Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

I never liked the way we do presidential elections. I always liked the idea of it being 1 vote for 1 vote against per person. This gets screwed up majorly when people in one state who are out numbered in another lose their votes pretty much.

Just doesn't make sense how its currently done. As I see it it seems 65-70% of Americans want one thing done yet they get cut down by a flawed electoral vote as states can rig electoral vote elections through numerous means.

The Nebraska LB654, as generally presented by MinuteMan, is now posted on Scribd.com.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48662379/Nebr ... -Elections

This document is downloadable as text or as PDF document.

Originally Posted by natborncit

The memo at this web site
http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/CRS- ... -Questions

from the Congressional Research Service confirms that there is NO federal eligibility check for president (see paragraphs 2-4).

Originally Posted by For the Congressional Research Service, Atty. Jack Maskell

Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States Government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation.(2) Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that "vets" candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to election.(3)

The mechanics of elections of federal officials within the several states are administered under state law.(4) The quadrennial presidential election, although required since 1845 to be held on the same day in each state(5) is, in an administrative and operational sense, fifty-one separate elections in the states and the District of Columbia for presidential electors. States generally control, within the applicable constitutional parameters, the administrative issues, questions, and mechanisms of ballot placement and ballot access.(6)

State election officials under some state ballot laws might thus require candidate "statements" or "declarations" of candidacy attesting to and/or certifying certain facts as a condition to be on the ballot; in other states, representatives of the established political parties may certify names to the Secretary of State, or the designated elections official may place viable or "recognized" candidates on the presidential preference ballots.(7) In such cases, opposing political candidates or political parties may have "standing" to legally challenge the placement of a name of an opponent on the ballot,(8 ) or state law may specifically provide for a procedure for timely protests to be filed concerning the qualifications of candidates.(9) Additionally, the relevant election official in the state, such as the Secretary of State, may have authority to exercise discretion to challenge a self-certification or a certification by a political party of a candidate whom the election official believes is not eligible for the office. It would appear to be a matter of state law and interpretation as to whether election officials in a particular state have discretionary authority to question the certification of a party's nominated candidate, or even a self-certification of a candidate, if such election officials were presented with actual probative, documentary evidence to rebut any presumed or self-certified eligibility. In Keyes v. Bowen, the California Supreme Court dismissed a suit against the Secretary of State which challenged President Obama's eligibility and the California electoral votes for him, finding that: "Petitioners have not identified any authority requiring the Secretary of State to make an inquiry into or demand detailed proof of citizenship from Presidential candidates," and thus mandamus (a writ of mandate) was not granted.(10) However, although no "ministerial duty" or mandatory requirement exists to support a mandamus action, there may still exist discretionary authority in such elections official.(11)

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2 In addition to the "natural born Citizen" requirement for President, a United States Senator must be a "citizen" of the United States for nine years (Art. I, Sec. 3, cl. 3), and a United States Representative must be a "citizen" for seven years (Art. I, Sec. 2, cl. 2). No general requirement exists for candidates to the United States Senate or House of Representatives to produce an original, or a certified copy of a birth certificate.

3 The Federal Election Commission is authorized by law to administer and seek compliance with the campaign finance provisions of federal law for candidates to federal office, and to administer and seek compliance with the provisions for public financing of the nomination and election of candidates for President, but has no duties or responsibilities with respect to judging or verifying qualifications or eligibility of candidates to federal office. 2 U.S.C. § 437c.

4 Article II, Section 1, cl. 2, delegates authority to state legislatures to direct the manner of appointment of electors for President; and Article I, Section 4, cl. 1, delegates to the state legislatures the initial authority for the "Times, Places, and Manner" of elections to Congress, with residual authority in Congress to make such regulations.

5 5 Stat. 721, Ch. 1, January 23, 1845; see now 3 U.S.C. § 1.

6 Storer v. Brown, 415 U.S. 724 (1974); Jenness v. Fortson, 403 U.S. 431 (1971); Bullock v. Carter, 405 U.S. 134, 145 (1972); Lugin v. Panish, 415 U.S. 709, 719 (1974); Anderson v. Celebresze, 460 U.S. 780 (1983); Williams v. Tucker, 382 F. Supp. 381, 387-388 (M.D.Pa. 1974).

