Thread: I will not vote for McCain even if that means Obama wins.

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

That's REALLY cutting off your nose to spite your face!

I think Obama IS the beginning of the end for the U.S. Hillary would also end the U.S., just not quite as quickly as Obama.

So, set at home, don't vote, and when the end comes, know you helped.

Ha . . . Senor Jorge was the alpha, the election of Obama or McCain will mean the absolute Omega of America as we know it. Bar a 3rd party candidacy of someone the equivalent of Ron Paul, HillBilly is the better choice IMHO. She would serve as an excellent perpetually divisive road block to amnesty for the next 4 years. I know this may sound a little insane but think about it, unlike Obama she has zero charisma/charm, if he or McCain are elected it would be far more dangerous as either of them will have enough allies on both sides of the aisle willling to "work with them" towards passing bills that will eventually lead to "comprehensive immigration reform.

The resentment of the Clintons (because make no mistake about it we will be stuck with a co-Presidency) will create and sustain 4 years of divisive political/gender based power struggles, infighting and bickering that will last 4 years. If we survived 8 years of the current idiot, 4 years of HillBilly will serve to give the rest of America time to catch up to the realization that "comprehensive immigration" should NOT be an option.

Bravo! Sad to say I voted for the Bushwacker FOUR times and I am afraid that Senator McCAMNESTY would even be worse for the United States.

Originally Posted by lccat

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

That's REALLY cutting off your nose to spite your face!

I think Obama IS the beginning of the end for the U.S. Hillary would also end the U.S., just not quite as quickly as Obama.

So, set at home, don't vote, and when the end comes, know you helped.

Ha . . . Senor Jorge was the alpha, the election of Obama or McCain will mean the absolute Omega of America as we know it. Bar a 3rd party candidacy of someone the equivalent of Ron Paul, HillBilly is the better choice IMHO. She would serve as an excellent perpetually divisive road block to amnesty for the next 4 years. I know this may sound a little insane but think about it, unlike Obama she has zero charisma/charm, if he or McCain are elected it would be far more dangerous as either of them will have enough allies on both sides of the aisle willling to "work with them" towards passing bills that will eventually lead to "comprehensive immigration reform.

The resentment of the Clintons (because make no mistake about it we will be stuck with a co-Presidency) will create and sustain 4 years of divisive political/gender based power struggles, infighting and bickering that will last 4 years. If we survived 8 years of the current idiot, 4 years of HillBilly will serve to give the rest of America time to catch up to the realization that "comprehensive immigration" should NOT be an option.

Bravo! Sad to say I voted for the Bushwacker FOUR times and I am afraid that Senator McCAMNESTY would even be worse for the United States.

Don't kick yourself a lot of people were misled by the current idiot/traitor. That being said, we do not have the luxury of looking backwards, we need a game plan (yesterday) because the reality of the situation is one of the current 3 losers is going to become the next POTUS. Obama is sure to get the DREAMACT passed as a first step to amnesty. I was watching Charlie Rose last night and Bloomberg and Schwarzenager were his guest. Both were oozing their love and support for illegal aliens while virtually cursing and demeaning any American who was against illegal immigration. It was like a train wreck, I couldn't change the channel, but I had to stifle my screams with the nearest pillow so that my neighbors wouldn't think I had gone insane.

If Obama gets elected, I have no doubt Bloomberg will be selected as his running mate. The thought of that occurring scares the *hit out of me.

Chosen wrote:

I hate all three of them. But as far as I know at least McCain has not stated he will engage in social redistribution. Do I think he will do this? Absolutely. He is of this persuasion no doubt.

Wealth redistribution is on the first page of the liberals "How to" book on running a country. Such nonsense wouldn't typically be found on the agenda of a "true" conservative. Of course we all know McCain is not a conservative, however, even he understands that he can't go against his party on every issue. That being said, I still refuse to vote for McCain, and it goes without saying that I would never consider voting for a liberal. Well, I could possibly reconsider that position if Sen. Dorgan were running.

Well folks, it's looking more and more like Obama will be the democratic nominee, barring a last minute miracle from Hillarious. Sooooo, fast forward, Obama vs McCain. Obama is as far left and about as anti-american as I've ever seen in a candidate. Very little experience at anything except spouting empty promises for "change". Tell me, what does Obama offer that would be good for this country?? Show me ONE positive thing that we can believe in? As much as some disapprove of McCain, at the very LEAST, he sacrificed for this country in most unimaginable way..POW for over 5 years. So at least there is some love of this country in him. Obama?? Show me!

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by CitizenJustice

I hate the idea of voting for McShame, but I'm not going to sell out the U.S. to the dems by not voting.

But you are, in effect, selling out to a different form of globalist. One that not only wants amnesty, but also outright free trade, extension of NAFTA, and 8 more years in Iraq.

