Thread: FairTax and Trade

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, I did. I also graduated college.

That explains it. You have been fully indoctrinated!

Originally Posted by Judy

Just checked my emails and there was an alert from the FairTax organization about the FairTax and Trade written by the Chairman. Our thread has had so many views because of so many posts that I guess a FairTax supporter saw it and sent it in and the Chairman decided to write a article about it. His article is June 15 and I started our thread on June 9th!!

You just never know who is viewing our threads and posts!!

Well, at least someone agrees with you, I guess! Maybe John and I will change their minds!

Maybe, but I don't think so.

I've been thinking about the 1 year conversion time in the FairTax bill and how that hurts incumbents in the midterms. The FairTax has been set up to convert, 1 full calendar year following the year of passage which is for tax purposes 2 years. That was probably needed in 1999, because of the time to train and give companies time to adjust. But today with computers, there's no reason for that 2 year delay, so they should cut that down to 60 days so it implements more quickly after passage. That way incumbents who fought for the FairTax are in office when taxpayers start enjoying the FairTax.

You made a post the other day that I didn't address so I'll take the time to address it now:

jtdc wrote:

What a fantasy! So you believe that illegal aliens looking to make thousands of dollars per month won't come because they will have to pay $305 more per month than legal persons?

It's $305 if they have 1 child, it's only $226 a month per adult if they don't have any children.

You claim the Rebate is some Communist "redistribution" scheme to make Americans dependent on a welfare state they don't pay for, yet when it comes to excluding illegal aliens it's suddenly insignificant, so which is it? An insignificant simple means of excluding a ration of necessities from federal sales tax for citizens and legal residents which most Americans are used to under the income tax exclusions for the same purpose, or the Great Ball of Communist Fire you claim it is being pushed by college "indoctrinated" Republicans?

Link to Six Million Dollar Man's article about the death threats on US Ambassador to Canada over trade tariffs.

https://www.alipac.us/f19/trump-tari...0/#post1602504

The FairTax taxes all foreign imports sold in the US at the final point of sale at 23%.

Last year in 2017 we imported $2.9 trillion worth of goods and services virtually tariff and tax free.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade...ical/gands.pdf

$2.9 trillion x 23% = $667 billion in FairTaxes before offsets for products and services that end up in exports which are exempt from the FairTax. Probably 20 to 25% would be excluded due to export exemption, so approximately $440 to $460 billion of FairTaxes would be collected on imports that end up in the products and services sold in the United States at the final point of sale to consumers and funds both Social Security Administration (8.09%) and General Revenue Fund (14.91%).

The way to balance our trade deficits is with the FairTax because it does it in due course, automatically, without confrontation, without international disputes, without trade agreements, without trade wars over tariffs, without WTO lawsuits or threats of violence from Angry Unfair Traders, it just does it by function of domestic FairTax law and math.

People who don't understand this fabulous feature of the FairTax, don't understand the FairTax yet.

Originally Posted by Judy

It's $305 if they have 1 child, it's only $226 a month per adult if they don't have any children.

Insignificant difference.

Originally Posted by Judy

You claim the Rebate is some Communist "redistribution" scheme to make Americans dependent on a welfare state they don't pay for,

You have a definite reading problem! That was John, not me!

Originally Posted by Judy

Link to Six Million Dollar Man's article about the death threats on US Ambassador to Canada over trade tariffs.

Virtually nothing to do with the FairTax!

Originally Posted by Judy

The FairTax taxes all foreign imports sold in the US at the final point of sale at 23%.

Correct. But the FairTax, as you have claimed, does not do away with tariff or excise taxes. Therefore, it has nothing to do with foreign trade!

Originally Posted by Judy

The way to balance our trade deficits is with the FairTax

WRONG! IT IS CONGRESS BALANCING THE BUDGET!

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by johnwk

Talk about clarity, once again you make stuff up and misrepresent what I have posted and what the alleged fairtax does.

Contrary to you above assertion, that I’m calling “FairTax proponents socialists and progressives”, my words were more specific and directed at “Fifth Column socialist clowns who created the socialist friendly fairtax which offers free government cheese.”

Additionally, the alleged fairtax does not exempt the 23 percent sales tax on necessities of life as you falsely assert. The necessities of life are taxed just as other consumer articles are taxed under the alleged fairtax.

What the socialist friendly fairtax does is create a new socialist entitlement called the ”Family Consumption Allowance” LINK
“SEC. 301. Family consumption allowance.”