7 See, e.g., Senate Rules and Administration Committee, Nomination and Election of the President and Vice President of the United States, 2000, S. Doc. 106-16 (January 2000).

8 Texas Democratic Party v. Benkiser, 459 F.3d 582, 585-588 (5th Cir. 2006), Application for Stay to Supreme court, denied., No. 06-A-139 (2006), regarding ballot placement of a "substitute" opposition candidate under state law, and the constitutional "eligibility" of the original candidate; see also Fulani v. Hogsett, 917 F.2d 1028, 1030 (7th Cir. 1990), finding standing of opposition party to challenge ballot placement of opposing candidates; Schulz v. Williams, 44 F.3d 48, 52-53 (2d Cir. 1994) (discussion of "competitors' standing" in a political context).

9 Note, e.g., Ohio Revised Code, § 3513.05 (formerly Ohio Gen. Code § 4785-70), and McGowan v. Board of Elections, 105 N.E.2d 639 (Ohio 1952), appeal of voter protest of citizenship qualification in statement of candidacy of a federal candidate.

10 Keyes v. Bowen, Case No. 34-2008-80000096-CU-WM-GDS, Slip op. at 2 (Sup. Ct. Cal, March 13, 2009). Emphasis added.

11 See, for example, unreported case of Cleaver v. Jordan, Case no. 7838 (Calif. Supreme Court minutes, Sep. 26, 196 cert. denied, 393 U.S. 810 (196, where California court reportedly upheld discretionary authority of Secretary of State not to list ineligible candidate for President on the ballot; and Jenness v. Brown, also unreported, case no. civil 72-204 (S.D. Ohio Sep. 27, 1972), concerning ballot placement of an ineligible candidate in Ohio.

Originally Posted by natborncit

Legislation is necessary because each state legislature decides how to select its Presidential Electors. Currently all states choose to do it by a popular vote. (All states except Nebraska and Maine give the winner of the statewide popular vote all its electoral votes. Nebraska and Maine allocate a portion of their electoral votes according to the popular vote by congressional district.)

Since the voting for President is actually 50 separate state elections (all held on the same day), it is up to each state to administer its presidential election under its state election laws.

The memo at this web site
http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/CRS- ... -Questions

from the Congressional Research Service confirms that there is NO federal eligibility check for president (see paragraphs 2-4).

Nebraska's proposed legislation would also make it a felony for a Presidential Elector from the state to vote for a candidate who is not certified by the Secretary of State as eligible.

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Two states are considering bills that contain additional eligibility requirements that trump a long-form birth certificate

February 13, 2011

The Birther Card

By Cindy Simpson
45 Comments

Hawaii's new governor, Neil Abercrombie, stirred the "birther" pot just before Christmas when he promised to launch an expedition for Obama's long form birth certificate. Chris Matthews reported on the Abercrombie quest, and though calling himself an "enemy of the birthers," surprised us by acknowledging that the advertised short form is indeed a different document than an actual long form certificate and that it should be released. Matthews' guests on the segment agreed, noting once it was out they could "make even more fun of the birthers."

But less than a month later, when it was Abercrombie's turn to produce the long form, he turned up empty-handed, and instead offered some ambiguous lines about something "written down" that "actually exists."

Enter a new player to the game: journalist friend of Abercrombie, Mike Evans, on the radio a few days later touting "There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii -- absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii." Evans backtracked after the story went national, saying he "misspoke" and had not conversed personally with Abercrombie, and that this error occurred in only one of the 34 interviews he had done that morning. Further research, however, found that Evans repeated his misstatement more than once and "appeared to be reading from a script and ad-libbing around it as he read."

In the American Thinker article, "The Birther Trial Balloon," it was speculated that perhaps this entire performance was a sort of media test run to see how the public would react to the non-release of the certificate in advance of Obama's run for 2012 reelection. Writer Andrew Walden, in the AT article, "Hawaii's Governor Manipulates Birthers," concluded that the spectacle was indeed a production, choreographed however for a different result: "to shift political discussion away from the thumping Obama took in the November midterms" by further ridiculing "birtherism."

