Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Mario's latest ad hits home.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32189761/Obam ... pg-5#about

Originally Posted by Bettybb

cayla99, MinutemanCDC_SC, PatriotofPast,

I must say I admire your zeal... but I remain firmly convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The so called "facts" are nothing more than anedotal stories. So several people do not remember Obama at Columbia? It proves zero. So Michelle referred to Kenya as Obama's home country. I would say that about Ireland, and I was born in Kentucky.

What does stand up is the fact that the State of Hawaii says he was born there.

What does stand up is the fact that his birth was annonced in two local papers. You cannot tell me that 50 years ago or so his mother decided to commit a fraud while in Kenya and declare he was born in Hawaii, and managed to do that from Kenya? That would be really, really tough to pull off in Africa in 1961. So I am rotflmao.

What does stand out is that the two court cases on the subject were tossed.

Are you seriously telling me that Hiliary, if she could have gotten Obama out of the race would not have done so? rothflmao.

What can I say. There were still people in the 1860's who swore the earth was flat. They only ceased and desisted with their view when the pictures from outer space came in.

Um Betty, I am married to an Irishman, may I give you a piece of advice? I would not claim Ireland to be my home country while standing in Ireland if I were not born and raised there if I were you. They are a gracious people as a whole, but, they draw the line when others claim what is not theirs to claim.

The problem I have with the where he was born issue is simply the fact that he is going to such great lengths to hide it....that leads a reasonable person to ask the question .........why?.

However, The primary issue is not citizenry for me, it is Natural born citizenship, which is a higher standard. Both the federalist and anti-federalist papers are perfectly clear on what it takes to be a natural born citizen...you must be born on US soil to US citizen parents (plural). My son was born in this country, but he is not a natural born citizen. On my side he has ancestors who traveled on the Mayflower, and fought on both sides of the revolutionary and civil wars. His father is an Irish, not a US citizen, therefore he is NOT natural born no matter how rich his maternal ancestry is. Congress just clarified this definition when they held hearings to determine whether or not McCain was a NBC. McCain was born to citizen parents, but his father was on an overseas military assignment in Panama and McCain was not born on US soil. They found a very gray military exception and determined he was NB. I disagree with their findings because HE WAS NOT BORN ON US SOIL.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

A third option stands a better chance of actually being done.[/size]

Deem centralized government, a.k.a. Washington, D.C., a cancer and extract it.

Yeah, I've been thinking we should move the nation's capital to Colorado, Oklahoma, or maybe Texas, and use Washington as the nation's museum.

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Obama was born in Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has confirmed it. The birth certificate has been produced. Two newspapers at the time of his birth announced it. You are not going to tell me those two inserts into 40 year old records newspapers were fabricated!

The real story is Bush's "missing" military records.


And what can I say, America is far, far better off, and far safer under Obama than we were under Bush.

Gosh Bettybb, uh, where to begin. You've landed in a hornets nest! It's apparent that you haven't followed or researched the thousands of pages of evidence, documents, court cases, etc. on this thread and other sites. Rather than attempt to educate you on this subject (there are many here MUCH more literate on this subject than me), I'll just provide one bit among many of factual, verifiable evidence. Obama's father was a British subject when Obama (Barry Soetoro) was born. This precluded him from being constitutionally qualified for the office of President. I can't blame you for your posting. It's a standard response from many of those out there who drank the kool-aid and voted for him.

If that is the case, file a court case! I believe that has been done and it was summarily thrown out.

Bettybb, believe it or not, I don't want to believe that our elected President
is constitutionally ineligible. I spent HOURS and HOURS studying the available evidence, reading the news articles, studying the BC issue, etc. trying to debunk the whole deal that Obama may not be eligible. I, and most others here are not prone to fall into conspiracy theories and I always question what I read. However, I have come to the conclusion that the evidence that Obama was illegally sworn into office is STUNNING and OVERWHELMING. The evidence is available for all to see. Obama by his OWN words admitted during his Senate days that he was ineligible for the office of POTUS. The newspaper posting is in this thread if you care to research. There are excerpts from Kenyan newspapers and others stating that Obama was Kenyan born. This isn't hearsay, this is fact. Yes, many people that voted for Obama and "Hope and Change" don't want to even consider the fact that their chosen candidate may be a usurper to the office. I didn't vote for him but like you, I understand how you might feel betrayed if you found out the truth. I urge you to just remember that we are all Americans and we should ALL believe in the rule of law. We should ALL want justice to be served no matter the bitter consequences. Without law we are nothing.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Highlander Juan,

I have never posted on the Daily Kos, or Huffington Post. I am a member of MoveOn. I am a Democrat who is against amnesty.

