Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Stunningly, the fringe media continues to completely ignore this issue.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

It would seem from the article below there are many states tightening their eligibility rules for candidates as a result of the Obama eligibility questions (that's a good thing), and one way we can help, is to get involved in changing our own state's eligibility laws and support stronger, more restrictive candidate requirements within our own state.

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BORN IN THE USA?

Obama's eligibility becomes war among the states
Lawmakers jump into fray, seek answer to constitutional question
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Posted: January 19, 2010, 8:20 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122542

The demand for documentation of Barack Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is surging, with lawmakers in several states now working on legislation that could be used to require future presidential candidates to reveal precisely how they are qualified under the U.S. Constitution's demand for a "natural born citizen."

WND already has reported ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122432 ) on a bill co-sponsored by some three dozen lawmakers in Arizona who want to require candidates not only to submit the information, but state officials to independently verify the accuracy.

Bill sponsor Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, told WND she already has started getting questions from other states who want details about the proposal.

A separate proposal has been created by a freedom of information action group in New York State, and now the National Conference of State Legislatures, ( http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16588 ) which monitors and tabulates the work of legislative bodies, confirms through its database that several other plans are in the works.

Some of the proposals are very clear even without the full text. In New Hampshire, for example, a pending plan would require "certified copies of birth certificates for nominees for president and vice president."

Others are a little more oblique. In Georgia, for example, lawmakers propose a bill "relating to procedures for qualification of candidates generally, so as to require each candidate for public office to be in compliance with certain disclosure requirements."

There is no definitive word on what that would mean to presidential candidates.

An Indiana proposal is equally unclear, because it "authorizes a challenge to a candidate's eligibility to seek an office to be filed by a registered voter of the jurisdiction conducting the election." It could apply only to local elections.

In Virginia, a summary says the proposal "provides that candidates shall provide evidence of their qualifications for office to have their names printed on the ballot. The State Board of Elections shall provide a list of acceptable forms of evidence."

And in the New York state plan proposed by a freedom of information organization ( http://www.debrajmsmith.com/AFFOIsp5.html ) to state lawmakers would provide that "an individual seeking placement on the New York State's election ballot(s) for the office of president or vice president of the United States must present proof of eligibility, as per requirements that are stated in Article 2, section 1, paragraph 5 of the U.S. Constitution."

The proposals essentially are moving the same direction as a federal measure proposed by Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla. ( http://posey.house.gov/ )

Posey's H.R. 1503 states:

"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."

The bill also provides:

"Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years."

The sponsors' goal is for the bill to become effective for the 2012 presidential election. The legislation now is pending in a House committee and has more than a dozen co-sponsors.

But whatever support Posey's plan has, it faces massive obstacles in a House and Senate dominated by Democrats, as well as a president whose own status could be impacted by its requirements.

In Arizona, state Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the controversy over Obama and his birth certificate has raised questions.

"It just makes sense and will stop any controversy in the future to just show you are a natural born citizen," she told the Arizona Capitol Times.

If states start adopting such election requirements, their laws possibly could have an impact similar to federal legislation, since the information submitted to meet the requirements presumably would be public.

The issue with Obama's eligibility is that although a computer-generated image of a "certification of live birth" was posted online by his campaign, the image does not actually document a birthplace.

Hawaiian law at the time, for example, allowed family members to register a birth in Hawaii by submitting information to the state.

A second significant factor is the multitude of documents that Obama has kept from the public.

Besides his actual birth documentation, the documentation includes ( http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613 ) kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

Thirdly, another significant factor is the estimated $1.7 million Obama has spent on court cases specifically preventing any of the documentation of his life to be revealed to the public.

And as WND has reported, however, no controlling legal authority ever directly addressed the question of whether Obama met the U.S. Constitution's requirements to be president, that is being 35 years of age, a resident for at least 14 years and a "natural born citizen."

The Arizona proposal, H2442, also would require that the secretary of state in Arizona independently verify that the documents submitted are correct. Any failure could cause the candidate's name to be withheld from the ballot, officials said.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

[Political commentators predict that the 2010 elections will throw the bums out. They need to wake up to the reality of ACORN, registered phantom voters, the recounting of the Coleman-Franken race until the Senate supermajority was secured, registration of felons and illegal aliens, ACORN community organizing, massively discarded military absentee ballots, the registration in Nevada of the Dallas Cowboys football team, the White House power grab in commanding, controlling, performing, and counting the 2010 census, ACORN voter registration drives, lack of verification of voter rolls, thugs intimidating voters at voting places, black box voting machiines, and did I mention ACORN?