Really, though, the debacle did seem more like an episode of The Three Stooges, especially with the timing of one little tidbit reported by CBS News a couple of days later -- that Abercrombie's new Health Director (responsible for the state's vital records) "abruptly quit." So, until that position is filled, the buck of maintaining Obama's birth certificate has stopped at Abercrombie's desk. (We can only speculate why, if the former Governor Linda Lingle asked the previous Health Director, Chiyome Fukino, to "go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health," couldn't Abercrombie authorize himself to do likewise.)

At any rate, it appeared the chips were down for the "birther enemies," so when it was back around the table last week for Chris Matthews' turn, he admitted that Obama has the "new kind" of birth certificate "which is this digital thing printed out" and apparently no long form. (Leaving the rest of us to wonder exactly what this newfangled one was the short version of.) And anyway, according to Matthews, people only ask to see the old-fashioned kind and put Obama under "this kind of assault" because...

Obama has a funny name, and he is black.

Matthews resorted to playing the trump from his standard liberal repertoire -- the race card, and swooped up all the chips while implying that the birthers aren't playing with a full deck and all their fuss is a bunch of "malarkey."

But Matthews isn't the only pundit playing this type of game -- conservative talkers have politely turned a blind eye to the birther story, and instead of dealing us any real investigating or reporting, play silently along and slap the hands of the birthers clamoring for a spot at the table. Birthers, unperturbed with all the eye-rolling and name-calling, stubbornly continue to interrupt the game anyway, and are not, as Matthews lamented, "shamed into non-existence."

Conservative politicians have all been good sports, too, beginning with John McCain, who produced his long-form certificate back in the 2008 race. McCain was deemed qualified as a "natural born citizen" by Senate Resolution 511 (co-sponsored by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama), but then meekly folded without a call for Obama to reciprocate.

In his article, "Obama's Republican Guard," Jack Cashill opines that the lack of Republican political response on the birther controversy is due to a conservative media "gone soft," who "instead content themselves with commenting on the news that the mainstream media create."

Cashill didn't allude to racist accusations as a cause for the conservative avoidance of the "birther" issue, but the results of a quick Google search using the terms "birther" with "racism" reveal that the race card is indeed a large part of the story. The mainstream media leads with that card often, and conservatives' failure to call them out on it comes off as complicity in a game of political correctness, and weakness instead of colorblind sportsmanship. Americans are then unfairly dealt a censored reporting of a serious constitutional issue.

John Boehner, when pressed on the eligibility issue said: "The state of Hawaii has said that President Obama was born there. That's good enough for me." That's not good enough, though, for a growing swath of the population, unwilling to give these leaders the excuse of a media gone soft, whatever the motivation of that softness. According to World Net Daily, "10 of the United States -- controlling 107 Electoral College votes -- are now considering some type of legislation" that requires presidential candidates to provide proof of constitutional eligibility.

Two of the states' proposed bills contain additional eligibility requirements that trump a long-form birth certificate, even a pricey $100 souvenir version crafted by Hawaii lawmakers. The Arizona bill requires: "A sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America." The Nebraska bill further requires that the candidate attest to three conditions on the day of his birth: he was subject only to the jurisdiction of the U.S., owed allegiance to no other country, and that both his mother and father were U.S. citizens.

Dual citizenship, a divided allegiance that experts contend the Constitution's framers sought to avoid for the Presidency, is a status created when the country of a child's birth (documented by a birth certificate) and the country of citizenship of the parents are in conflict. Obviously the Arizona and Nebraska legislators concerned themselves with crafting laws supporting the Constitution's finer points of eligibility rather than the sensational search for the missing long form.

Unless Obama pulls out a certificate listing a birth father other than the one Abercrombie remembers seeing him with as a child, or reneges on the assertion on his "Fight the Smears" campaign website that he had, until age 23, foreign citizenship from his Kenyan father, he won't qualify for the ballots in these two states.

So far, the media has focused only on the requirement for the long form and fretted over its assorted details, but once they catch on to these other provisions, the ensuing stir will no doubt require a play of both the racist and xenophobia cards, just as we've seen in the recent immigration reform debate.