Scratch in Duncan Hunter's name, that's what I'll be doing, unless Alan Keyes announces his move to a third party and continues to run.

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Well folks, it's looking more and more like Obama will be the democratic nominee, barring a last minute miracle from Hillarious. Sooooo, fast forward, Obama vs McCain. Obama is as far left and about as anti-american as I've ever seen in a candidate. Very little experience at anything except spouting empty promises for "change". Tell me, what does Obama offer that would be good for this country?? Show me ONE positive thing that we can believe in? As much as some disapprove of McCain, at the very LEAST, he sacrificed for this country in most unimaginable way..POW for over 5 years. So at least there is some love of this country in him. Obama?? Show me!

McCain was a POW for 5 years, and then turned around and sold out POWs-MIAs still in SE Asia, along with his good buddy, John Kerry: www.greasyonline.com/modules.php?name=N ... int&sid=57

Obama doesn't have any love of country and neither does McCain. If McCain loves America, why does he want the illegal invasion to continue? Why has he signed off on the Globalist agenda on so many fronts?

When voting for Buchanan in 2000 and Peroutka in '04, Republicans told me repeatedly I was actually voting for Gore and Kerry respectively, and while Bush may not be perfect, he was better than Gore and Kerry. Gore and Kerry MIGHT have been worse if elected, and if given everything they wanted from the Congress, but as we saw during the Clinton years, congressional conservatives in the GOP, fought Clinton tooth and nail. Conversely, when Bush was elected the Republican-controlled Congress rolled over for all sorts of Globalist, socialistic crap that Bush was pushing, because he was "Their guy". I believe that under McCain Republicans in the House and Senate, will repeat those performances. If you think it would be different this time around, show me why and how.

Originally Posted by POTUS

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Well folks, it's looking more and more like Obama will be the democratic nominee, barring a last minute miracle from Hillarious. Sooooo, fast forward, Obama vs McCain. Obama is as far left and about as anti-american as I've ever seen in a candidate. Very little experience at anything except spouting empty promises for "change". Tell me, what does Obama offer that would be good for this country?? Show me ONE positive thing that we can believe in? As much as some disapprove of McCain, at the very LEAST, he sacrificed for this country in most unimaginable way..POW for over 5 years. So at least there is some love of this country in him. Obama?? Show me!

McCain was a POW for 5 years, and then turned around and sold out POWs-MIAs still in SE Asia, along with his good buddy, John Kerry: www.greasyonline.com/modules.php?name=N ... int&sid=57

Obama doesn't have any love of country and neither does McCain. If McCain loves America, why does he want the illegal invasion to continue? Why has he signed off on the Globalist agenda on so many fronts?

When voting for Buchanan in 2000 and Peroutka in '04, Republicans told me repeatedly I was actually voting for Gore and Kerry respectively, and while Bush may not be perfect, he was better than Gore and Kerry. Gore and Kerry MIGHT have been worse if elected, and if given everything they wanted from the Congress, but as we saw during the Clinton years, congressional conservatives in the GOP, fought Clinton tooth and nail. Conversely, when Bush was elected the Republican-controlled Congress rolled over for all sorts of Globalist, socialistic crap that Bush was pushing, because he was "Their guy". I believe that under McCain Republicans in the House and Senate, will repeat those performances. If you think it would be different this time around, show me why and how.

This makes me "want" to support Ms. Clinton, you know the good old days when the supposed conservative "Republican-controlled Congress" displayed a backbone!

Originally Posted by lccat

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

we need a game plan (yesterday) because the reality of the situation is one of the current 3 losers is going to become the next POTUS. Obama is sure to get the DREAMACT passed as a first step to amnesty.

It doesn't make any difference which of the three traitors become POTUS. If the DEMS control Congress, the DREAMACT, AMNESTY, OPEN BORDERS, and the NAU are a done deal and America as we know it is gone.

Barring a miracle, we can't get an alternative to the open-borders, traitorous presidential candidates at this stage. The only way to stop inevitability it is to flip Congress. To do that we need to replace a few of the sitting traitors.

Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta is running for Congress in PA.
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Others?

Here is a game plan for you. What if America was shaken out of its stupor and becomes so incensed that many dozens of the traitors in Congress were replaced?

What could do that?

Molested, raped, murdered, and killed children.

Go to http://www.victimsofillegalaliens.com/

Click on the Victim tab, sort by sexual crimes and start reading the reports.

Do you think America has any idea this is happening?

Then go to the Statistics. Note all the victims under age 12. Most are victims of horrific sexual crimes. There are some indications that the real number could be many thousands of times more.

