Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

The people in this string are as sharp as anyone in Alipack and as sharp as any one I have chatted with on the net. I miss Hylander_1314 but he had to take a break from all this.

We all have found and posted fantastic information here and else where attempting to point out and validate the usurpation's questioning "how can congress and POTUS act as if there is no Constitution at all?" I won't post a long point here because I have before but I know things like this take time to sink in...well at least for me. Thanks to Bruce Ray I finally get it.

There is no Congress...there is no Constitution in power and every thing the POTUS does now is under the protection of the "State of Emergency" act and laws and this has been since 1933. He is an "Executive order" dictator supreme and there for has done nothing illegitimate.

I know how hard this is to stomach. But this is the bottom root problem of the usurping tree. How long will it take for a movement to start to put a stop to the numerous usurping State of Emergency acts now invalidating the Constitution? We have been tricked from with in by our own laws.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... _emergency
"According to the United States Constitution, Article 1, only Congress shall make federal law. However, since the War and Emergency Powers Act of 1933, every president has usurped lawmaking powers. Their 'laws' are called Executive Orders (EOs). These EOs, not our Constitution, are what is governing America today. The War and Emergency Powers Act enables ... the president to declare a national emergency, and thereby become a dictator."[1]

"Presidents can also carefully choose their words and declare a war on anything, in order to give them dictatorial control. For example, the War on Drugs makes it possible to use federal authorities, such as FBI, FEMA, BATF, and the military against American citizens. A well-known example is Waco. Another example is Hurricane Opal. After Florida was declared a nation emergency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) arrived on the scene and residents were placed under marshal law (restricted to the point of not going outside their door). When the federal government does this, it is going against the Constitution. The War and Emergency Powers Act is an unconstitutional act on the part of our government, created so that presidents can bypass Congress, and do whatever they choose."[2]

"It also makes it possible to do away with posse comitatus in cases of 'emergency'. Posse comitatus is what protects American citizens from the military being used against them."[3]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... _emergency

"Sharp," hardlineconstitutionalist? "I know that in me dwells no good thing." I certainly can make zero claim to wisdom,
except increasing age => increasing pain => increased wisdom, i.e., pain banishes foolishness in a hurry.

But God has given me a spiritual giftedness of finding out error, as in, opening a book and my eyes falling upon the specific statement or faulty logic in the book that is the primary fallacy underlying the thesis. That is not being sharp, keen, intelligent, alert, psychic, or "a mind-reader" ; that is a gift from God in the area of discernment. Some financial auditors operate with the help of such spiritual gifts, likewise for some crime investigators and interrogators.

"Be sure your sins will find you out." "There is nothing hidden that will not be uncovered." Evildoers think their deeds are so well-hidden that not even God could find them, yet God can and does empower specific persons to search out the darkest secrets.
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Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

There is no Congress...there is no Constitution in power and every thing the POTUS does now is under the protection of the "State of Emergency" act and laws and this has been since 1933. He is an "Executive order" dictator supreme and there for has done nothing illegitimate.

I know how hard this is to stomach. But this is the bottom root problem of the usurping tree. How long will it take for a movement to start to put a stop to the numerous usurping State of Emergency acts now invalidating the Constitution? We have been tricked from within by our own laws.

HardlineConstitutionalist, there is a Congress, regardless of how much the Executive and Judicial branches encroach upon its authority.

The Constitution is in force, even though some violate it, annul it, defy it, obstruct it, misinterpret it, burn it, or simply ignore it.

Mr. Obama is not an E.O. dictator but an ineligible, fraudulent usurper, and as the putative POTUS, everything he does except breathe is illegitimate.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but AFAIK, the nationwide State of Emergency concerning H1N1 is still in effect and has not been rescinded. Therefore, the United States is but one usurper's signature away from martial law, where no one has any rights, and everyone must "do as you are told," even at gunpoint.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HardlineConstitutionalist, correct me if I am mistaken, but AFAIK, the nationwide State of Emergency re H1N1 is still in effect and has not been rescinded. Therefore, the United States is but one usurper's signature away from martial law, where no one has any rights, and everyone must "do as you are told," even at gunpoint.[/size]

Methinks the gun points two ways.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

[size=7]"Sharp," hardlineconstitutionalist? "I know that in me dwells no good thing." I certainly can make zero claim to wisdom, although increasing age => increasing pain => increased wisdom, i.e., pain banishes foolishness in a hurry.

But God has given me a spiritual giftedness of finding out error, as in, opening a book and my eyes falling upon the specific statement or faulty logic in the book that is the primary fallacy underlying the thesis. That is not being sharp, keen, intelligent, or alert; that is a gift from God in the area of discernment. "Be sure your sins will find you out." "There is nothing hidden that will not be uncovered." Evildoers think their deeds are so well-hidden that not even God could find them, yet God can and does empower specific persons to search out the darkest secrets.
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Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

There is no Congress...there is no Constitution in power and every thing the POTUS does now is under the protection of the "State of Emergency" act and laws and this has been since 1933. He is an "Executive order" dictator supreme and there for has done nothing illegitimate.

I know how hard this is to stomach. But this is the bottom root problem of the usurping tree. How long will it take for a movement to start to put a stop to the numerous usurping State of Emergency acts now invalidating the Constitution? We have been tricked from with in by our own laws.

HardlineConstitutionalist, correct me if I am mistaken, but AFAIK, the nationwide State of Emergency re H1N1 is still in effect and has not been rescinded. Therefore, the United States is but one usurper's signature away from martial law, where no one has any rights, and everyone must "do as you are told," even at gunpoint.