There has to be a reason that anti-America, anti-Christian, anti-Israel, and anti-law-and-order politicians in Washington are pushing and passing throughly unpopular socialist and communist legislation. with seemingly no fear of being recalled in November.]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/ ... sal_v.html

January 06, 2010
What the Dems Know: Universal Voter Registration
By James Simpson

Many are puzzled that Democrats persist in ramming unpopular and destructive legislation down our collective throats with no apparent concern for their plummeting poll numbers. A widespread belief is that the Democrats are committing political suicide and will be swept from one or both houses of Congress with unprecedented electoral losses next November. But since Democrat politicians rarely do things that will not ultimately benefit themselves, this column asked two weeks ago, "What do they know that we don't?"

We may have found out. It's called universal voter registration. The Wall Street Journal's John Fund described the Democrat plan recently at a David Horowitz Freedom Center forum. Watch the video here.

Fund describes the proposal as follows:

In January, Chuck Schumer and Barney Frank will propose universal voter registration. What is universal voter registration? It means all of the state laws on elections will be overridden by a federal mandate. The feds will tell the states: 'take everyone on every list of welfare that you have, take everyone on every list of unemployed you have, take everyone on every list of property owners, take everyone on every list of driver's license holders and register them to vote regardless of whether they want to be ...'

Fund anticipates that Congress will attempt to ram this legislation through, as with the health care bill. What a surprise! Fund covers the vote issue at greater length in his book, How the Obama Administration Threatens to Undermine Our Elections.

Leftist groups are already arguing that universal voter registration will solve all the problems with our voting system. But the left created most of these problems. The radical leftist Nation Magazine, for example, absolutely loves the idea of universal voter registration. This is the same magazine, however, that advanced Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven's Manufactured Crisis strategy. The Cloward/Piven strategy was designed to undermine government institutions by overwhelming them with impossible demands for services. Cloward and Piven focused on welfare, housing, and voting as the main targets of this strategy, and the radical group ACORN was specifically created for the purpose of executing it.

The Nation article enthusiastically lists Cloward/Piven-inspired organizations like Project Vote, the ACORN group where President Obama cut his teeth. It also discusses the left's efforts to push enforcement of the Motor Voter law and explains how universal voter registration could assist in these efforts. Cloward and Piven were the ones who crafted Motor Voter legislation in the early 1980s and pushed for its enactment until 1993, when President Clinton signed it into law.

Cloward and Piven considered Motor Voter to be their crowning, lifetime achievement. The picture at right, from White House photo archives, shows Cloward (light gray suit) and Piven (green coat and navy dress) standing directly behind Clinton at the Motor Voter signing ceremony.

The left has predictably launched vicious smear attacks against John Fund for bringing universal voter registration to our attention. A Google search of the issue brings up any number of nasty ad hominem attacks. Most notable is Media Matters, the leftist group whose sole purpose seems to be to smear Republicans and defend the left's indefensible policies. They put up this gem: "Right-Wing Ass Weasel John Fund Doesn't Like Universal Voter Registration because of ACORN."

The problems with universal voter registration are numerous and obvious. Many states' lists include vast numbers of illegals, including some states which allow illegals to obtain drivers licenses; because many homeowners have more than one home, there will be duplicates; because so many people are on so many separate federal and state government agency lists, there will be duplicates; and because so many lists exist with little or no cross-checking capability, all of these duplicates are likely to go uncorrected. Add to this the fact that Dems hope to extend voting rights to felons, and the whole thing begins to look like a nationwide Democrat voter registration drive facilitated by taxpayers.

Universal voter registration will create massive vulnerabilities to systemic voter fraud nationwide, and if Democrats have proven anything in recent years, it is that they can win elections that way. The George-Soros-funded Secretary of State project (SOS) was designed to take advantage of such vulnerabilities and may have been developed in anticipation of the universal voter registration plan. Al Franken's stolen election in Minnesota was a trial run for the SOS project. Longtime ACORN friend Mark Ritchie was elected Minnesota Secretary of State in 2006 with Soros's SOS and ACORN money, and what followed in Norm Coleman's Senate runoff election was a frightening demonstration of just how far Democrats will go to win. Franken won the runoff, and the Democrats got their filibuster-proof sixty-vote Senate majority.

The Motor Voter law was correctly identified as a facilitator of vote fraud. One of the few legal issues Barack Obama actually participated in as a lawyer was a 1995 suit against the State of Illinois, which he brought on behalf of ACORN. Then-Republican Governor Jim Edgars saw the newly passed Motor Voter act as creating the potential for massive vote fraud and refused to implement it. With the assistance of the Clinton Justice Department, Obama's legal team won that suit. Obama himself actually participated very little, a strategy that seems to have served him well in life. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, after identifying himself in court proceedings, Obama sat back and let "the heavy-hitters at the Justice Department make the arguments."

