Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

I thought the title of this forum was "Barack Obama's citizenship questioned"

Must have missed something in my reading.

Originally Posted by jshhmr

I see all of these anti-Obama stories, and I can't help but think it's because he's black.

Dear jshhmr, you are entitled to think whatever you like, but when you say it (slander), or worse, write it publicly (libel), you are not within your rights. We here are not public figures, like The Great Impostor; so the rules are different.

While you, jshhmr, are thinking evil of your neighbors, falsely, you would do well to repent and seek God's forgiveness. Please, for your own sake and for your own continued well-being, do not be found out to be a fool, because God has no pleasure with fools (Ecclesiastes 5:4). I say this as a warning and a pleading for your benefit, because I know all too well of Whom we have to do, and His wrath is slow to be provoked, but terrifying and dreadful in its consequences. "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord, and "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

By the way, jshhmr, did you never swear an oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic?

This investigation and plea for redress of grievances is about the United States Constitution and a fraudulent impostor, a "usurper of the throne." There is ample cause to suspect, question, and investigate his credentials of a "natural born Citizen." He has not demonstrated to any election official, state or federal, that he meets the "natural born Citizen" requirement for the Presidency. He is defying the rule of law in this country by obstructing justice and thwarting due process for plaintiffs who only ask that he prove that he is a "natural born Citizen," as the Constitution requires.

"Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules." - 2 Tim 2:5

Even if a football player takes the kickoff in the end zone and runs it back 110 yards for a touchdown, if there is A FLAG ON THE PLAY, it doesn't count, and the play must be done over. Even if a sprinter runs a 9 second 100 meters in the Olympics, if he faults at the starting block, he is not so much as named among the finishers.

It wouldn't matter if he were Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln -
any candidate for the Presidency who is not a "natural born Citizen"
is NOT ELIGIBLE and is DISQUALIFIED.

Will the rest of you please forgive me for feeding the troll?

Originally Posted by jshhmr

I see all of these anti-Obama stories, and I can't help but think it's because he's black.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, I didn't vote for Obama because he wants to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.
I also didn't vote for McCain or Clinton for the same reason.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

I thought the title of this forum was "Barack Obama's citizenship questioned"

Must have missed something in my reading.

As much as I would like to see the guy I voted for (Barr) as our president, Obama IS our president, and 30 pages of of anti-Obama hatred is not the answer. There is NO way it will be proven otherwise. If we used as much focus (again, 28 pages for anti-Obama propoganda) for anti-illegal immigration, we might get somewhere. Apparently, more people on this site care more about Obama than the situation that we are here to combat. My life was taken away from me by an illegal immigrant. What does Obama have to do with this? Obama didn't steal it. It was stolen under Bush. I blame Bush for my misfortunes. With Obama, we can at least try to stop the crap he is shoving down our throats. If we fail, then you can say I told you so all you want. But, we will NOT fail. We WILL come together, no matter what religion, race, or beliefs. My life was not taken away for no reason other than "the guy I didin't vote for is president" Limbaugh is already calling for a complete failure when Obama hasn't done anything other than undo the horrendous environmental and financial sanctions that Bush gave us. He WANTS to put regulations on the financial industry which put us where we are today. What is wrong with that? As much as I hate to say it, thanks to Bush, the ONLY choice we have us to nationalize our banking institutions. Yes, I hate it, but what other choice do we have thanks to Bush? Giving banks more money is NOT the answer. We must fight Obama on this issue as well. Can we get 28 pages worth of comments on this issue?

Originally Posted by jshhmr

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

I thought the title of this forum was "Barack Obama's citizenship questioned"

Must have missed something in my reading.

As much as I would like to see the guy I voted for (Barr) as our president, Obama IS our president, and 30 pages of of anti-Obama hatred is not the answer.

Again, with all due respect, Obama may not be our president and if he is shown to be a usurper, every second he has been acting as president will be null and void, and every law he signs into law will become null and void.

If he does sign legislation into law, and some citizen suffers from the effects of the law, the citizen will then have the legal standing necessary to challenge Obama and the law.

This matter will never be over until Obama capitulates and declares his citizenry for the world to observe, or until he is shown to be a usurper.

This matter has gone too far, and Obama has resisted for too long.

It ain't going to be over until it's over.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by jshhmr

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

I thought the title of this forum was "Barack Obama's citizenship questioned"

Must have missed something in my reading.

As much as I would like to see the guy I voted for (Barr) as our president, Obama IS our president, and 30 pages of of anti-Obama hatred is not the answer.

Again, with all due respect, Obama may not be our president and if he is shown to be a usurper, every second he has been acting as president will be null and void, and every law he signs into law will become null and void.

