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07-08-2006, 09:48 PM #41
CHICANO,
Our organization does not call for "mass deportations". We support ATTRITION DEPORTATION or Deportations through Attrition. Please see our platform and please read...
How To Reverse Illegal Immigration In America
http://www.alipac.us/article1111-thread-1-0.html
Yes, over 80% of Americans support these measures across the board.
The end results over a period of many years would be mass deportation and mass auto-deportation, but that is what is needed here and that is what the current law allows for.
The MASS DEPORTATION terminology you are using is a scare tactic to try and conjure up scary visions of malice and mayhem.
Your side knows that if you can keep the illegal aliens you already have in the US and turn them into voters and get them all to support more lawlessness then you will have the race based power and control you seek.
The public supports the deportation of illegal aliens especially ones caught for other crimes.
The illegal alien cohort in this country is so rich with criminals and gangsters that we will remove many of them this way if not most of the illegal aliens.
You seem to forget that many of the male and female illegal aliens coming into the US come illegally because they have already committed many crimes in their home countries and would never pass through the legal channels.
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07-08-2006, 10:07 PM #42whole country has had their mind filled with one sided stereotypical garbage.
Since you seem to be very concerned about racial or stereotypical matters and that we may be racialy motivated because of our opinions and viewpoints. I want to refere you to some American orginizations that can help you see our point of veiw and will be sensative to the fact that you are Hispanic because they are Hispanic. Like you, I'm sure many of them have immigrant parents and can understand where you are coming from. Also, there is no shame in being an immigrant, a child of a naturalized immigrant or embracing your heritage.
You Don't Speak for Me
http://dontspeakforme.org/index.html
LAIR Latino Americans for Immigration Reform
http://www.latinoamericans.org/
Don't get me wrong, you are more than welcome to stay and debate illegal immigration issues with us. I'm just offering you an alternative source.
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07-08-2006, 11:14 PM #43
I must admit that supporting my stand is a bit harder than I thought it would be, but then again it is me, a person that just graduated high school against an entire army. I must also admit that I do not know all of the consequences or benefits of illegal immigration.
All I can speak for is what I have seen. And what I have seen is definitaley possitive. But as I have consistantly said, I am sure there are both good and bad aspects of illegal immigration.
My main purpose in trying to start or contribute in these debates was to simply show you that this story is not black nor white. It has millions of shades of gray. You could talk all day about how illegal immigrants have taken your job, driven down wages, and cost you tax money. And you would have a point. But I can talk all day about how immigrants are reshaping my community that everyone else had abandoned. The simple fact is that, IN MY COMMUNITY, it is the illegal immigrants, and the people that once were illegal immigrants that are reconstructing. And they are working by themselves, so no, these are not taking away jobs from Americans. And I would have the point.
I am calling nobody here racist. I understand that your main goal is to improve the declining standard of living of the middle class. I see clearly where you are all coming from, but you do not see where I am coming from.
I am an American, so obviously I want the best for my country. But when I see how people who are the same as me in all but one way are being portrayed as felons, drug dealers, rapists, terrorist, communists, invaders, and only that, you must see why I am so mad.
And it doesn't stop there. Not only must the illegal immigrants be shown like this, but their offspring are punished as well. They are not American citizens, but "anchor babies."
Do you really believe that the MAJORITY of Hispanics, who have so many ties to immigrants that came here illegally, are suppose to just say "Too Bad. I'm American now. That is their problem."?
Obviouly, the answer is no. So the least I could do is stir up some debate, although it seems useless when one is, in my opinion, so closed minded.
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07-08-2006, 11:28 PM #44
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Chicano, the illegals do not and never will have the traditional American sense of fair play.
Dragonfly, I could not agree with you more. One of the main articles in the Austin American Statesman today was about Texas teachers failing Spanish speaking kids. What a load of crap their parents failed them.
