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    He did sum up many of the flaws, but not all, like the resultant chain migration. Now we have to get him to stop using that word,

    "comprehensive."

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    I've done emails A through Z twice, and made calls inbetween. I am now starting my 3rd round of emails. I'll start calls again in the morning. Whew! Lets get em!
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    SUCH A LOST CAUSE!

    Dated 10/23 4:46pm
    Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about the Development,
    Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act of 2007. I appreciate
    hearing your views on this important issue.

    Throughout my years in public service, I’ve worked to improve access to
    higher education for people from all walks of life. Graduation from high
    school is an important milestone in life, and many high school graduates
    look forward to attending college. For some though, the opportunity to
    attend college and realize their educational dreams is not an option
    because of their immigration status. Many of these children were brought
    to the U.S. when they were very young by parents who entered our country
    illegally. These children did not have a choice as to where they would
    live, but many of these children ultimately grew up here, went to school
    here, and have worked hard over the years to become productive members of
    our society.

    Under current law, an undocumented immigrant is ineligible for in-state
    higher education benefits. Consequently, thousands of young people are
    prevented from pursuing higher education. Among them are honor-roll
    students, star athletes, and talented artists. In an effort to address
    this issue, Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Richard Durbin (D-IL)
    introduced bipartisan legislation several years ago that is now known as
    the DREAM Act (S. 774), which would remove some of the barriers to pursue
    education that this specific group of immigrants face. While this measure
    would not make this limited group of young people American citizens, it
    would allow them to earn the right to apply for legal status and to apply
    for college if they fulfill certain requirements. Among those requirements
    are: 1) qualifying undocumented students must have come to the U.S. before
    the age of 15 and have lived here for at least five years; 2) they must
    have attended and graduated from high school in the U.S.; and 3) they must
    be of good moral character. Moreover, the bill would also allow states to
    determine who is eligible for in-state tuition rates at state colleges or
    universities.

    As you may know, Senators Hatch and Durbin recently planned to offer this
    legislation in the form of an amendment to the 2008 Department of Defense
    Authorization Act. While the amendment was not voted on by the full Senate
    and ultimately not included in the defense bill, I do expect the Senate to
    consider the DREAM Act at some time in the coming months. I have heard
    from a number of constituents who, like yourself, are opposed to the DREAM
    Act. I want you to know that I understand your concerns. In fact, I had
    similar reservations with the bill myself when I first heard about it
    several years ago. However, after careful examination, I came to realize
    that there were many misconceptions about the legislation. It is my belief
    that the DREAM Act is not an amnesty measure. It is narrowly tailored to
    assist only a select group of young people who have followed the rules,
    even if their parents did not, to earn the right to apply for legal status,
    but not citizenship.

    Initially, I thought the bill might systematically reward immigrants with
    full legal status. However, that is not the case. Only after these
    student immigrants have lived here for more than five years, and have met
    the aforementioned requirements, would they have the opportunity to apply
    for a six-year conditional residential status. During that six year
    period, qualifying immigrants must complete at least two years of college,
    or serve honorably in the U.S. military for at least two years. If the
    immigrants do not satisfy these requirements, or if they commit any crimes
    within that period, their status would be revoked immediately and they
    would be subject to deportation.

    I was also concerned the DREAM Act would create an incentive for parents to
    move their children here illegally. I directed my staff to search for any
    studies or reports that found a correlation between illegal immigration and
    access to a college education in this country. They could not find one.
    In fact, if they had, I would not have lent my support to this bill.

    Moreover, I wanted to ensure that this bill would not have a negative
    impact on American students who are applying to college. It would be
    unfair for students who qualify under the DREAM Act to have an advantage
    over other students. Senator Hatch has explained to me that the DREAM Act
    would not affect colleges’ admission processes. Instead, it would give
    qualifying students the opportunity to prove their academic merits. It
    would not provide students with financial aid. Instead, it would allow
    this group of undocumented students to apply and compete for federal
    student assistance in the same manner as other students do.

    The legislation would also benefit our military, which has been stretched
    thin by the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Under the DREAM Act,
    thousands of well-qualified recruits would become eligible to join the U.S.
    military for the first time. And since many of them grew up in the U.S.
    and consider this their home, it is only natural that they would want to
    serve and protect our nation, something that I did for 23 years as a naval
    flight officer on active and reserve duty. Most people do not know that we
    have more than 40,000 men and women serving in our military today- service
    members who are not citizens of our country- but who love our nation so
    much that they are willing to risk their lives to protect it. These are
    exactly the type of immigrants that Senator Hatch and his coauthors of the
    DREAM Act had in mind. All military recruits who qualify under the DREAM
    Act must be well-qualified high-school graduates with good moral character
    and no criminal background.

