Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

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Freedomfirst,

Since I highly value your opinion, will you please share your take on the "no recourse" theory of even if he was found to be not eligible there is nothing any court in the land could do about it.

Originally Posted by thirdhand hearsay

A friend in so cal was just telling me she heard Roger Hedgecock say that the reason the courts are not hearing these [Obama eligibility] cases is that there is NO LAW giving any remedy if Obama is found not to be eligible. There is technically nothing they can do about it. It appears that the courts have decided it would be better to ignore it and have whispers on the net than to have a hearing, find he is not constitutionally eligible and have no legal course of action to address this matter.

To: roger@therogerhedgecockshow.com

Dear Mr. Hedgecock,

Please confirm, clarify, or refute the above.

Certainly a standing President is immune from prosecution. However, checks and balances were built into the U.S. government, such that the executive, legislative, and judicial branches are each empowered to correct each of the other branches of government for excesses, malfeasances, and neglect of duty. To wit, the Legislature can impeach the President or judges, the courts can revoke the acts of Congress and the President, and, as we now see, the President can do anything he pleases.

It is obvious to me that any court can disallow or nullify any election, for sufficient cause, to the extent that the election lies within the jurisdiction of the court. Mr. Obama was born in Kenya (as everyone in Kenya knows) to a father who was then a British protected citizen. He is not a natural born citizen, per ius soli and ius sanguinis. Sen. McCain was born in Colon Hospital, in Colon, Republic of Panama, not in the Panama Canal Zone, and not on the Coco Solo submarine base. He is not a natural born citizen, per ius soli. Therefore, the election was invalid because both major candidates were disqualified, neither being a natural born citizen.

It is also obvious to me that the U.S. Supreme Court can void the election for the entire nation. What is not obvious is why no court will take up the case, but Mr. Obama's sin will find him out, inexorably, regardless of his glib talk and any intimidation by the Chicago mob, the Nation of Is|am, the G-men, or the three law firms retained by Mr. Obama.

Chief C-Thru Muddywater says, "Kenyan brave has silver tongue mounted on feet of clay."

When the 2008 election is annulled, that will be prima facie evidence that Mr. Obama was never the President, except fraudulently. The Impostor-in-Chief will be thereby relieved of all authority. Therefore, impeachment will be neither necessary nor proper, because impeachment is for a standing President, not for a mere pretender.

Then Mr. Obama can be indicted and tried for fraud, impersonating an officer (the Commander-in-Chief), usurping and unlawful taking of public office, identity theft for fraudulently using numerous (over 100?) Social Security numbers, counterfeiting his Selective Service registration, counterfeiting a government document (Hawaii Certification of Live Birth), perjury for denying his multiple aliases (Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, etc.) to the Illinois bar, misrepresenting himself as a foreign student (Soetoro) to Occidental College, disbursing trillions of dollars of public funds under false pretenses, treason for giving aid and comfort to enemies of the United States who support Is|amist terrorism (for example, abjectly bowing to Saudi King Abdullah), and Grand Theft America.

Please encourage the patriots to carry on with supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, as they are sworn to do, and to get on with it and get busy!

Sincerely in Christ,

MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by cayla99

Freedomfirst,

Since I highly value your opinion, will you please share your take on the "no recourse" theory of even if he was found to be not eligible there is nothing any court in the land could do about it.

Well, it's a sure thing that the court (any court) can't call out the National Guard or the military to evict somebody from the White House since those are executive apparatus, subject to orders from Governors and POTUS.

But what a court could do is nullify an election as invalid (preferably citing to BOTH of the major party candidates as ineligible) and ordering proper authorities to hold a new one. Which would be so audacious that no judge would likely rule to do any such thing, especially at this late date. (Remember that Bush v. Gore had an election in flux to deal with, not an after the fact "result" of one.) Or a court could make a determination about the definition, find that the current POTUS doesn't meet it, and there would need to be a line-of-succession handling of the matter with Biden taking office.

The whole thing gets really hairy because of Congress' role in accepting, or challenging, the eligibility of the candidates for whom the electors cast their ballot. It's what kept the California court that issued a ruling last fall from taking any meaningful action, bowing to "Political Question" notions about the proper place and people for eligibility challenges.

We really needed one Representative and one Senator to step up and question things.

Latest from Hawaii Health Department


Honolulu Star-Bulletin

Born identity
Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations

By June Watanabe
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jun 06, 2009

E-mail: kokualine@starbulletin.com
Web: http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/ ... _line.html


Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."

"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

We found a discussion of "the truth about Obama's birth certificate" on the Web site FactCheck.org -- www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.

The organization describes itself as "a nonpartisan, nonprofit 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."

It says a "certification of live birth" is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.

Friday, June 5, 2009
Obama Indictment Filed In Texas Court

For those who said it couldn't be done:

From my April article: AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/ ... y-omg.html


"Even if an independently convened grand jury is mistakenly seen as merely people assembling to exercise their Constitutional right to “redress their grievances,â€

BORN IN THE USA?
Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii?

Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues

Posted: June 07, 2009
4:10 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website

WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a "natural born citizen" would not be accepted as a "birth certificate" even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state's current certification of live birth is recognized "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.

As WND has reported, certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.

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The Star Bulletin column goes on to report: "The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign website a fake."

However, Obama's "citizenship" was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a "natural corn citizen" – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.

The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the "long-form certificate" filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause.

