Thread: FairTax and Trade

If that were case, you wouldn't still be here posting comments.

If that were the case, we wouldn't still be here fighting illegal immigration.

If that were the case, Trump wouldn't be on his way home from Singapore with a plan for peace with North Korea.

If that were the case, slavery would still be legal in the United States.

If that were the case, Americans in 30 states wouldn't have elected Donald Trump, President of the United States.

What we have here is your failure to understand the strength, will and perseverance of the Silent Majority.

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were case, you wouldn't still be here posting comments.

You'd love your propaganda to go unchallenged!

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were the case, we wouldn't still be here fighting illegal immigration.

So your FairTax dream is now about illegal immigration?

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were the case, Trump wouldn't be on his way home from Singapore with a plan for peace with North Korea.

FairTax is about peace with North Korea?

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were the case, slavery would still be legal in the United States.

FairTax is an omnipresent god!

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were the case, Americans in 30 states wouldn't have elected Donald Trump, President of the United States.

I fail to see a connection.

Originally Posted by Judy

What we have here is your failure to understand the strength, will and perseverance of the Silent Majority.

So, after claiming the support of all here at ALIPAC, you expand that to all of the silent majority.

Stand back, she's about to blow!

Stand back, she's about to blow!

Mmmm, no, she's about to .... win.

Calm before the storm. Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Judy

Mmmm, no, she's about to .... win.

Calm before the storm. Stay tuned.

We have been tuned in for years, Judy, and you still, to this date, refuse to engage in a productive discussion about some of the particulars of H.R. 25 (the alleged fairtax):


how it creates a massive voting block dependent upon a monthly government check;


how it creates a massive redistribution of wealth;


how it fails to withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes;


how it creates two new taxes ___ a tax on articles of consumption and another tax on the sale of labor, while allowing Congress to continue to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits and gains;


how Mary and Joe Sixpack, when selling the property each has in their labor [an inalienable right of mankind], becomes a taxable event and must file sales tax returns twelve freaken times a year under a penalty of perjury;


and how it creates two new tax collecting agencies, while the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms will also be collecting taxes.


JWK


“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ ___Madison,during the creation of our Nation’s first revenue raising Act

Originally Posted by Judy

If that were case, you wouldn't still be here posting comments.

If that were the case, we wouldn't still be here fighting illegal immigration.

If that were the case, Trump wouldn't be on his way home from Singapore with a plan for peace with North Korea.

If that were the case, slavery would still be legal in the United States.

If that were the case, Americans in 30 states wouldn't have elected Donald Trump, President of the United States.

What we have here is your failure to understand the strength, will and perseverance of the Silent Majority.

Obfuscation ......... your favorite weapon.

Originally Posted by MW

Obfuscation ......... your favorite weapon.

Highly effective, too. Fight fire with fire. Don't show up at a gunfight with a knife.

Originally Posted by Judy

Highly effective, too. Fight fire with fire. Don't show up at a gunfight with a knife.

ob·fus·cate

(ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made ... to obscureor obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

Originally Posted by johnwk

We have been tuned in for years, Judy, and you still, to this date, refuse to engage in a productive discussion about some of the particulars of H.R. 25 (the alleged fairtax):


how it creates a massive voting block dependent upon a monthly government check;


how it creates a massive redistribution of wealth;


how it fails to withdraw Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes;


how it creates two new taxes ___ a tax on articles of consumption and another tax on the sale of labor, while allowing Congress to continue to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits and gains;


how Mary and Joe Sixpack, when selling the property each has in their labor [an inalienable right of mankind], becomes a taxable event and must file sales tax returns twelve freaken times a year under a penalty of perjury;


and how it creates two new tax collecting agencies, while the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms will also be collecting taxes.


JWK


“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”___ ___Madison,during the creation of our Nation’s first revenue raising Act

Now for you, Johnwk.

Why are you afraid of a voting block of citizens united against over-taxation by the federal government?

The "monthly government check" you're talking about is the FairTax Rebate that operates to exempt necessities up to a certain amount, called the household consumption allowance, which is x for an adult and y for a child, and is reserved for US citizens and legal residents, NO ILLEGAL ALIENS ALLOWED.

The greater the allowance, the more available for tax-free consumption by citizens and legal residents, the better for the citizen voters and the businesses with whom they trade, and the less for the government to squander in our names.

As I've said, I support the FairTax with or without the Rebate, but the Rebate is in the legislation for sound and valid purpose which serves our people and our businesses, not the government and not illegal aliens, so why are you afraid of the power of the people which the Rebate hands them to protect themselves from over-taxation and so opposed to this great tax plan because of it?

You're right, the FairTax does redistribute wealth, it distributes it right back to where it belongs, to the people who earned it. Why would you or any other American have a problem with that?!!!