Voters are successfully getting the message to their state legislatures: They need more information to "come to the conclusion of [Obama's] citizenship" than just seeing or hearing the President (Wouldn't we love to ask Robert Gibbs exactly what he meant by "seeing.").

As we near the 2012 elections, the powerful in conservative circles must acknowledge the birther controversy if for no other reason than the political risk of alienating this substantial percentage of voters with doubts as to Obama's constitutional eligibility.

In the American Thinker article, "The Race Game and Obama's Campaign for 2012," Jack Kerwick noted that "race promises to play at least as large a role in the next election as it played in the last presidential race. Rest assured: it is on this that Barack Obama and his cronies are counting." Kerwick rightly concludes: "If the GOP wants to prevail in the election of 2012, it is imperative that they muster the will to reckon with its racial subtext."

The GOP must also muster the will to reckon with the mainstream media. Instead of constantly playing defense by allowing liberals to initiate and control the conversation, Republicans must begin to lead a rational discourse. They do not need to follow suit when the media or Obama and his team attempt to link questions of constitutionality with lack of civility or racism.

Conservatives cannot continue to sidestep the role of race in both its response to the eligibility dilemma and in the upcoming elections. Liberals have shown they aren't reluctant to play the race card in any game.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/ ... _card.html

many links on this post

An interesting side of Barack Obama we may have missed before.

From this site: http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/show ... had-to-Die

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Note from Rayelan:

Sherman Skolnick and I had been friends since the 80s. He was a friend of my friend, Mae Brussell the reigning Queen of conspiracy.

I always had a strange feeling about Sherman dying shortly before Barack Obama announced his run for President. I KNEW that Sherman HAD to have known something about this man... and his untimely death prevented him from telling HIS side of the story while Barack was running for President.

I know that Sherman's relatives took all of his research and tossed it into a dumpster. Sadly, that's what usually happens to the work of researchers like Sherman.

Even though I googled the names Skolnick and Obama many times, I never saw this article. A friend just sent it to me.

Raye,

Maybe this info was posted already.

This was the first time I remember hearing it.

Before the 2004 election, Skolnick says he outed BO was a British agent/asset... Skolnick died about 11 months before BO announced his presidential run.

See:
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20...RETS%20TWO.htm

CLOAK'S EXCLUSIVE AUGUST 2005 STORY
EXPOSING OBAMA's KENYAN BIRTHPLACE
FORCES OBAMA TO SANITIZE HIS PASSPORT FILE

Insiders Report It Was Accomplished With The Assistance of the Clinton Mob

CLOAK EXCLUSIVE!
Filed 8/28/05

BRITISH SPY FINGERED:
ACCUSATIONS CONFIRMED!
BY
SHERMAN SKOLNICK

CLOAK Co-host Sherman Skolnick prior to the 2004 Election fingered Barack Obama running in Illinois for the U.S. Senate as a British Intel agent born in Kenya. Skolnick, as a co-spy watcher unmasked Obama on his regular CLOAK program, Shop Talk From Plot H.Q.

Today Russian President V. Putin ordered U.S. Senator Barack Obama who is also tight with MOSSAD, to be held in custody under suspicion of being a British operative illegally spying in Russia at off-limits secret facilities.

Spying with Obama, who was locked up, was U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, pro-Bush, was detained by Putin but unlike Obama, quickly released.



Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar and Committee member Barack Obama at a base near Perm, Russia. This is where mobile launch missiles are being destroyed by the Nunn-Lugar program.

Lugar delegation detained for three hours in Perm after inspecting nuke weapons facility. US Senator Richard Lugar, who was briefly detained with a US delegation in Perm, Siberia, after inspecting the site, which is being dismantled with US funding.

Nils BÃ¥hmer/Bellona

A US delegation headed by Republican Senator Richard Lugar, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was detained Sunday for three hours at an airport in the Siberian city of Perm, Russia before being allowed to leave the country for Ukraine in a diplomatically chaotic incident Sunday. Charles Digges, 29/08-2005

US officials were nonetheless anxious to downplay the incident in an apparent effort to avoid diplomatic fallout with the increasingly hard-line regime of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has publicly expressed dismay over a number of US-Russian disarmament programmes.