Many of members of the public commenting on the Star Bulletin column raised similar questions:

"I'm fifty years old and I need to apply for a passport," wrote one. "So I scan some representation of COLB onto my Facebook page. If I take my laptop to the DMV, can I just open my laptop to show my web page to the clerk who will then verify my citizenship and issue me a legal passport? I'm sorry but some documents need a paper trail."

"To be president you need to be a 'natural born citizen,'" said another. "That means you are born in this country of 'parents that are citizens.' Note that both 'parent' and 'citizen' are plural. His father was a British subject and, yes, under the laws of both the United States and the UK at the time [when] he was born, Obama's citizenship was passed by descent of the father. These are the facts. We have laws and no one is above them."

"There seems to be a great deal of secrecy surrounding this whole situation," said another. "I've read that he has three legal teams keeping his info private. He has also had all his college records sealed. So this is transparency and change? Why all the mystery?"
Additional controversy over where Obama was born came when the woman the president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.

Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, launched a national billboard campaign last month in an effort to keep the issue before the American people. The billboards, being leased around the country, ask the simple question, "Where's the birth certificate?" Farah is asking the public to support his campaign with donations. So far, more than $75,000 has been collected.

Last week, CBS, the largest provider of outdoor advertising in the country, announced it would refuse requests for space for the campaign. But Farah says CBS' refusal to lease space for the campaign will not hinder it.

"There are plenty of other billboard companies willing and eager to take our money," said Farah. "The only obstacle to this campaign is raising the money necessary to make it truly a national phenomenon."

The billboard campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect the names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

The campaign got a boost last week when WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others – excluding CBS.

It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."

The first sign to be posted under the campaign, a digital, electronic one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La. – the result of a donation by the owner. In addition, based on the heavy volume of financial donations in the first days of the campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing three more standard billboards – one in Los Angeles, another in Orange County, Calif. and a third in Pennsylvania.

Birth certificate question being raised in Ball, La.

Many have asked why Obama's name is not included in the billboard. Farah said the matter was carefully considered.

"There are several reasons we chose the message: 'Where's the birth certificate?'" he explained. "There is only one birth certificate controversy in this country today – despite the near-total absence of this issue from coverage in the non-WND media. This is a grass-roots issue that resonates around the country, as our own online petition with nearly 400,000 signers suggests. In addition, I like the simplicity of the message. I like the fact that the message will cause some people to ask themselves or others about the meaning of the message. It will stir curiosity. It will create a buzz. I'm assuming when these billboards are springing up all over the country, it might even make some in the news media curious. And there's one more factor that persuaded me this was the way to go.

"Come 2012, campaign laws will pose restrictions on political advertising mentioning the names of presidential candidates. This one clearly doesn't. I would like to see the federal government make the case that this is somehow a political ad," he said. "Imagine the problems we'd have finding billboard space if Obama's image or name was part of the message. CBS is afraid of four innocent words – even though it is a purveyor of highly offensive four-letter words in its entertainment portfolio."

Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's background – especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land.

"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student records."

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Edwin Vieira has written a new article "VISIONS FROM A CRYSTAL BALL" found here: http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin195.htm

While directed toward Second Amendment issues, Vieira makes what appears to be an extremely valid argument that all appeals to SCOTUS may, in fact, be quite counter-productive.

I was wondering if Vieira's discussion isn't appropriate to the Obama legitimacy situation also, where we have collectively invested a lot of time and effort to have his eligibility clarified via SCOTUS, all with no results to date.

The following is an excerpt from Vieira's article. It might be worth your while to read the whole article on NewsWithViews.

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"Asking America’s Kangaroo Kourts for assistance in enforcing the Second Amendment is politically suicidal. Even a decision of the Supreme Court — which is the “Holy Grailâ€

This is a copy of my letter to Patrick Fitzgerald. As I mentioned previously, my text was influenced by what I had learned/observed from Leo Donofrio.

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Date: June 4, 2009

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald
US Dept of Justice, Office of Special Counsel
Bond Federal Building
1400 New York Avenue, NW, Ninth Floor
Washington D.C. 20530

Subject: Quo Warranto: Is Obama eligible to be POTUS?

Dear U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald:

I am sure you are well aware of the numerous law suits which challenged President Obama as to whether he was a natural born citizen of the United States. I write to convince you that having President Obama’s title to office cleared of all doubt is in the best interest of the nation at large and specifically the military chain of command.

Since you are identified as a U.S. Attorney who may institute a legal proceeding - upon their own motion - in quo warranto to investigate any United States public office holder’s qualifications if the office concerned is within the District of Columbia, I respectfully request that you bring such an action before the District Court for the District of Columbia as soon as possible.

As I’m certain you know, the Code provides - at 16-3544 - for a jury trial. I respectfully submit that this is the best possible way to settle the fact issue as to whether Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen, qualified to be President of the United States. As to the legal issue of whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen, even if born in Hawaii, and in consideration of his father’s UK citizenship, the Judicial branch has been charged with the power to interpret exactly what those words mean.

The most important aspect of current legal research, as it may affect your decision to act, comes from the seminal US Supreme Court decision that interpreted the District of Columbia quo warranto statute, Newman v. United States ex Rel. Frizzell, 238 U.S. 537 at 546 (1915) wherein the court stated:

“The District Code… permits those proceedings to be instituted by the Attorney General of the United States and by the attorney for the District of Columbia. By virtue of their position, they, at their discretion and acting under the sense of official responsibility, can institute such proceedings in any case they deem proper.â€

ALERT: web links incriminating Mr. Obama are being deleted under pressure, or just disappearing.

Save the linked articles and pictures in your articles to your own long-term storage media.