That does not give you the right to call me names.

OK. So your initial comments were on the knowledgeable and disingenuous side. I wasn't too far off course, was I.

For the record, I said:

1. Poppycock and balderdash! No name calling there. Poppycock (n. Senseless talk; nonsense) and Balderdash (n. Nonsense, stupid or illogical talk; senseless rubbish) are simply my message to you that the ideas seem to convey trivial nonsense.

2. That kind of thinking... No name calling there.

3. I can't believe that anyone alive... No name calling there, just my personal opinion.

It has been rumored that there are no more Democrats left; that every Democrat is now a socialist. Is that true?

Apology accepted.

None was given.

Sure it was... you deleted all the insults!

Texasborn,

Bettybb, believe it or not, I don't want to believe that our elected President
is constitutionally ineligible. I spent HOURS and HOURS studying the available evidence, reading the news articles, studying the BC issue, etc. trying to debunk the whole deal that Obama may not be eligible. I, and most others here are not prone to fall into conspiracy theories and I always question what I read. However, I have come to the conclusion that the evidence that Obama was illegally sworn into office is STUNNING and OVERWHELMING. The evidence is available for all to see. Obama by his OWN words admitted during his Senate days that he was ineligible for the office of POTUS. The newspaper posting is in this thread if you care to research. There are excerpts from Kenyan newspapers and others stating that Obama was Kenyan born. This isn't hearsay, this is fact. Yes, many people that voted for Obama and "Hope and Change" don't want to even consider the fact that their chosen candidate may be a usurper to the office. I didn't vote for him but like you, I understand how you might feel betrayed if you found out the truth. I urge you to just remember that we are all Americans and we should ALL believe in the rule of law. We should ALL want justice to be served no matter the bitter consequences. Without law we are nothing.

I undertand where you are coming from, but the fact remains, the State of Hawaii says he was born there, and there is no way I am going to believe that all the people in the country office that keeps those records are part of a conspiracy. Or that two Federal judges are part of the conspiracy.

Anyone can build a mountain out of a mole hill using anedocal evidence. So much of what I have read about this could easily have numerous other explanations rather than implication that Obama was not born here.

Nor can I believe that Hiliary, if there was anything, anything at all to this story, would have walked away from an opportunity to get Obama out of the race.

Nor can I believe that the two newspaper announcements in Hawaii in 1961 are fogeries.

I can also understand why Obama has closed the door on this discussion. He has produced his birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has said it is valid. No matter what he says, does, or produces, people will always find a flaw and a reason to continue with their theory.

But we will have to agree to disagree.

HighlanderJuan wrote,

Fortunately people like you are still in the minority (est 20% max) and don't represent the majority of law abiding Americans.

If you believe in America, her culture, and her laws, you will stop your foolishness and choose to work with those of us who are trying to stop the criminal activities being perpetrated on the American people by government employees and elected representatives.

Alternatively, if you are part of our problem, we will be coming after you too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ad1Mlkrkw

Your call.

The video was very well done, except for the message. I have a better memory than that. I know it was Bush et all that borrowed, and spent and gave away our economic weath as well as getting into two useless wars.

I must say I do not agree with everything Obama has done ( I am for a single payer health care plan), but he is far, far better than what we had uinder the Repubilcans.

I note that you did not respond to my question about our military which is a socialist organization. I presume that you are anti miliary, and anti police, and anti public schools and all the rest of our socialist organizations!

The funny part, is the Repubs are confusing socialism with communism.. two different things entirely.. but as Dems know, Repubs do seem to have trouble understanding basic ideas.

