Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by PatriotofPast

A Backup Plan?... I have one also and it to includes the Tea Party Movement, and the 9-12 Project Members and EVERY other American that BELIEVES in the United States Constitution.
You mention April 15th- Tax Day...
My plan makes referance to April 17th... 1775 !
The Shot Heard Around The World ! OUR Govt. is supposed to WORK FOR US, NOT the other way around.

I think you mean April 19th, Patriot's Day in Massachusetts and in Maine.

But, I'm in agreement with you - it is a very appropriate day.

Patriots Day in Massachusetts and in Maine..hmm...was looking for something more inclusive of ALL of the states. Regardless, the time for pining away over these matters is over. It's time to take things to the next level. Whatever it is, it must be well coordinated, widespread and brutally effective so as to send an unmistakable message. We can no longer afford to hunker down in our individual bunkers.

When the shot was fired, we didn't have any states. The day is of huge significance because it was the first open conflict between the militia and the Red Coats. It started the Revolutionary War.

Remember, the American Revolution never ended.

Right you are Highlander. I guess now it's going to heat back up!
Actually, I believe that the second shot fired was at the DC Tea Party on 12 Sept.

BORN IN THE USA?

Judge tosses eligibility case against Congress

'We've lost a skirmish. Now on with the war in the higher courts!'

Posted: October 21, 2009
11:55 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit filed by Charles F. Kerchner Jr. and others against Congress, alleging members of that institution failed in their constitutionally specified responsibility to evaluate Barack Obama and make sure of his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office.

Attorney Mario Apuzzo had filed the action in January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants were Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure of Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

The Constitution provides, the lawsuit says, "If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified."

"There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama's eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified," the case explained.

On his blog, Apuzzo confirmed Judge Jerome Simandle in New Jersey dismissed the case.

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"Judge Simandle ruled that the plaintiffs do not have Article III standing and that therefore the court does not have subject matter jurisdiction," he explained. "The court found that the plaintiffs failed to show that they suffered an 'injury in fact.' It added that plaintiffs' alleged injury is 'only a generally available grievance about government' and 'is one they share with all United States citizens.' Finally, it said that plaintiffs' 'motivations do not alter the nature of the injury alleged," Apuzzo wrote.

"By way of footnote, the court said that even if the plaintiffs could show that the court had Article III standing, they would not be able to show that the court should exercise jurisdiction because prudential standing concerns would prevent it from doing so," he added. "Finally, the court again in a footnote said that it cannot take jurisdiction of the issue of whether Obama is a 'natural born citizen' and whether Congress has acted constitutionally in its confirmation of Obama for president because the matter is a 'political question' which needs to be resolved by Congress."

The court suggested the "remedy" is "voting at the polls," he said.

But he noted there was no ruling that Obama's Hawaiian birth was proven, or that it was proven Obama is a "natural born" citizen."

"Given the nature of the court's decision, the American people unfortunately still do not know whether Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president and commander in chief," he said.

A appeal will be filed with the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia, he said.

Kerchner said in a statement released to The Post & Email blog it's a Catch-22.

"Congress told the people it was up to the courts. Now the federal court system which is supposed to be the guardian of the Constitution tells the We the People it is up to the Congress. And even worse, the federal court in my case just told the people that as long as the Congress and the executive branch usurp and ignore the Constitution in such a way as to injure all citizens and everyone in this nation equally, it is quite OK with them," he said.

"What's next, for Obama or the DNC-led Congress to usurp the 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment rights of We the People? and then the courts will tell us that we were all injured equally so we have no standing to redress it and we lose our freedom of speech and our right to bear arms?" he said.

"We've lost a skirmish or battle. Now on with the war in the higher courts!" he said.

WND had reported only days earlier when Kerchner publicly argued that the courts have an obligation to make a decision on Obama's eligibility.

He wrote, "The federal courts and judges are committing treason to the Constitution by not taking jurisdiction and getting to the merits in the various cases before them regarding the Article II eligibility clause question for Obama."

He said his basis for such a statement is the opinion of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall, who wrote in an 1821 case, Cohens vs. Virginia:

"It is most true that this court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one."
Kerchner added, "The … judges in the … cases should simply read the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Marshall from the past and take jurisdiction of the constitutional question of the Article II eligibility clause in the Constitution and proceed to a fact finding hearing and trial on the merits.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama's persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and the appointment of myriad lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation. While his supporters cite an online version of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

The ultimate questions remain unaddressed to date: Is Obama a natural born citizen, and, if so, why hasn't documentation been provided? And, of course, if he is not, what does it mean to the 2008 election or the U.S. Constitution if it is revealed that there has been a violation?

WND has reported on another case, being heard by U.S. District Judge David Carter in California. He released a ruling noting the government's motion to dismiss was being taken "under submission." But he also approved a final calendar for the case to be proceeding in his court.

Under the schedule ordered by the judge the final pretrial conference is scheduled Jan. 11, 2010, while the jury trial is Jan. 26, 2010.

WND also has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113651

HighlanderJuan and TexasBorn, I read your comments on the OCRegister article. What immediately comes to mind is being a glutton for punishment, along with:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." - the Lord Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7:6

But I am amazed at how you have apparently drawn alterego58 out of his corner and into the center of the room for an insult-free, level-headed discussion. It just goes to show what men of good will can do with the truth in a dark place. I couldn't have brought about that kind of diplomatic rapprochement.