It is not surprising that the Democrats are now choosing to push this new initiative, for universal voter registration will be Motor Voter on turbochargers. And who better to sign it into law than the president from ACORN?

James Simpson authored the landmark article, "Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis."

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

[Political commentators predict that the 2010 elections will throw the bums out. They need to wake up to the reality of ACORN, registered phantom voters, the recounting of the Coleman-Franken race until the Senate supermajority was secured, registration of felons and illegal aliens, ACORN community organizing, massively discarded military absentee ballots, the registration in Nevada of the Dallas Cowboys football team, the White House power grab in commanding, controlling, performing, and counting the 2010 census, ACORN voter registration drives, lack of verification of voter rolls, thugs intimidating voters at voting places, black box voting machines, and did I mention ACORN?

There has to be a reason that anti-America, anti-Christian, anti-Israel, and anti-law-and-order politicians in Washington are pushing and passing thoroughly unpopular socialist and communist legislation. with seemingly no fear of being recalled in November.]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/ ... sal_v.html

January 06, 2010
What the Dems Know: Universal Voter Registration
By James Simpson

Many are puzzled that Democrats persist in ramming unpopular and destructive legislation down our collective throats with no apparent concern for their plummeting poll numbers. A widespread belief is that the Democrats are committing political suicide and will be swept from one or both houses of Congress with unprecedented electoral losses next November. But since Democrat politicians rarely do things that will not ultimately benefit themselves, this column asked two weeks ago, "What do they know that we don't?"

We may have found out. It's called universal voter registration. The Wall Street Journal's John Fund described the Democrat plan recently at a David Horowitz Freedom Center forum.

I had heard this earlier, and like all freedom loving Americans, don't want anything like this to happen on our soil - it is fundamentally illegal on so many fronts it is hard to count them all. John Fund is to be thanked for helping make this a national topic of discussion.

I have also heard that universal voter registration fraud is the progressive's last best hope at total control of the American people, and that they are just not backing down - it's all or nothing - a desperate final thrust.

Whichever reason, on the positive side of things, the American people appear to be awake at last, and the Democrats implementing such an onerous federal law will 1) either cause a national rebellion, or 2) cause a total disregard of all federal jurisdiction.

I have met a major element of the progressive enemy, and he is in our universities; he poses as our teachers. Fortunately, American youth, as naive as they appear, are also quietly forming their own opinions of what is being taught, and the percentage of dedicated communist thinkers (aside from the professors) that I see in my classes approaches only one out of forty. Because of my age and my experience base, I am often quite able to disarm the leftist agenda with minimum effort.

But I don't get into every class, and I can't meet and positively influence every student - it's a big job.

Maybe it is time for more of us 'oldsters' to go back to college and help stem the tide of university progressive and communist teaching agenda going on within the classes. Time to demand new instructors with American lawful teaching attitudes. Throw out the commies.

However we get involved, in the university, in our town politics, in the neighborhood chats we have, or all of it. we have to become actively involved. This is our future and our children's future that is at stake and we can't abandon this cause.

The Massachusetts voter usurpation of the Democrat agenda in the Scott Brown election on Tuesday was wonderful proof that we outnumber the enemies of our state, and that when we are motivated, we can win any battle waged against us. We have the right mix of background, philosophy, and experience to overwhelm the stupid basterds (movie pun).

We will win this battle for our future, but it will take time, and it will take personal sacrifice and much of our time and effort. The enemy within will not back down. And so, like our Founding Fathers, neither can we back down.

This is a battle for our America way of life, and we must win it.

Do we know this already?

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paularevere wrote:
The simple fact is Obama was born at Coast Provincial Hospital, Mombassa, Kenya.

Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled Fall 1960 at Univ of Hawaii, gets pregnant, then not enrolled Spring 1961. Why?

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (80 956-8010
****************************************


Her whereabouts are unaccounted for until August 1961 when she's at her old stomping grounds, Mercer Island, Washington State. that's right, unlike the popular story, Lil Barry grew up for one year there, while Obama Sr. was in Hawaii. Stanley Ann, then known as Ann Obama

Anna Obama phone listing, as listed in Seattle Reverse Directory,
"Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3346" at "516 Villa Ria Apartments"

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr13 ... ttleRe.jpg

Listing for Stanley Ann Obama appears in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library: "Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th Ave. E. apt. 2"

http://www.seattlechatclub.org/ObamaListSm.jpg

Mar 1962 -- Mary Toutonghi babysat Obama Jr at Ann Dunham (aka Anna Obama) apartment for two months (through May 1962) Obama baby sitter awaits new era — Soldotna woman eager for former charge’s reign:

http://redoubtreporter.blogspot.com/200 ... w-era.html

Ann went to the University of WA:


From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailtoubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration


Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961

Winter 1962

Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.


