Thread: Obama Born in Kenya? (New Information) [Update x2]

Originally Posted by Dixie

It's not the broken hip, it's because they become immobile and loose the ability to walk or take care of themselves. A broken hip caused my grandmother's health to decline and she never recovered.

Dixie

You're right Dixie, it's not the broken hip per se that is the inherent threat, but the variety of ailments which can come on as a result.....pnuemonia, circulatory problems, blood clots, bed sores which can, despite impeccable care and treatment, develop into life threatening staph infections such as MRSA.

But I am also wondering why Obama's grandmother would be at home and not in a hospital or care facility.

Originally Posted by azwreath

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Thanks, Cayla. Doesn't it make you wonder why Obama went into hiding today? Fox says he'll be incognito and granting no interviews.

Well hubby has a theory, I have just taken his word and not double checked his facts though.

I, like most of you, have graduated from the wonderfull US school system, therefore I am horrible in geography lol. according to my hubby, Indonesia is a short flight from Honolulu if things are really really bad for the messiah. Also, it is easier for Obama and his minions to protect the golden vaulted birth cert and all of its' secrets.

Your hubby has a point and I find it very interesting that Obama has been described as planning on going into hiding.

How does someone like Obama go into hiding when some "peon" celebrity cannot even accomplish that?

And how is he to visit his grandmother at home....where she is evidently confined......if he were in hiding?

There is a lot out of sync.

An afterthought here: Any word on the whereabouts of Obama's wife and children? Have they possibly left the country on a "vacation" or something?

The wife and kids are camping for him.

If they are seriously worried about her dying, and she is 85, and multiple natural causes are bearing down on her, the decision might have been made to keep her at home, give palliative care, and let nature take its course. That happens more and more nowadays. Not everything can be fixed. There are health workers who come into homes to assist with this if need be.

Originally Posted by BetsyRoss

If they are seriously worried about her dying, and she is 85, and multiple natural causes are bearing down on her, the decision might have been made to keep her at home, give palliative care, and let nature take its course. That happens more and more nowadays. Not everything can be fixed. There are health workers who come into homes to assist with this if need be.

Playing devils advocate here. IF she had fallen and broken her hip and IF all fatalities are complications caused from lack of movement, how would she have gotten so serious so fast? It has only been a few days.

I listened to Berg on Michael Savage last night. Very interesting show. Berg fills in for George Noory every once in awhile on Coast to Coast. For those of you not familiar with Berg, he is a conspiracy theorist that thinks Bush and co. were behind 9/11. If you guys like conspiracy theories, alien abduction stories, and things like that then go to http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/1773.html
Berg has always fought for what is right. Unfortunately nobody takes him seriously due to his far out theories. None of the major cases he has worked like this Obama citizenship case he has won. As much as I like Phillip, I think a more well known lawyer would be more damaging to Obama in this case.

I just read that they no longer think that the ruling will be handed down today.

http://www.americasright.com/

From what I read, she has been ailing and declining for some time. A broken hip often marks the beginning of the end for the ailing elderly. The entire dying process can often be predicted by experienced geriatric professionals. Perhaps Obama has been given such a prognosis. There may already be signs of organ failure, hypoxia, or other conditions.

Contrary to popular articles, the judge has NOT ruled yet. There are numerous conflicting stories out there, some in what would normally be considered a "good source", however, they are not accurate. I am hoping he rules the beginning of next week.[/b]

According to americasright, the judge threw this case out.

Saturday, October 25, 2008
Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed from Philadelphia Federal Court


The order and memorandum came down at approximately 6:15 p.m. on Friday. Philip Berg's lawsuit challenging Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president of the United States had been dismissed by the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick on grounds that the Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania lacked standing.

Surrick, it seemed, was not satisfied with the nature of evidence provided by Berg to support his allegations.


Various accounts, details and ambiguities from Obama’s childhood form the basis of Plaintiff’s allegation that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States. To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. These sources and others lead Plaintiff to conclude that Obama is either a citizen of his father’s native Kenya, by birth there or through operation of U.S. law; or that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia by relinquishing his prior citizenship (American or Kenyan) when he moved there with his mother in 1967. Either way, in Plaintiff’s opinion, Obama does not have the requisite qualifications for the Presidency that the Natural Born Citizen Clause mandates. The Amended Complaint alleges that Obama has actively covered up this information and that the other named Defendants are complicit in Obama’s cover-up.
A judge’s attitude toward the factual foundation of a plaintiff’s claims is an essential factor in understanding just who indeed has standing to sue. The question running to the heart of the standing doctrine is whether or not the plaintiff indeed has a personal stake in the outcome of the otherwise justiciable matter being adjudicated. As has been discussed before many times here at America’s Right, a plaintiff wishing to have standing to sue must show (1) a particularized injury-in-fact, (2) evidence showing that that the party being sued actually caused the plaintiff’s particularized injury-in-fact, and (3) that adjudication of the matter would actually provide redress.

In this case, Judge Surrick’s attitude toward the evidence presented by Berg to support his allegations figures in heavily because, while there is a three-pronged test to standing in itself, there is no definitive test by which the court can determine whether a certain harm is enough to satisfy the first element of that three-pronged test by showing true injury-in-fact. Traditionally, it hasn’t taken much to satisfy the need for an injury-in-fact, but as the plaintiff’s claimed injury is perceived as being more remote, more creative, or more speculative, the injury-in-fact requirement becomes more difficult to satisfy.

As it were, much of Berg’s basis for injury-in-fact could be considered threatened injury–he felt that the country was at risk for “voter disenfranchisementâ€

roger hedgecock said on his radio show on Friday, that obama leaves many questions to be answered in the fact that he said tuesday she was ill and he was flying over immeadiatly, then changed it to Friday. IF... IF she was so close to death, how come the wife and kids did not go to hawaii also?
how come, as roger reports, he only met with and stayed with her for OE HOUR and then left?