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06-11-2018, 06:07 PM #81
Yes. And that disproves your assertion that There are very few "embedded" federal taxes outside of federal income tax.: There are countless federal taxes embedded in every consumer article you purchase.
The quote was: “More than half the price of a loaf of bread is made up of 151 taxes that have accumulated between the wheat field and grocer’s shelf.” Are you really going to suggest a major number of those taxes are not federally imposed?
Aside from that, I see you are still unwilling to discuss the consequences connected to the alleged fairtax entitlement called “the family consumption allowance”.
Tell us, Judy, under the alleged fairtax and its family consumption entitlement, how many more “poor working people” would have a vested interest in voting for progressives, socialists and communists during election time who would promise to work to increase the family consumption entitlement? Is this not how Fifth Column members of Congress stay in power in our nation’s poorest voting districts ____ by offering their constituency free government cheese?
Tell us Judy, why are you so eager to create another entitlement, which would help our Fifth Column members in Congress to remain in power by promising our nation’s poor during each election time to alter the fairtax and enlarge the family consumption entitlement?
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If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon the federal government for its subsistence [the fairtax family consumption allowance check] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Fifth Column’s long term strategy ___ a plan to establish a federal plantation that confiscates and then redistributes the bread which labor, business and investors have worked to produce
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06-11-2018, 06:18 PM #82
If you like the FairTax as you now claim, then why don't you just say so, and suggest they delete the Rebate and lower the rate or dedicate the savings to paying down this awful national debt? I have no problem at all with either getting rid of the Rebate or keeping it. I'm good with the FairTax with the Rebate if they need it for some legal or constitutional reason to exempt "necessities" or having the Rebate that exempts "necessities". The income tax we have now does the same thing as the Standard Deduction and Personal Deduction and Dependent Deductions as the Rebate, so why you or John or anyone else have their ass in a curl over it, is beyond me, because it's completely silly.
No, the FairTax does not tax sales tax on these new goods and services. The FairTax is inclusive, it's in the price BEFORE state and local sales taxes are charged. Whether they charge their sales taxes on top of the FairTax, I doubt it, but that would be up to them.
Well not having been on them, your right , I don't know. But those programs are based on documented income. So you are saying they are strictly on their honor, which is why there is so much fraud. With what you say, I could be pulling down $100k per year, but if I show them a bank account with $100 per month income, I'm in!A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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06-11-2018, 06:21 PM #83
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Which are "Value Added Taxes"! They are all part of what makes that bread cost so much.
A head of lettuce sitting in a field costs nothing. Generally they grow naturally. But farmers buy the seeds, buy the water to help them grow, buy pesticides and fertilizes to help them grow, buy and maintain the tractors to plow the fields. And there are taxes included in all of those. Then they hire pickers to harvest the lettuce, a trucking company to take it to a warehouse, then more transportation to deliver it to the market. In my state lettuce is exempt from sales tax as a "necessity of life". But every step to get it there has taxes embedded in them.
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06-11-2018, 06:32 PM #84
Who, other than you, have I offended with my comments regarding the unfair tax? Geez, your position on many issues offend me, but I'm not going to threaten you over them. Right or wrong, you're entitled to your opinion.
I've yet to see anyone come to your defense on the "unfair tax" plan you keep hyping. So, please forgive me for not feeling the hate you say I'm getting because of my opposition to the a tax plan that would cause serious damage to the middle class! Personally, I think your just spinning your wheels here with constant advertising for a plan that will never receive the traction you would like. The plan has been around for almost two decades and has never been out of committee."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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06-11-2018, 06:36 PM #85"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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06-11-2018, 06:39 PM #86
No, there not countless federal taxes embedded in the price of your products when you pass the FairTax. The FairTax eliminates all the compounded supply chain federal income taxes, all of them. BOOM! Gone with the stroke of a pen.
But hey, this is getting old and boring. I'm happy with where we are right now. Haven't been this happy with what's going on our country in my lifetime, so I'm going to leave you with your Fifth Column (whatever in the hell it is), leave jtdc with his fears of inflation, and MW with his "tax fraud" and watch for news about the Trump Kim Jong Un Summit in Singapore.
In closing, Mr. President, the reason I opened this thread was for you to learn about how the FairTax impacts Trade. Please remember that all this friction, confrontation, bad blood with the Canadians and EU and Mexico, even China, could be much avoided by simply passing the FairTax, which guarantees the American People 23% federal taxation on every single item and service imported into the US and sold in our country to consumers at the final point of retail sale. No feuds, no fuss, no muss ... you just collect the FairTax revenue on all those imports that end up sold in our country, like tariff leaves on our money tree. No trade agreement is necessary, no WTO involved, no military security issue to prove. Just internal domestic taxation 100% under USA control.
I hope someone from the White House still reads our site.
Thank you!!
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06-11-2018, 06:49 PM #87
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I don't see that proposed. But as I have repeatedly said, I don't see that as The Solution. We could have a simple card sized tax form where you report how much you earned in the last year, then write a check to the Treasury for 20% of that amount. From that the government could determine if you need a rebate.
While a sales tax would reduce the number of people who get out of paying income taxes, you are left with no way of knowing who needs help in the form of a rebate. So that solution is to give everybody a rebate. But that tax burden means the tax rate must be higher.
Now in the old days families and churches helped neighbors. They could gauge who was deserving. But government took over that function, rightly or wrongly. Now we would be faced with yanking the rug out from under those needy who have become dependent on the government, much to the dismay of John.
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With the current Income Tax system, you can be given credit on some major purchases. FairTax won't do that. I'm not saying it is a good thing.
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06-11-2018, 06:59 PM #88
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Which Judy should we believe? When I confronted you about that before you said the FairTax does not affect business taxes, tariff, or excise taxes. Now you are claiming they will all be gone "with the stroke of a pen." I'm getting dizzy from all this spin!
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06-11-2018, 07:07 PM #89
What federal taxes besides the ones I've told you about are embedded in those prices? How much are they? What do they amount to? What is the cost? Based on everything I know, federal income taxes are the single largest source of revenue for the federal government. Outside of federal income taxes, there is about $60 billion a year in tariffs, imposts, duties and "others" which would be excise taxes like the gas tax and corporate privilege tax.
Over 90% of all federal revenue comes from income based taxes that are eliminated by the FairTax Act and replaced with the FairTax sales tax. Because that revenue is not paid at the retail consumption level, there is no compounding of tax or profit or mark-ups so all of that is eliminated from the price of products, including the enormous cost of income tax compliance which is also .... eliminated. Poof@ GONE!!
Link to Federal Sources of Revenue for the Severely Uninformed:
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06-11-2018, 07:17 PM #90
You're getting dizzy because you're in over your head. What is it about "federal income taxes" versus tariffs that you don't understand? Do you know the difference between federal income taxes and tariffs?
See this is what I actually said:
No, there not countless federal taxes embedded in the price of your products when you pass the FairTax. The FairTax eliminates all the compounded supply chain federal income taxes, all of them. BOOM! Gone with the stroke of a pen.
Are you not feeling well? Light=headed dizziness is a sign of some serious issues that often accompany all this confusion you've been suffering through what appears to be a taxing (challenging) thread for you and your feet you keep stumbling over.A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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