The FairTax legislation is a new legislative tax plan, not a Constitutional Amendment. There will be a separate piece of legislation introduced to repeal the 16th Amendment when the FairTax legislation passes, but as you know or should know that decision to amend the Constitution is not up to Congress, it's up to States to ratify any Amendment proposed by Congress, so who knows what the States will do or when they will do it.

In the meantime, the FairTax repeals all exiting income based taxes and replaces the lost revenue with the FairTax. Nothing complicated about it, just the way it works under our beloved Constitution. So why do you oppose Congress getting rid of all income based taxes and replacing them with a national sales tax like the FairTax? That's a weird objection of your seems to me. Very odd, peculiar really.

As to the tax on labor, that's not a new tax, John. The federal income tax has been taxing labor since 1913 and taxed it again in 1933 with the Social Security Act. While the FairTax eliminates the 1913 and all subsequent related legislation that tax labor payrolls, profits, gains, gifts, dividends, interest, estates and income, it does not repeal the Social Security Act.

Instead the FairTax robustly funds the Social Security Trust Fund for our workers. So obviously, self-employed Joe and Mary Sixpacks will have to charge their retail customers the FairTax on their services and send the money in to fund the government like every other retail business and this is how their retirements and other government services and benefits they use are paid for. You're asking for a free ride, John. Most Joe and Mary Sixpacks I know aren't looking for, asking for or even want that. So you're in a lonely boat out there with a weird demand for special treatment, simply because you're self-employed.

Your choice to be self-employed is your choice. It's a choice you made to be your own boss, but with that means you're a business, not a laborer, you're the boss, you're in charge and that makes you responsible for that business.

As a business, you're required to collect the FairTax from your retail customers. If you serve other businesses, you're exempt on those transactions, but if you sell to the public, then you have to collect the FairTax from them, file a simple report once a month and send in the money you collected from them less the fee you're entitled to for providing this service, which is either $200 a report or 1/4 of 1% of the FairTax you collected, whichever is greater, but not to exceed 20% of the FairTax collected. I'll help you figure that out, if you aren't able to figure it out yourself. Once you do it a time or two, it's really super easy.

It's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper and in this case more profitable than filing withholding tax reports on your employees if you have any "every freakin' month", and self-employment tax payments every 3 months and a federal income tax return every year under the existing income tax system. If you're doing everything you're presently required to do and pay under the income tax system, you should be celebrating the FairTax instead of opposing it. So, you're position on this is well, quite odd, John, it really is.

Yes, because the FairTax eliminates the 100,000 employee IRS which presently terrorizes every person in America, there will be a new small sales tax bureau that manages collection of the FairTax from the states who opt to collect it and collect it direct from any state that opts out of collecting it.

Under the FairTax, because 46 states have sales taxes of their own, and already collect sales tax in some form, the FairTax wisely just pays the states who want to collect the FairTax at the same time a fee for doing so should they want to do it. If they don't, then the Feds will set up shop and do it for the states who opt out.

It pays pretty good, 1/4 of 1% of all FairTaxes collected the states can retain if they do the collection, so I think most states will sign up for it.

I guess the IRS also collected the Excise Tax and with the elimination of that agency, there is a separate Excise Tax Bureau set up to collect those taxes which are not repealed by the FairTax, only income-based taxes are repealed and replaced by the FairTax.

Originally Posted by MW

ob·fus·cate

(ŏb′fə-skāt′, ŏb-fŭs′kāt′)tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made ... to obscureor obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

Did you not know what the word you used meant? That's so sad.

Like I said, "fight fire with fire".

Next time, don't bring your butter knife to a gunfight with me.

Originally Posted by Judy

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Now for you, Johnwk.

Why are you afraid of a voting block of citizens united against over-taxation by the federal government?

But Judy, I explained the consequences of creating a massive voting block which is dependent upon government cheese. Why did you, as is usually the case, obfuscate, misdirect and intentionally avoid addressing the consequences of creating a massive voting block dependent upon government cheese?

Were we not warned in the Federalist Papers that?

A POWER OVER A MAN's SUBSISTENCE AMOUNTS TO A POWER OVER HIS WILL ____ Hamilton, No. 79 Federalist Papers

Why do you want to take a page out of the communists,socialists and progressive leadership’s play book which helps to keep them in power by offering government cheese which makes poor people dependent upon government for their subsistence, and encourages them to vote for those who promise to keep government’s free cheese wagon coming their way and also would promise to enlarge the ”family consumption allowance” if they are elected and/or re-elected?

JWK

If we can make the majority of America’s families dependent upon a federal government check, [the alleged fair tax’s family consumption entitlement] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ___Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation which confiscates and then redistributes the bread which America’s labor and businesses have produced.