Have you considered volunteering for conflict resolution duty in Middle East negotiations with Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Mus|im Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HighlanderJuan and TexasBorn, I read your comments on the OCRegister article. What immediately comes to mind is being a glutton for punishment, along with:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." - the Lord Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7:6

But I am amazed at how you have apparently drawn alterego58 out of his corner and into the center of the room for an insult-free, level-headed discussion. It just goes to show what men of good will can do with the truth in a dark place. I couldn't have brought about that kind of diplomatic rapprochement.

Have you considered volunteering for conflict resolution duty in Middle East negotiations with Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Mus|im Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Minuteman, you are right, I am a glutton for punishment I find it a challenge to scope out if folks are really as radical as they initially appear and often they really aren't. They have just be drawn into the Obamabot crowd. Muslims are an entirely different story. They are wired completely different and one must be a true expert to attempt a reasonable negotiation with them.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HighlanderJuan and TexasBorn, I read your comments on the OCRegister article. What immediately comes to mind is being a glutton for punishment, along with:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." - the Lord Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7:6

But I am amazed at how you have apparently drawn alterego58 out of his corner and into the center of the room for an insult-free, level-headed discussion. It just goes to show what men of good will can do with the truth in a dark place. I couldn't have brought about that kind of diplomatic rapprochement.

Have you considered volunteering for conflict resolution duty in Middle East negotiations with Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Mus|im Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Very funny, MinuteMan. One of my six ex-wives told me I could cut to the chase faster than anyone she had dated.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HighlanderJuan and TexasBorn, I read your comments on the OCRegister article. What immediately comes to mind is being a glutton for punishment, along with:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." - the Lord Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7:6

But I am amazed at how you have apparently drawn alterego58 out of his corner and into the center of the room for an insult-free, level-headed discussion. It just goes to show what men of good will can do with the truth in a dark place. I couldn't have brought about that kind of diplomatic rapprochement.

Have you considered volunteering for conflict resolution duty in Middle East negotiations with Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Mus|im Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Very funny, MinuteMan. One of my six ex-wives told me I could cut to the chase faster than anyone she had dated.

SIX ex wives?????? Wow!

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

HighlanderJuan and TexasBorn, I read your comments on the OCRegister article. What immediately comes to mind is being a glutton for punishment, along with:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." - the Lord Jesus Christ, in Matthew 7:6

But I am amazed at how you have apparently drawn alterego58 out of his corner and into the center of the room for an insult-free, level-headed discussion. It just goes to show what men of good will can do with the truth in a dark place. I couldn't have brought about that kind of diplomatic rapprochement.

Have you considered volunteering for conflict resolution duty in Middle East negotiations with Iran, Syria, the Saudis, the Mus|im Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Very funny, MinuteMan. One of my six ex-wives told me I could cut to the chase faster than anyone she had dated.

SIX ex wives?????? Wow!

Maybe it was only five. I forget.

The Orange County Register has another Orly Taitz article.

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Orange County Register
Friday, October 23, 2009
Orly Taitz: natural-born litigator
O.C. attorney has gained a national following for her efforts challenging Obama's citizenship.

By MARTIN WISCKOL
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tait ... izen-state

When you see Orly Taitz deliver her impassioned, Eastern European-accented arguments on Fox News or CNN or YouTube, you're getting just the first hint of the outsized features of her life.

She was born in the USSR, then lived in Israel and Romania before getting married and immigrating to the U.S. The mother and former swimsuit model established a successful dentistry business with two Orange County offices – then, in her spare time, studied law and passed the state bar.

Her growing national notoriety is the result of her long-shot legal efforts to have Barack Obama removed as president, claiming that he is not a natural-born citizen. While the rumor had previously percolated on the political fringes of the Internet with a couple of failed lawsuits, Taitz's relentless filings and colorful personality have raised the visibility of the claim and led to her being dubbed "Queen of the Birthers."

She has presented the courts with two documents that say Obama was born in Kenya. She's yet to get any of her suits to trial, but some experts have opined outside the courtroom that the documents are forgeries. One, for example, bears the phrase "Republic of Kenya" – and is dated eight months before Kenya became a republic.

Taitz is undeterred.

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Rest of the long article is here:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tait ... izen-state

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

The Orange County Register has another Orly Taitz article.

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Orange County Register
Friday, October 23, 2009
Orly Taitz: natural-born litigator
O.C. attorney has gained a national following for her efforts challenging Obama's citizenship.

By MARTIN WISCKOL
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tait ... izen-state

When you see Orly Taitz deliver her impassioned, Eastern European-accented arguments on Fox News or CNN or YouTube, you're getting just the first hint of the outsized features of her life.

She was born in the USSR, then lived in Israel and Romania before getting married and immigrating to the U.S. The mother and former swimsuit model established a successful dentistry business with two Orange County offices – then, in her spare time, studied law and passed the state bar.

Her growing national notoriety is the result of her long-shot legal efforts to have Barack Obama removed as president, claiming that he is not a natural-born citizen. While the rumor had previously percolated on the political fringes of the Internet with a couple of failed lawsuits, Taitz's relentless filings and colorful personality have raised the visibility of the claim and led to her being dubbed "Queen of the Birthers."

She has presented the courts with two documents that say Obama was born in Kenya. She's yet to get any of her suits to trial, but some experts have opined outside the courtroom that the documents are forgeries. One, for example, bears the phrase "Republic of Kenya" – and is dated eight months before Kenya became a republic.

Taitz is undeterred.

...

Rest of the long article is here:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tait ... izen-state

Dr. Taitz may not have the polished demeanor of a seasoned courtroom attorney but she has guts....and sometimes guts is enough....

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Dr. Taitz may not have the polished demeanor of a seasoned courtroom attorney but she has guts....and sometimes guts is enough....

Did you read that in the article?