    That being said, I do not believe the DREAM Act is perfect, but there will
    be opportunities to improve the bill if it is to make its way through
    Congress in the months ahead. In the meantime, I firmly believe that we
    need to redouble our efforts to protect our borders and strengthen worksite
    enforcement before addressing other immigration issues. Along with many of
    my Senate colleagues, I voted earlier this summer to provide an additional
    $3 billion for border security, detention center beds, and worksite
    enforcement, as well as to begin the construction of a 700-mile fence along
    the U.S.-Mexico border.
    As you know, today we have some 12 million immigrants living in our country
    illegally. While the flow has been significantly slowed over the past
    year, more still arrive each day, so we can’t sit back and be complacent.
    I assure you that I will continue to work with my colleagues to secure our
    borders and aggressively enforce our laws against employers who knowingly
    hire illegal workers. The faster we act, the sooner we’ll be able to deter
    future unlawful entry into our country, while ensuring that a bad situation
    does not grow any worse.

    Thank you again for contacting my office. Please do not hesitate to
    contact me in the future about matters of importance to you.

    With best personal regards, I am

    Sincerely,

    Tom Carper
    United States Senator
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    I am calling it quits for the night, I started calling voice mail boxes at 4:30 this morning and I am going to get up again and start over, my daughters called all Senators after school and enjoy the chance to make a difference for their future.

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    Carper's been lost from the git. I have him and a few other Dems in a special class; the puppet class that obeys whatever their master's orders are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realbsball
    Carper's been lost from the git. I have him and a few other Dems in a special class; the puppet class that obeys whatever their master's orders are.
    You can add Salazar to that list. I don't know how many calls,faxes and emails I have wasted on him!

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    We called Nelson , Cardin ,Mikulski ,Hagel ,Manendez, Hatch ,Boxer,Feinstien,Salazar, Leiberman ,Durbin .


    Nelson Boxer Feinstein Salazar all boxes full .

    My blood presure is up so I can't stand to hear their voices it gives me instant headache !

    I told the traitors the people will vote you out !!!!

    All of us need to remember that not only some of these people infected with deady deseases, but also some are terrorist .

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    Definitely a terrible Senator, but I have Mr. Salazar in an entirely different class; the diabolical class.

    Carper just bends over for the money boys up the coast and probably doesn't know or doesn't want to know what's happening to this nation.

    Mr. Salazar, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Populist
    Make sure you include Sens. Kyl and Cornyn in your calls, both undecided. The Hill.com states that Sen. Cornyn has "kept open the possibility of supporting the measure." Here are the undecideds or haven't stated a position; please include these in your messages (if anyone else has info on these, please advise):

    Republicans:

    -Bennett
    -Brownback
    -Cochran
    -Coleman
    -Collins
    -Cornyn
    -Craig
    -Domenici
    -Ensign
    -Graham
    -Grassley
    -Gregg
    -Hutchison
    -Kyl
    -Murkowski
    -Smith
    -Snowe
    -Stevens
    -Voinovich
    -Warner

    Democrats:

    -Baucus
    -Bayh
    -Bingaman
    -Brown
    -Byrd
    -Conrad
    -Dorgan
    -Harkin
    -Johnson
    -Landrieu
    -Levin
    -McCaskill
    -Nelson, B.
    -Pryor
    -Rockefeller
    -Stabenow
    -Webb

    **As NumbersUSA pointed out, please point out that the Dream Act is NOT JUST AN AMNESTY FOR 60,000, rather according to a new study, the DREAM Act Offers Amnesty to 2.1 Million and another 1.4 million family members who could also stay. Another point that Numbers notes is that many of the fence-straddling Senators seem to care about is how this DREAM amnesty would affect future illegal immigration... the D.A. would be a tremendous incentive for future illegal immigration if foreign nationals don't believe we have our enforcement house in order.
    Thanks for the list, Populist, I just got back over here from the Ny State Spitzer Wars. I wili e-mail and call those on this list. Let me know if there are any other Senators i need to contact.

    Thanks.
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    I was visiting a Netherland Dutch site today and they are finally wising up, but it may be too late . They elected a parliment that promised changes in immigration . The people are rerady after the Theo Van Gogh partial beheading .

    Wonder when 911 will hit this public enough to do something ? Even if government involvement is suspect, it was still radical muslims who did the evil deed .

    Also we DO NOT want their socialized healthcare Hillery the screamer is pushing for .

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