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Bettybb

cayla99, MinutemanCDC_SC, PatriotofPast,

I must say I admire your zeal... but I remain firmly convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The so called "facts" are nothing more than anedotal stories. So several people do not remember Obama at Columbia? It proves zero. So Michelle referred to Kenya as Obama's home country. I would say that about Ireland, and I was born in Kentucky.

What does stand up is the fact that the State of Hawaii says he was born there.

What does stand up is the fact that his birth was annonced in two local papers. You cannot tell me that 50 years ago or so his mother decided to commit a fraud while in Kenya and declare he was born in Hawaii, and managed to do that from Kenya? That would be really, really tough to pull off in Africa in 1961. So I am rotflmao.

What does stand out is that the two court cases on the subject were tossed.

Are you seriously telling me that Hiliary, if she could have gotten Obama out of the race would not have done so? rothflmao.

What can I say. There were still people in the 1860's who swore the earth was flat. They only ceased and desisted with their view when the pictures from outer space came in.

Um Betty, I am married to an Irishman, may I give you a piece of advice? I would not claim Ireland to be my home country while standing in Ireland if I were not born and raised there if I were you. They are a gracious people as a whole, but, they draw the line when others claim what is not theirs to claim.

The problem I have with the where he was born issue is simply the fact that he is going to such great lengths to hide it....that leads a reasonable person to ask the question .........why?.

However, The primary issue is not citizenry for me, it is Natural born citizenship, which is a higher standard. Both the federalist and anti-federalist papers are perfectly clear on what it takes to be a natural born citizen...you must be born on US soil to US citizen parents (plural). My son was born in this country, but he is not a natural born citizen. On my side he has ancestors who traveled on the Mayflower, and fought on both sides of the revolutionary and civil wars. His father is an Irish, not a US citizen, therefore he is NOT natural born no matter how rich his maternal ancestry is. Congress just clarified this definition when they held hearings to determine whether or not McCain was a NBC. McCain was born to citizen parents, but his father was on an overseas military assignment in Panama and McCain was not born on US soil. They found a very gray military exception and determined he was NB. I disagree with their findings because HE WAS NOT BORN ON US SOIL.

There are expressions we use all the time, and to say that because he used this expression, which could be subject to several different interpretations, is just stretching things in my opinion.

If you take the view that in order to fit the constitutional requirement you have to be born on US soil with both parents being US citizens, then Obama would not fit the bill. But if you want to test your interpretation of the US Constitution, you need to submit it to the court. That is not how our Constitution has been intrepeted in the past, so in order to make it the law of the land, the Supreme Court would have to rule in your favor.
Until they do, the current intepretation is in force, and the parents do not have to be citizens. So Obama is still a natural born citizen and is qualified to be President. You cannot get around the fact that the State of Hawaii has said that Obama was born there.

Atty. Orly Taitz's Quo Warranto filing is case 10-cv-151 at the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Search here for cases filed at Judge Royce Lamberth's court, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

I didn't find it with the above search. Is there another way to look it up?

Originally Posted by [url=http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1216821&page=2490

In the fourth post on this page at forums.hannity.com, bluecat1[/url]]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2737QUBxFY

Qaddafi in speech on June 11, 2008 makes it clear he considers Obama a Mus|im of Kenyan origins who went to school in a Mus|im school in Indonesia.

Starting at the 1:00 mark -

• "Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Mus|im, who has studied in an Is|amic school* in Indonesia. His name is Obama.
  
  "All the people in the Arab and Is|amic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contributions campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.
  
  "But we were taken by surprise when our African Kenyan Brother, who is an American national, made statements that shocked all his supporters in the Arab world."

. . . [Qaddafi] also clearly implies that campaign contributions were made by foreign entities. Is this not illegal?

* Qaddafi spoke incorrectly about "an Is|amic school."

Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Barack Obama II, attended Fransiskus Assisi elementary, a Roman Catholic school, for grades 1-3, and Mentang #1, an Indonesian government school, for grade 4. He took Is|amic studies each year, because his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was a Mus|im.

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Sure it was... you deleted all the insults!

You really are a twisted sister. I deleted nothing.