If he does sign legislation into law, and some citizen suffers from the effects of the law, the citizen will then have the legal standing necessary to challenge Obama and the law.

This matter will never be over until Obama capitulates and declares his citizenry for the world to observe, or until he is shown to be a usurper.

This matter has gone too far, and Obama has resisted for too long.

It ain't going to be over until it's over.

My point is, how are YOU going to be able to prove otherwise. A small group of people that don't like him aren't going to make him not be our president. However, we CAN come together and stop illegal immigration. IT IS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE! WE CAN'T WASTE OUR TIME ON SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT MATTER IN THE EYES OF THE GOVERNMENT. Illegal immigration DOES matter, and we CAN do something about this. Stop focusing your attention on something that nobody can prove. Focus on illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by jshhmr

... As much as I hate to say it, thanks to Bush, the ONLY choice we have us to nationalize our banking institutions. Yes, I hate it, but what other choice do we have thanks to Bush? Giving banks more money is NOT the answer. We must fight Obama on this issue as well. Can we get 28 pages worth of comments on this issue?

Saying that the only solution to the problem is to nationalize the banks is equivalent to saying that I have an ingrown toenail let's amputate above the knee. Government has no business, authority, constitutional duty, experience, or know how to run the banking system or just about anything else for that matter. Thomas Jefferson spoke well when he said "I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." Now if you don't believe that the Constitutional limits placed on Government are worthwhile and ought to be enforced, then I am not surprised at all at your outrage that there are people that are adamant that Obama prove that he is a Natural Born Citizen. This is not a black versus white, republican versus democrat thing here. This is a debate as to whether the Constitution matters at all to anyone anymore.

Now almost two decades ago I raised my hand for the first time, of many times, to swear to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Now the term of my enlistment has long since past,
But my oath remains in force. And I would imagine I'm not the only one on this thread with a similar history and mindset. I will support Obama and call him President Obama, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN he proves that he is the president and a man of his word and upholds the Constitution by OBEYING IT and answering the charges that he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

jshhmr,

So, why did I do it to George Bush? He's not black. Thank God that we have freedom of speech in this country and we can bad mouth our leaders all we want.

Immigration is an issue that Obama has been avoiding and congress is going to bear his water on this one.

In fact, the Globalist is being true to himself and he's already hobnobbing with the Arabs, which is more important than America and is evident because his first TV apperance was for thier benefit on an Arab Cable station. Can't wait to hear what he's going to do for China.

One Week in Office

Obama let the terrorist have "rights" and is closing down a secure prison and relocating them at what cost?

Appointed Geithner a tax cheat to become Sec. of the Treasury.

Pushing for the biggest pork bill in history with the promise that government distributing your money will save the economy.

Redistributed America's wealth to pay for abortions overseas.

Attacked freedom of speech by telling Republicans to quit listening to Rush Limbaugh.

Orders transparency and no lobbyist in the White House but invites two in and bends his own ethics rules. William Lynn III, the top lobbyist for Raytheon Co., for deputy secretary of Defense and William V. Corr, a former lobbyist for Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids to head the Department of Health and Human Services.

Then he orders the financially failing auto industry to change the way they do business and meet standards that will cost tons of money to implement.

I know I've miss some tidbits because I'm really trying to ignore the awful truth.

Let's be fair, what good deed has he done this week? I can't think of one.

Dixie

Originally Posted by armbruster512

Originally Posted by jshhmr

... As much as I hate to say it, thanks to Bush, the ONLY choice we have us to nationalize our banking institutions. Yes, I hate it, but what other choice do we have thanks to Bush? Giving banks more money is NOT the answer. We must fight Obama on this issue as well. Can we get 28 pages worth of comments on this issue?

Saying that the only solution to the problem is to nationalize the banks is equivalent to saying that I have an ingrown toenail let's amputate above the knee. Government has no business, authority, constitutional duty, experience, or know how to run the banking system or just about anything else for that matter. Thomas Jefferson spoke well when he said "I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." Now if you don't believe that the Constitutional limits placed on Government are worthwhile and ought to be enforced, then I am not surprised at all at your outrage that there are people that are adamant that Obama prove that he is a Natural Born Citizen. This is not a black versus white, republican versus democrat thing here. This is a debate as to whether the Constitution matters at all to anyone anymore.

