this thread so I'm staying out of it.
Just trying to read and learn both sides.
I just hope whatever is passed is for the good of the American people and not foreigners!
I am sick of getting ripped off by the World and our own politiciansILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM
DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL
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06-18-2018, 08:40 PM #277
Then you will love the FairTax, Beezer, because among many other good things it does for our country, it taxes all imports sold in the US at 23% on top of any tariffs and forces illegal aliens in our country to pay a 23% FairTax on all new goods and services they purchase without offset, where Americans have the option for a Rebate that exempts necessities up to a certain amount. Plus it shuts down the ACLU, the SPLC, National Council of La Raza and every other 501C 3 "charity" fraud outfit, because under the FairTax, they're treated like every other business.
The FairTax is America First and Americans First.Last edited by Judy; 06-18-2018 at 08:43 PM.
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06-18-2018, 09:11 PM #278
Here is a full repot on THE UNDERGROUND ECONOMY
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JWK
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06-18-2018, 09:32 PM #279
1979 income tax evasion 40 years ago? Oh, so the "underground economy" is something that developed under the INCOME TAX.
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06-18-2018, 09:47 PM #280
You just can't admit something when your wrong or know nothing about.
See: How Big Is the Underground Economy in America?
2016
Despite the inherent difficulties involved in such measurement, economists have attempted to calculate the size of shadow economies. One such economist, Friedrich Schneider, estimated that the size of the U.S. underground economy (not including criminal activity such as drug dealing etc.) relative to GDP was 7.2% in 2007, which was below the OECD average of 13.9%.
A 23 percent tax would encourage the underground economy to expand dramatically.
JWK
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