Nope...ur not wrong but it is even worst.

Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially-proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.
http://www.rallye-pointe.com/em_powers.htm

But it gets even better...this is my fav part:

12 USC 95(b) refers to the authority granted in the Act of October 6, 1917 (a/k/a The Trading with the Enemy Act or War Powers Act) which was "An Act to define, regulate, and punish trading with the enemy, and for other purposes".

This Act originally excluded citizens of the United States, but in the Act of March 9, 1933, Section 2 amended this to include "any person within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

It was here that every American citizen literally became an enemy to the United States government under declaration.

According to the current Memorandum of American Cases and Recent English Cases on The Law of Trading With the Enemy, we have no personal Rights at law in any court, and all Rights of an enemy (all American citizens are all declared enemies) to sue in the courts are suspended, whereby the public good must prevail over private gain.

This also provides for the taking over of enemy private property. Now we know whywe no longer receive allodial freehold title to our land... as enemies, our property is no longer ours to have.

The only way we can do business or any type of legal
trade is to obtain permission from our government by
means of a license.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1933.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1933.htm

WE WILL NEVER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, UNTIL WE KNOW THE PROBLEM!! WAR POWERS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM!!

Senate Report - War and Emergency Powers Acts

STUDY # 1 of 4 .... War and Emergency Powers
http://www.apfn.net/pogo/L001I060630-war-powers1.MP3

STUDY #2 of 4.... War end Emergency Powers
http://www.apfn.net/pogo/L002I060630-war-powers2.MP3

STUDY #3 OF 4 ---
http://www.apfn.net/pogo/L003I060630-war-powers3.MP3

STUDY #4 OF 4 ---
http://www.apfn.net/pogo/L004I060630-war-powers4.MP3

CONTACT SENATORS HERE
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CONTACT HOUSE MEMBERS HERE
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Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HardlineConstitutionalist, correct me if I am mistaken, but AFAIK, the nationwide State of Emergency re H1N1 is still in effect and has not been rescinded. Therefore, the United States is but one usurper's signature away from martial law, where no one has any rights, and everyone must "do as you are told," even at gunpoint.[/size]

Methinks the gun points two ways.

Methinks this birther game has simply been a ploy to keep our eyes of the bigger issues...

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Methinks this birther game has simply been a ploy to keep our eyes of the bigger issues...

One has to ask where the law enforcement is in the federal government because they sure ain't doin their job.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Methinks this birther game has simply been a ploy to keep our eyes of the bigger issues...

One has to ask where the law enforcement is in the federal government because they sure ain't doin their job.

Or are they? Expectations. Our vs. theirs? I think this also at the root.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

One has to ask where the law enforcement is in the federal government, because they sure ain't doin their job.

IMO, AG Holder's minions have been doin' the Mob's job... the Chicago way.

IIRC, some honest and decent public servants have simply resigned from the DoJ and have gone to work in the private sector.

BORN IN THE USA?

Election official: I'd testify Obama not born in Hawaii
Clerk willing to swear in court about no hospital birth record

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Posted: June 13, 2010
5:10 pm Eastern


By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily





The former Honolulu elections clerk who says President Obama was "definitely" not born in Hawaii and has no birth certificate from any hospital in the Aloha State says he's willing to testify in court to those facts.

"The things I've said, I don't mind testifying in court," Tim Adams, the senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in the 2008 campaign, told WND in an exclusive interview.

"I was working there, and this is what it was. I'm not a lawyer, just a civil servant. I know what I know. I know what I was told by the hospitals and by my supervisors."

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Adams, a Hillary Clinton supporter who now teaches English at Western Kentucky University while he works on his master's degree, burst onto the scene last week in a WND story in which he asserted Obama was not born in Hawaii as the White House claims and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist there.

"There is no birth certificate," he said. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this


"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.


Tim Adams, the former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, says President Obama was "definitely" not born in Hawaii,and a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not exist in the state.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation Obama was born at its facility.

Adams, 45, stressed, "In my professional opinion, he definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Adams oversaw a group of 50 to 60 employees and was responsible for verifying the identity of voters, especially absentee voters.

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He now expects his former co-workers still working in the elections office to say little, if anything, about the non-existent birth certificate because they fear for their jobs.

"If you're working in the civil service and you say this, you're done," Adams said. "Don't expect to have a good career, especially since the governor is on the other side. Embarassing them is not good for your career."


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.

"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

WND asked Adams about the governor's assertions about viewing a hospital-generated birth certificate from Hawaii.

"Then where is it? And why all the smoke and mirrors?" he responded. "They could end the controversy by producing the document, and they never have. It doesn't exist."

"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he added. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."

While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was born an American.

He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.

"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."

WND's original report about Adams' claims has already been made into a YouTube video, getting thousands of hits:



To date, President Obama has still not provided simple, incontrovertible proof of his exact birthplace. That information would be included on his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate which Obama has steadfastly refused to release amid a flurry of conflicting reports.

The White House has only proffered on the Internet a "Certification of Live Birth" to assert he was born in Hawaii, but that document was available to children not born in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth.

Many people remain unaware a child could be born somewhere else and still receive a Hawaii COLB. State law specifically allows "an adult or the legal parents of a minor child" to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document.


This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.


"Anyone can get that [Certification of Live Birth]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.


"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.


This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.



But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

Besides his actual birth documentation, documentation that remains concealed for Obama includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165981