Now almost two decades ago I raised my hand for the first time, of many times, to swear to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Now the term of my enlistment has long since past,
But my oath remains in force. And I would imagine I'm not the only one on this thread with a similar history and mindset. I will support Obama and call him President Obama, WHEN AND ONLY WHEN he proves that he is the president and a man of his word and upholds the Constitution by OBEYING IT and answering the charges that he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

The problem is, is that the toe that is the US financial market has become so gangrenous that we have no choice but to amputate. The podiatrist was given the opportunity to do a simple ingown toenail surgery, but he decided to let it get worse. The government decided to give him money to fix the toenail, but he pocketed the money instead. How are we going to get rid of this mentality without the government stepping in, assuming of course the government does what they are supposed to do? Privatized banks have failed us under the deregulated markets that Bush and his people put upon us. How is Obama suppoesed to correct this without some sort of government control? In 1935, Roosevelt supported socialism when social security was created. I don't hear any rebuttal on this issue. I would rather have that money to invest myself, but since this has been law before you guys were born, it is somehow okay. But when it comes to our current president having any choices other than more money given to the podiatrist, then nationalizing the banks to make sure they don't screw the American people doesn't seem so bad. Since people here are able to think outside of the box, what are your opinions on how to fix the economy? Obviously immigration is the biggest factor, but other than that what can we do?

Originally Posted by jshhmr

Since people here are able to think outside of the box, what are your opinions on how to fix the economy? Obviously immigration is the biggest factor, but other than that what can we do?

The Government and Government interference helped cause this problem and only getting the government out of the way will we start to see our way out of this. Start off by throwing Sen. Dodd, & Rep. Frank in jail for their hand in what they have caused. Sen. Shumer should be removed from office for causing a run on IndyMac Bank by saying that there wasn't enough money in the bank to keep it solvent. Well there wasn't after he said that.

Second. Repeal the laws that Carter signed forcing banks to loan money to people that cannot reasonably pay it back. Repeal the laws that Clinton signed that increased the same bad policy.

Third. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

Fourth. Outlaw fractional reserve banking. For those who don't know that is where a bank receives a deposit of $10,000. It keeps $3,000 on hand and loans out $7,000. That $7,000 gets deposited at another bank and they keep $2,100 on hand and loan out $4,900. The $4,900 gets deposited at another bank and they keep $1,470 on hand. They then it turn loan out the $3,430. You see the pattern. Every time they "loan" more money, more money is "created". Now supply and demand take over. The more money in the market place the less it is worth. Now it takes more money to buy the same commodity.

Fifth. Repeal the 16th amendment and pass the Fair Tax (www.fairtax.org).

Sixth. Clarify the 14th amendment to state that in order to be a citizen you must be born on US soil to individuals that are in the country legally. Also add clarification to the Natural Born Citizen that it makes it plain that you must be born on US Soil to two US citizens (naturalized or Natural Born).

Seventh. Remove funding of schooling, welfare, food stamps, housing and non-emergency health care to non-citizens.

Eighth. Open up the OCS, ANWAR, and the oil shale in the mid-west. This will bring in more money to the treasury as the majority of these areas are federally protected lands that must be leased from the government to allow them to extract the resources from the ground.

These are simple things to get started but not the end all be all of answers.

Originally Posted by jshhmr

The problem is, is that the toe that is the US financial market has become so gangrenous that we have no choice but to amputate. The podiatrist was given the opportunity to do a simple ingown toenail surgery, but he decided to let it get worse. The government decided to give him money to fix the toenail, but he pocketed the money instead.

Yes, but instead of going to a surgeon to perform the amputation You want to go to the local ditch digger to amputate (nothing against a ditch digger I just wouldn't want them cutting my foot off much less my whole leg)

Originally Posted by jshhmr

In 1935, Roosevelt supported socialism when social security was created. I don't hear any rebuttal on this issue. I would rather have that money to invest myself, but since this has been law before you guys were born, it is somehow okay.

You aren't listening in the right places. I cannot stand the SS system. I would love to have the money that I have been stolen from and invested in this Ponzi scheme. That ain't an option for anyone at this juncture.

But with all of this, we digress from the issue at hand. If Obama isn't a NBC, then even if he were to implement the 8 steps above, none of them that he actively signs into law will be effectual and enforceable BECAUSE HE ISN"T THE PRESIDENT. He is the usurper. Can you only imagine the problems that will be born the instant his secret is brought into the light. Every nomination is now void and there are no cabinet heads. Every action that the cabinet heads have caused will be null and void. Even the Sec. of Treas. who has ultimate power to spend the TARP money. How do you unspend that money? Every Executive order he has signed is now void and will have to be readdressed. Every bill that he has signed or vetoed will have to be re-passed by the Congress and then signed by the 44th President of the US, Pres. Biden. I will stand up and salute Pres. Biden and then fight him tooth and nail on all of his ultra-liberal ideas that he puts forward. It is this last paragraph that sums up why there are almost 30 pages of posts on this thread. Dr. Edwin Viera said it much better at http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm. If after reading his article you still aren't convinced that this isn't a waste of everybody's time, then let us waste our time in peace and you read other treads that are more in line with highly visible illegal immigration issues.