Madolyne Lawson

Office of Public Records

206-543-9180


Her U of WA transcript:

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr13 ... hlight.jpg

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Anyway, back to the story:

She's 18, impregnated by a foreign national of another race, how do you think the parent's felt?

How did Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. get married in Hawaii, when he was already married and would have broken bigamy law?

Here is a quote from a beltway D.C. lawyer/insider:

"They (Stanley Ann and Obama Sr.) went to Kenya between terms at U of Hawaii in late January of 1961 to get married. The did that because marriage in the US would have constituted the crime of Bigamy.
She became friends with his Kenya relatives and remained in Kenya after the marriage--she was estranged from her parents.
She came to term in late July and intended to board an airplane to return for the birth but was not permitted to board because of her condition. Kid drops in Coast Provincial General Hospital outside of Mombasa in Kenya (Ann went there because of the British doctors) early in the morning on August 4 Kenya time (as indicated by the fraudulent birth certificate posted earlier in the day today)--still August 3 on the West Coast of the US.
BOAC flight schedules in use in August of 1961 are posted in original copy on the Long Thread on this topic. Route back from Kenya at that time is out of Nariobi connecting through Glascow Scotland through Vancouver BC. She could well have been on board before August 4 started in the US.
Her friend Susan Blake's live testimony has been readily available on line for some time.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107889

Stanley Ann arrived in Seattle from Vancouver at a time before she had learned to changed diapers (which usually occurs within 48 hours in a normal birth setting). That puts her on Mercer Island on the 6th of August.
She then proceeds to Honolulu and she and her mother file some document with Hawaii Public Health.
Simple. That's the way it happened in fact."

In addition, Stanley Ann Dunham (with her rare first name) was remembered years later by witnesses seeing a distraught young woman denied boarding to the U.S. at a Kenyan airport because of her late term pregnancy July 1961. But raising such concerns abroad brings fatal consequences:

CARE Director and two US Aid Workers Killed in Nairobi
http://www.eagleworldnews.com/2007/01/3 ... n-nairobi/

Former Presbyterian Missionary, Daughter Killed in Kenya
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20 ... index.html

What are the odds individuals connected are killed the same day in random carjackings? To understand why they were targeted, one must read their histories...others lives are in danger.

Another interesting point, dear readers, there was a certain choir director at Reverand Wrights Church, with a certain sexual preference that made accusations about Barry who was found shot in the head one month earlier.

Such is the corruption of absolute power, and what we're dealing with.
1/20/2010 7:30:37 PM

Very good article... What has my curiosity is this: That is alot of Exspensive Education, Did Anns parents pay for all that schooling in Washington and Hawaii? Or did the same people who paid for Barrys education foot the bill?

Hawaii launches defense to Obama birth queries
Posts 'vital records' Web page saying responses 'not' required
Posted: January 24, 2010
7:25 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

It could be that the state of Hawaii is overwhelmed by – or is just annoyed at – the number of inquiries about the birth records of President Obama.

The state has launched a new web page with the information it wants the public to know about its Obama records, including the fact that state law does not "require agencies to respond to all questions asked of the agency."

After all, a new poll confirms just 51 percent of Americans believe Obama eligible for the office he now holds...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=122875
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No change in the existing policy - no worse, no better, no difference.

[size=117][a message to American Grand Jury]

The Congress, the courts, and the czars are rebelling against the authority of the Constitution. The gang of 1000 is breaking their oath to support and defend the Constitution, thus disempowering it. This totalitarian oligarchy annuls or reduces the authority of the Constitution, subjecting the nation to the capricious authority of the muzzle of a gun.

The military, sworn to defend and uphold the Constitution, is the only human institution with the power to repulse the Chicago Machine, rogue “law enforcement officers,â€

Especially if you add a few hundred thousand civilians to the mix of supporting them.

The only way I fear that Obama will be recognized as a fraud is through a popular revolt that the Democrats, and yes, the Republicans can't ignore. The GOVERNMENT is complicit in this coverup. Both parties. However, when the Democrats recognize the damage being done to their party they may very well throw Obama under the bus to save their own skins. I would love the military to step in but the powers that be would never allow it as it would put their agenda on display front and center.

More than one FOIA applicant to the Social Security Administration obtained the copy below, which is posted on the Orly Taitz, Esq., site. The printed form reads, "Revised 7 - 85" or perhaps "Revised 7 - 65", but the handwriting reads, "May 22, 1959".

The sun never sets on this corruption, and it runs deep. Makes you wonder how they missed his registration record at Fransiskus Assisi Primary School in Jakarta, Indonesia.