(Note from Rayelan:

Make sure you copy these articles and post them all over the internet... because info like this can quickly be scrubbed.)

Full Article at:

http://www.bellona.no/bellona.org/en...peration/39511

LUGAR, OBAMA DETAINED IN RUSSIA DELEGATION RELEASED AFTER STANDOFF RESOLVED

A U.S. delegation headed by Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was detained Sunday for three hours at an airport in Russia before being allowed to leave the country for Ukraine.

Russian border guards at the airport in the Siberian city of Perm demanded to search the U.S. government aircraft carrying the delegation, which also included Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., who was making his first foreign trip since becoming a senator. Obama is also a member of the Foreign Relations Committee.

American officials, citing a U.S.-Russian agreement that does not allow such inspections, refused to allow the search, leading to a three-hour standoff at the airport, ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-14177951.html

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Here are the two broken links in the previous post, corrected.

Originally Posted by [url=http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?11330-Why-Sherman-Skolnick-had-to-Die

Rayelan[/url]]Before the 2004 election, Skolnick says he outed BO was a British agent/asset... Skolnick died about 11 months before BO announced his presidential run.

See:
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20pag ... %20TWO.htm or

http://www.lennybloom.net/home%20page%2 ... %20TWO.htm

[Each link returns a 404 Not Found, as do extensive searches for "CLOAK STATE SECRETS TWO".]

CLOAK'S EXCLUSIVE AUGUST 2005 STORY
EXPOSING OBAMA's KENYAN BIRTHPLACE
FORCES OBAMA TO SANITIZE HIS PASSPORT FILE
__________________________________________________ __________

http://www.bellona.no/bellona.org/engli ... tion/39511

LUGAR, OBAMA DETAINED IN RUSSIA DELEGATION RELEASED AFTER STANDOFF RESOLVED

[This article makes no mention of Kenya.]

Here are some threads very much worth reading. They discuss some angles we haven't mentioned.

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/20 ... ou-to-see/

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/20 ... n-summary/

http://jbjd.org/2009/10/10/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/

http://jbjd.org/2010/01/06/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/ ... -his-name/

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01 ... tisan.html

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=12495

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=12495

INTEGRITY OR A MISSING BIRTH CERTIFICATE

By Frosty Wooldridge
February 14, 2011
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty636.htm

For the past week, Denver, Colorado radio talk show host Peter Boyles, and his crack producer Greg Hollenback, www.khow.com , interviewed top journalists and historians on the ramifications of Barack Obama investing $2.5 million to conceal his long-form birth certificate and other records.

A 'long-form birth certificate' constitutes the only valid form of an American's birth and foundation for citizenship. Yet, Obama and his cadre of lawyers will not allow it to be presented in order to silence all Americans concerned about his qualifications to remain president of the United States. Additionally, his lawyers conceal his high school, college, social security and draft registration records. Anything else?

Additionally, Boyles discovered that Obama's mother never married his father and never lived with him contrary to his books, Dreams From My Father and Audacity of Hope. Obama congers a story proven to be fictitious by historians on Boyles' show. Nonetheless, true to form, your Main Stream Media will not touch the issue. In fact, squashes it at every juncture!

If any president will not willingly offer proof of U.S. citizenship, what does this convey about withholding truth. If authorities ask for your birth certificate to run for any political office, will you produce it?

Congratulations! You're an American and proud of it! You validate the U.S. Constitution that allows all citizens the 'right' to run for public office and serve our nation. We call this rule-of-law, which maintains the bedrock of our civilization.

Does citizenship as a president matter to you? Who was Obama as Barry Soetoro from Indonesia? What solid aspects of citizenship does he lack from not being an All-American boy? Does he maintain his Islamic upbringing that may concern us? U.S. citizens may want to know!

Today, Arizona and Connecticut along with an increasing number of states introduce bills that expect anyone running for president of the United States to prove their citizenship by producing their long-form birth certificate, e.g., states' rights in action!