Dr. Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute has data that suggests that there could be as many as 131,000 sexual crimes committed EVERY YEAR by illegal aliens.

http://www.darksideofillegalimmigration.com/page6.html

If so, how many is that since 9/11?

Do you think America has any idea of what is happening to their children?

How many molested, raped, killed and murdered children will it take to wake up America? Is "only" 126 acceptable to save ten cents on a head of lettuce?

How about 500? 1,000? 10,000?

When will America wake up and get incensed at what most of our politicians have allowed to happen on the altar of illegal immigration?

What will it take to get you incensed?

So far VOIA has "only" 378 victims in the data base. We have information on another 1,500 or so and that is only scratching the surface.

What if there were 10,000 documented victims in the VOIA data base? Will that shock you? Is that enough to shock America?

Three of the most effective political ads of all time involved dead Americans. Somebody creative could take the VOIA data and do some rather interesting things with it right before the November elections.

Who would vote for more molested, raped, killed, and murdered children?

You can spend hours on this forum complaining or 30 minutes once a week tracking down, documenting and adding another American who was molested, raped, killed, or murdered to the VOIA data base. In the end, what will be more effective?

How many members of ALIPAC are there? 10,000? One victim a week for six months times 10,000 is 240,000 victims.

What could you do with solid documentation on the number of citizens in your state who have been molested, raped, killed and murdered by illegal aliens? How about a THEIR BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS poster and website?

If anybody has a better game plan I'd like to hear it. Until then, VOIA is probably the only game that has the potential to save America.

However, for VOIA to be successful we need Y-O-U reporting the crimes and then doing creative things with the data so that the voters will hold the traitors accountable.

Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution states, "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

Unfortunately, in our politically correct era, "invasion" and "domestic violence" are now parsed with the word "is." Regardless, our republican principals are being ignored, our borders are being trampled, our laws broken, our sovereignty violated, and our citizens are under attack from outside peoples, foreign nationals, who are committing more and more domestic violence, denying American Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, as well as Safety and Happiness.

None of the crimes documented in VOIA would have ever been committed if the President and Congress were exercising their constitutionally-mandated responsibilities of securing the border and enforcing existing law!

The GOVT does not document crimes committed by the foreign national invaders because it would prove they are malefactors and traitors.

The GOVT will not report the crimes but VOIA will. However, we need your help to do the job the Justice Dept should be doing but isn't.

Originally Posted by lccat

Originally Posted by POTUS

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Well folks, it's looking more and more like Obama will be the democratic nominee, barring a last minute miracle from Hillarious. Sooooo, fast forward, Obama vs McCain. Obama is as far left and about as anti-american as I've ever seen in a candidate. Very little experience at anything except spouting empty promises for "change". Tell me, what does Obama offer that would be good for this country?? Show me ONE positive thing that we can believe in? As much as some disapprove of McCain, at the very LEAST, he sacrificed for this country in most unimaginable way..POW for over 5 years. So at least there is some love of this country in him. Obama?? Show me!

McCain was a POW for 5 years, and then turned around and sold out POWs-MIAs still in SE Asia, along with his good buddy, John Kerry: www.greasyonline.com/modules.php?name=N ... int&sid=57

Obama doesn't have any love of country and neither does McCain. If McCain loves America, why does he want the illegal invasion to continue? Why has he signed off on the Globalist agenda on so many fronts?

When voting for Buchanan in 2000 and Peroutka in '04, Republicans told me repeatedly I was actually voting for Gore and Kerry respectively, and while Bush may not be perfect, he was better than Gore and Kerry. Gore and Kerry MIGHT have been worse if elected, and if given everything they wanted from the Congress, but as we saw during the Clinton years, congressional conservatives in the GOP, fought Clinton tooth and nail. Conversely, when Bush was elected the Republican-controlled Congress rolled over for all sorts of Globalist, socialistic crap that Bush was pushing, because he was "Their guy". I believe that under McCain Republicans in the House and Senate, will repeat those performances. If you think it would be different this time around, show me why and how.

This makes me "want" to support Ms. Clinton, you know the good old days when the supposed conservative "Republican-controlled Congress" displayed a backbone!

Although I could never vote for Hitlerry, anymore than I could vote for John "The Manchurian Candidate" McCain, or Obamanation, i know what you mean!

From what I see here, it seems that no one feels that they can vote for McCain.

I've been thinking about it really hard and I just do not feel that I could bring myself to vote for him. Someone would have to take my hand and force it to do it and I'm not expecting anyone to be there to do that.

One of the things that just makes me cringe would be to hear him call us, "My Friends", the way he likes to start his speeches. I cannot bear to hear him call us "My Friends".

It's so bad that I could just sit back and let Obama win, that's how bad it feels.

THAT'S PRETTY BAD, ISN'T IT?!