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07-08-2006, 11:29 PM #45
Glad to see the admin take action in the above mentioned case.. All I really have to say is that I had been part of a protest a while back and can remember how one hispanic was being treated by my fellow Americans and it really wasn't nice.
The hispanic was a older male, 45 or so and he was out there with his sign just like the rest of us. Next thing I know, he's being harrassed by the anti-illegals for no good reason. I spoke to him for 10-15 minutes and found out he's a legal citizen, speaks English, pays taxes, and has a family here. One thing I would hate to see is that anyone on this board treat someone in such a harrassing manner as I saw this guy being treated. Just because he's hispanic doesn't automatically give someone the right to be hateful.
In the end, the Hispanic guy shook my hand and thanked me for being nice to him. Police made sure he was no longer harrassed.
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07-08-2006, 11:44 PM #46
chicano,
Nothing can ever change if you refuse to accept simple facts.Work together for the benefit of all mankind
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07-08-2006, 11:47 PM #47
Chicano,
46 or 47% of the Hispanic voters in Arizona voted YES on Proposition 200 on the ballot in 2004 which denies all taxpayer benefits, except for emergency medical, from illegal aliens. It also requires state employees to notify ICE if they come in contact with illegal aliens.
So YES, almost half of the legal Hispanics in America are read to cut off and kick out the illegal aliens.
Many of them realize that illegal aliens are causing a backlash against all immigration and all Hispanics.
Also, many of the illegal aliens are the people that legal Hispanic immigrants came to America to get away from.
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07-09-2006, 12:26 AM #48
Chicano,
[quote:12c12368]All I can speak for is what I have seen.
Although I am glad your community has improved that has not been what I have seen. I've lived in many southern CA cities since 1956. I have seen a lot of change, I mean a lot! No need to go into details but they aren't pretty. My brother-in-law still lives in one of those areas and when my husband visits, there is a guy who always gives him threatening looks. Like, what for? My husband is not an in-your-face rude kind of person. Consequently he no longer likes to go there, feels he doesn't belong and their family grew up in that town. My husband's father could speak Spanish like a native they say. So much has changed since then. We all have had our experiences and those help create our opinions. I have not seen one community improved by hispanics moving in but glad to hear it happening somewhere.
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07-09-2006, 12:35 AM #49
Chicano,
There are simply no grey areas in this. Legal is as it is and illegal is what it is clear cut. I understand that you are seeing wonderful things happening within your community. But none the less the illegals immigrants in your community are making a living to feed, shelter and pay bills. I'm sure they even have cars to maintain as well. How are they doing this Chicano? The only way they can illegally. Either from working for someone or through welfare. It is cut and dry. This is not a soft issue. There is a problem and it must be resolved, and because there is a law set before us we must comply. I said it before "They knew what would happen if they were caught" This is not a new law. It is however one that is being infringed upon. They, like everyone across our world must first fill out the necessary documents, submit them and wait for their turn. I am not being closed minded. I simply will not close my eyes and turn my head will someone is breaking a law. If my neighbor was being robbed I would not just look away because the person doing the crime is breaking a law. I would call the police and report them. These people are not following the law.If they had, then when it was time for them to come here by legal means they would have a home without worries, a legal job and a better chance in life for them and their childrens children to follow. The reason for laws is to keep order among the people of this nation. Without laws there is caos.
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I am merely an individual (who is NOT racist, BTW even though I have been a victim of racism) and I cannot speak for all at ALIPAC, but even if there are racists who frequent these boards, there are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reason - but that does not make the idea wrong. And none of that changes the fact that bringing a million or more, mostly low-skilled and uneducated, additional people from other countries to this one every year is tough on our economy, strains the fabric of our society, and ruins any hope of reducing environmental damage by stabilizing our population.
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http://www.alipac.us/article1111-thread-1-0.html
to save our country from being destroyed by the effects of illegal immigration.
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Originally Posted by chicanoAll that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke
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