Does citizenship matter to receive U.S. social services? Today, in excess of 20 million people violate U.S. entry laws with impunity—displacing $346 billion in taxpayer funded services from your pocket. (Source: www.TheSocialContract.com )

Does the current U.S. paradigm of corruption and subversion reflect us as citizens? If that path continues, what effect will we reap? Planetary examples: Egypt riots started over food, corruption and jobs. Tunisia riots started over food, corruption and jobs!

What correlation do you see in these issues?

Americans enjoy responsibility to choose. We stand at choice-point daily. When we neglect our responsibilities, we receive the consequences from cause and effect.

Via the U.S. Constitution, we benefit from states' rights powers, which means we can neutralize the lack of integrity of Obama and Congress. No small matter!

Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce, attorney Chris Kobach, Oklahoma House member Randy Terrill, Virginia's Roy Beck, Washington's Dan Stein, Arizona Governor Janet Brewer, Maine Governor Paul LePage, New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez—all proactively choose effective enforcement of our laws.

Admittedly, our federal government attempts to squelch American patriots at every turn—but Obama and Congress cannot continue as U..S. citizen numbers proliferate. Their passionate actions provide hope for the future. Roy Beck's 1.2 million citizen army, bi-partisan, at www.NumbersUSA.org expands in muscle and influence that benefits citizens and future generations.

Without action, we as individuals and a nation continue tolerating corruption at our growing peril. The natural effect of our collective choices—or lack thereof —produced the results we face today, i.e, we failed to vote for candidates with integrity that would have represented our nation and laws. Collective abdication won't cut it much longer!

Instead, Congress remains as corrupt and disingenuous as many of the governments falling around the world.

Once we citizens demand that Obama and Congress enforce our laws, or we replace them with candidates that will—the sooner we prove our creative abilities to maintain our civilization. In essence, each of us becomes the United States Constitution.

In order to win, show up! Remind yourself of your power in this Republic. Strength to your sword arm!

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[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]Here are the two broken links in the previous post, corrected.

Originally Posted by [url=http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?11330-Why-Sherman-Skolnick-had-to-Die]Rayelan[/url]":14ulexpo][size=7]Before the 2004 election, Skolnick says he outed BO was a British agent/asset... Skolnick died about 11 months before BO announced his presidential run.

See:
[url="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20page%20items/CLOAK%20STATE%20SECRETS%20TWO.htm

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/home%20pag ... %20TWO.htm[/url] or

http://www.lennybloom.net/home%20page%2 ... %20TWO.htm

[Each link returns a 404 Not Found, as do extensive searches for "CLOAK STATE SECRETS TWO".]

CLOAK'S EXCLUSIVE AUGUST 2005 STORY
EXPOSING OBAMA's KENYAN BIRTHPLACE
FORCES OBAMA TO SANITIZE HIS PASSPORT FILE
__________________________________________________ __________

http://www.bellona.no/bellona.org/engli ... tion/39511

LUGAR, OBAMA DETAINED IN RUSSIA DELEGATION RELEASED AFTER STANDOFF RESOLVED

[This article makes no mention of Kenya.][/size]

Here are some threads very much worth reading. They discuss some angles we haven't mentioned.

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/20 ... ou-to-see/

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/20 ... n-summary/

http://jbjd.org/2009/10/10/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/

http://jbjd.org/2010/01/06/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/ ... -his-name/

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01 ... tisan.html

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=12495

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=12495 [/quote:14ulexpo]

Thanks, MinuteMan, I didn't have time or energy to track down the accurate links, and it is good that you have done so. The Kenya connection was, I believe, from the earlier Sherman Skolnick article which I have also not tracked down.

I posted this article because 1) I had not heard of Sherman Skolnick or Mae Brussell before, but they both seem like very interesting folks to investigate, and 2) I thought the death of Skolnick just prior to Obama's election as senator was interesting as well.

We may find that, like Clinton, there will be many mysterious murders in Obama's past. It is clear the ruling elite will readily kill or otherwise remove from circulation anyone who threatens their control of the country.

I am beginning to think we may need our own secret army just to remove the killers from the power elite's private army that goes around killing whistle blowers and others who threaten exposing the truth to the people.

All of this may explain why there are not more whistle blowers - every one is attacked, and often killed, by the power elite. And this happens in America.

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