“Each qualified family shall be eligible to receive a sales tax rebate each month. The sales tax rebate shall be in an amount equal to the product of—
“(1) the rate of tax imposed by section 101, and
“(2) the monthly poverty level.”

As we can all see, the “family consumption allowance” is a monthly entitlement check sent to every qualified household which they may spend as they please. The monthly entitlement check’s alleged intention, as expressed at fairtax.org, is to prevent “an unfair burden on low-income-families” so they may purchase a rationed supply of “tax-free” purchases, presumably the necessities of life which will have a 23 percent tax added to their cost under the alleged fairtax.

Whether intentional or not, and I believe it is intentional, the family consumption allowance does make “low-income-families” dependent upon our federal government for monthly check to pay for a rationed supply of “tax-free” purchases which in turn encourages these families to vote for socialists who promise to increase the allowance.

We were warned against this very thing in the Federalist Papers? A POWER OVER A MAN's SUBSISTENCE AMOUNTS TO A POWER OVER HIS WILL ____ Hamilton, No. 79 Federalist Papers

In contrast to the alleged fairtax which does tax the necessities of life, our founder’s method to avoid oppressing the poor while taxing articles of consumption, was to exempt articles of necessity from taxation by a “judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions”. See FEDERALIST NO. 21

“There is no method of steering clear of this inconvenience, but by authorizing the national government to raise its own revenues in its own way. Imposts, excises, and, in general, all duties upon articles of consumption, may be compared to a fluid, which will, in time, find its level with the means of paying them. The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. If inequalities should arise in some States from duties on particular objects, these will, in all probability, be counter balanced by proportional inequalities in other States, from the duties on other objects. In the course of time and things, an equilibrium, as far as it is attainable in so complicated a subject, will be established everywhere. Or, if inequalities should still exist, they would neither be so great in their degree, so uniform in their operation, nor so odious in their appearance, as those which would necessarily spring from quotas, upon any scale that can possibly be devised.

It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four .'' If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.”


For confirmation on how our founders intended to tax consumption here is a link to our countries first revenue raising act An Act for laying a Duty on Goods, Wares and Merchandise imported into the United States. Note how each article is selected and a specific amount of tax is laid upon the article selected.

Now, Judy, instead of obfuscating, misdirecting and employing a number of stupid debating tricks, and rambling on and on as you did in your last post, how about discussing the obvious consequences attached to the “family consumption allowance”, which all thinking people would agree creates a dangerous voting block dependent upon government for a monthly subsistence check?
JWK

A nation of people made dependent upon government for their subsistence, is a nation doomed to being enslaved by the iron fist which feeds them.

Yes, that's right, so Americans can buy a ration of goods and services up to the poverty line tax free. That's exactly what the Rebate does,

I see you once again ignore the consequences of the alleged fairtax and how it creates a dependent voting block on government cheese with a vested interest in voting for socialists, communists and progressive who would promise to increase the family consumption free cheese allowance.


JWK




There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country.

Originally Posted by Judy

The FairTax taxes all foreign imports sold in the US at the final point of sale at 23%.

Last year in 2017 we imported $2.9 trillion worth of goods and services virtually tariff and tax free.

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When foreign products ought to be taxed at our water's edge with the purpose of raising a federal revenue and advancing the interests of the United States . Of course, our global governance crowd, which is firmly behind the alleged fairtax, cringe at the thought of America using her taxing powers to promote the general welfare of the United States and having foreigners filling our treasury at our water's edge and paying for the privilege of doing business on American soil. And that is one of the reasons why the ringleaders of the alleged fairtax hate with a passion the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment.


JWK

To support the "FairTax" (H.R. 25) is to support our Global Governance Crowd and their Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority, WTO, NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal ___ all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or ANY country.

Originally Posted by jtdc

Insignificant difference.

You have a definite reading problem! That was John, not me!

Yes, insignificant difference for most Americans, but a HUUUGE difference for most illegal aliens.

No, you "liked" everything Johnwk said about that and even used the word "redistribution" in your posts. You've nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

Just wait until I do the thread on FairTax and Illegal Immigration. It's coming soon!!

Originally Posted by Judy

Just wait until I do the thread on FairTax and Illegal Immigration. It's coming soon!!

Let's don't and say we did. Doesn't the unfair tax organization have a forum where a few like minded activist like you can spread the unfair tax propaganda among yourselves? I haven't seen any evidence to show you've found one single convert here. 24 pages and zilch for support. Perhaps you haven't figured out yet that folks aren't falling for the unfair tax fraud scheme. Why waste so much time on an obvious loser that hasn't even made it to second base in almost two decades? I really do hate to see someone torture themselves like this.